Disney worker accused of ...

[Conservative Hippie]

have you actually have people here on the DIS ask you to get them in . I have known of a few situations where some of the DIS members have banded together and given away tickets, points to stay and money to help out another Dis'er. Thank God for people like that. They have really made a difference in someones life

(by the way the snooty is not directed at you personally, it's directed at the friends comment)

I had someone else on a non-Disney related forum start PMing me asking all sorts of questions about helping her plan her Disney vacation. In the end, it turned out she had read a comment where I mentioned my husband working for Disney, she knew I had a pass, and she was trying to butter me up to let her in. I was a member of the DIS a long time before DH started working for Disney (I used to hang out on the Community Board a lot, but took a break and now I'm back), and I made a vow when I first learned about the pass that I would never let anyone I met on the internet in under my pass. I do a lot of internet socializing and I had to draw a line. :-/ I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but through our church we have provided Disney days for several people who could never had afforded to go otherwise - people we know and feel comfortable using a "friends and family" privilege for.

 

[Conservative Hippie]

That might be what they were referring to. It's been a few years, so my memory is a bit hazy on it. And the info on the back of the pass is so vague, that does not mean that the person just knows automatically that is the rule. I would hate for someone to get termed just because their manager told them wrong.

It would suck but it can still happen. I believe you are supposed to read the rules yourself on the Hub under the Complimentary Admission tab.

 

[DaParkers]

do not think for a minute that they dont check things out BEFORE they make a arrest...OCSD work on disney property and wdw helps with their budget for that area so OCSD wont just jump to arrest a wdw employee for no reason...that had to have found SOMETHING.

You're very naive. People get arrested all the time without probable cause. If someone says that you assaulted them and they have a bruise, there's a great chance you'll be arrested. They'll let the courts determine your guilt or innocence.

 

[FireDancer]

You're very naive. People get arrested all the time without probable cause. If someone says that you assaulted them and they have a bruise, there's a great chance you'll be arrested. They'll let the courts determine your guilt or innocence.

This is especially true in certain cases like rape, domestic violence, and child abuse. In some jurisdictions the police must remove a husband from a home if their wife even accuses them of assault. No proof needed.

Just as no one deserves the be raped no one deserves to be falsely accused. Sadly the second part is often ignored. At face value this doesn't pass the sniff test but if it is true he should be punished, not Disney. Going after the money instead of justice is always fishy to me so I'll wait to see if Disney is sued.

 

[postage stamp]

This is especially true in certain cases like rape, domestic violence, and child abuse. In some jurisdictions the police must remove a husband from a home if their wife even accuses them of assault. No proof needed.

Just as no one deserves the be raped no one deserves to be falsely accused. Sadly the second part is often ignored. At face value this doesn't pass the sniff test but if it is true he should be punished, not Disney. Going after the money instead of justice is always fishy to me so I'll wait to see if Disney is sued.

Amen to that!

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

This is an odd case all the way around. A lot of her story simply does not make sense to me. That does not mean it didn't happen, but it's pinging my radar big time.

I know this gets into some pretty dangerous territory, but at what point is somebody responsible? I'm not saying that a woman ever asks to be assaulted, but if it truly went down the way she said and she was not drugged, where is her responsibility? She claims that he tried to disrobe her and then she let him stay there and fell asleep. And she didn't report it until after he got her into Epcot. That makes no sense to me. Again, not saying that she asked for it, but it still feels like she made some pretty stupid choices if this is true. It almost seems like she cared more about getting in to Disney for free than her safety or her children's safety.

I don't think the story sounds odd from the booking/signing in perspective. We recently went down there on a friend/family discount and used our names to book. The only time that she wouldn't have been able to is if he booked it under his name and not hers or if he used his discount. (There is a different discount if hte CM actually stays in the hotel, but that is not what it sounds like). And as far as the signing in... Regardless of the rules, it is feasible that he signed her in and then later left. After all, if he truly is assautling women, I highly doubt that he cares about the Maingate rules.

 

[livie1205]

You're very naive. People get arrested all the time without probable cause. If someone says that you assaulted them and they have a bruise, there's a great chance you'll be arrested. They'll let the courts determine your guilt or innocence.

.......nevermind.....yeh I am naive. This is NOT the way it works.I am sitting in starbucks with my friend who is a state public defender (who sees alot of this),we do not have all the facts so I will wait until they come out to trash this girl for daring to have a beloved CM arrested.There IS a investigation BEFORE someone is arrested,they would have talked to him ALOT.We have no clue what he said in his interview and until we do it is best to not "take a side".

 

[ccgirl]

.......nevermind.....yeh I am naive. This is NOT the way it works.I am sitting in starbucks with my friend who is a state public defender (who sees alot of this),we do not have all the facts so I will wait until they come out to trash this girl for daring to have a beloved CM arrested.There IS a investigation BEFORE someone is arrested,they would have talked to him ALOT.We have no clue what he said in his interview and until we do it is best to not "take a side".

And I have many family members in law enforcement. People get "arrested" or taken into "protective custody" many times before the investigation as well. Especially in the case of sexual or domestic assault. Do you really think they perform an investigation before each and every person is arrested?

 

[DaParkers]

.......nevermind.....yeh I am naive. This is NOT the way it works.I am sitting in starbucks with my friend who is a state public defender (who sees alot of this),we do not have all the facts so I will wait until they come out to trash this girl for daring to have a beloved CM arrested.There IS a investigation BEFORE someone is arrested,they would have talked to him ALOT.We have no clue what he said in his interview and until we do it is best to not "take a side".

No one took a side. You are not the only person that knows law enforcement. One of my best friends is a cop and my cousin is a detective. But, you don't need to know law enforcement, just have common sense. You make it sound as if a Disney CM is special because of funding Disney provides. Are you saying that the OCSD's services are affected by Disney's money? That's what it sounds like. Common sense says that it's better to have a wrongly accused man than to have a rapist free while you investigate. Of coursevthey do a SIMPLE preliminary "investigation" that could be all of 20 minutes. She called the police Wednesday. He was arrested Wednesday. How much of an investigation do you think was conducted? I don't know if he is guilty or innocent, nor do I care. I just spoke on the notion that there must be a smoking gun in order to arrest him. Generally speaking, if the police were that diligent in their investigations, there wouldn't be so many acquittals. They must eliminate the threat as soon as possible.

 

[fairestoneofall]

the whole story is odd. i'm not sure what to think of it. if she really was assaulted, she certainly made several bad judgment calls (i'm not saying she deserved it--nobody deserves it). but she certainly wasn't making smart choices.

however, i don't see how she could sue Disney. i don't see how Disney is liable, in this instance. i could see going after the individual, but not getting a big settlement from Disney.

 

[DaParkers]

.......nevermind.....yeh I am naive. This is NOT the way it works.I am sitting in starbucks with my friend who is a state public defender (who sees alot of this),we do not have all the facts so I will wait until they come out to trash this girl for daring to have a beloved CM arrested.There IS a investigation BEFORE someone is arrested,they would have talked to him ALOT.We have no clue what he said in his interview and until we do it is best to not "take a side".

Read this and tell me what kind of "Investigation" you think the police did before arresting this man.

Tigger back to work after trial
Earlier this year, a Walt Disney World employee was charged with fondling a 13-year-old girl, when dressed as Tigger at the park. Michael Chartrand, has recently been acquitted, coming back to work on August 15. The Big Cartoon DataBase reports that Chartrand says he doesn't expect to be "back in the employee rotation for at least two weeks." Because of Chartrand's arrest and prosecution, Disney has introduced new guidelines for costumed characters.

The trial for Chartrand took three-days, and only one hour of jury deliberation, to find Chartrand not guilty. Chartrand's defense attorney probably set a first in the history of world courts, when he wore a Tigger costume in protection of his client. The unusual process was an attempt to show jurors the difficulty of seeing and moving around in the outfit.

 

[SaraJayne]

.......nevermind.....yeh I am naive. This is NOT the way it works.I am sitting in starbucks with my friend who is a state public defender (who sees alot of this),we do not have all the facts so I will wait until they come out to trash this girl for daring to have a beloved CM arrested.There IS a investigation BEFORE someone is arrested,they would have talked to him ALOT.We have no clue what he said in his interview and until we do it is best to not "take a side".

I have been a vocal critic of Disney in the past and will continue to do so when it warrants.

However, I feel Disney has no liability in this case.

So for me, it has nothing to do with feeling Disney can do no wrong.

 

[wvjules]

No proof really needed (to have the warrant issued) all she needs to do is sign/swear affidavit saying that she was assulted/raped by him and a warrant will be issued. Then it is up to the courts to prove innocent or guily

It is up to the court to prove GUILT.

No one is on the Disney bandwagon as far as I can see. They're on the "the woman is nuts" bandwagon.

 

[livie1205]

No one took a side. You are not the only person that knows law enforcement. One of my best friends is a cop and my cousin is a detective. But, you don't need to know law enforcement, just have common sense. You make it sound as if a Disney CM is special because of funding Disney provides. Are you saying that the OCSD's services are affected by Disney's money? That's what it sounds like. Common sense says that it's better to have a wrongly accused man than to have a rapist free while you investigate. Of coursevthey do a SIMPLE preliminary "investigation" that could be all of 20 minutes. She called the police Wednesday. He was arrested Wednesday. How much of an investigation do you think was conducted? I don't know if he is guilty or innocent, nor do I care. I just spoke on the notion that there must be a smoking gun in order to arrest him. Generally speaking, if the police were that diligent in their investigations, there wouldn't be so many acquittals. They must eliminate the threat as soon as possible.

Does anyone here know if the guy confessed during his interview? the point is we DO NOT know..what is the harm of waiting to see...this JUST happened.IF he did confess that could have been the reason for the fast arrest.

 

[DaParkers]

Does anyone here know if the guy confessed during his interview? the point is we DO NOT know..what is the harm of waiting to see...this JUST happened.IF he did confess that could have been the reason for the fast arrest.

Exactly! You said that there had to be something there, not me. Just like he "could've" confessed, he "could've" vehemently denied it or he "could've" made no statement at all and lawyered up. I don't know, nor do I claim to.

 

[livie1205]

Exactly! You said that there had to be something there, not me. Just like he "could've" confessed, he "could've" vehemently denied it. I don't know, nor do I claim to.

sorry but if he had never contacted this girl against policy and been in her room he would not even had been arrested...HE got himself in this mess by trying to use his job for a "hook up" and now he is being looked at for rape,if he had never had contact with this women they would have nothing...the DO have at least something on him more then just getting her a room...none of know what YET.I am not going to argue the point,I will comment when they come out with the rest of the facts.

 

[DaParkers]

sorry but if he had never contacted this girl against policy and been in her room he would not even had been arrested...HE got himself in this mess by trying to use his job for a "hook up" and now he is being looked at for rape,if he had never had contact with this women they would have nothing...the DO have at least something on him more then just getting her a room...none of know what YET.I am not going to argue the point,I will comment when they come out with the rest of the facts.

Enough. I am not the only person that replied to your post, yet I am the only one that you reply to. The outcome of this will not change anything that I've posted. I hope you're right and this man has not been falsely accused.

 

[horseshowmom]

I agree with the majority. As a victim of molestation as a child, I am one of the first to jump to the defense of a potential victim, but her story is shocking to me. She goes to sleep with a man in her room that she barely knows, wakes up to find him trying to take her clothes off, goes back to sleep again, has another incident, and lets him sign her into Epcot the next day has me shaking my head. If she didn't care enough to protect herself, she should have cared about protecting her children. He may be guilty, but she should be charged with child endangerment as well.

 

[tasha99]

People who are roofied often do not remember everything that went on during the incident, as would be expected from being drugged.

I'm not saying it's what definitely happened, i am saying that victims don't always think clearly right after an assault and her circumstances would have lead to a great deal of stress. How would she explain not going to EPCOT to her kids? Imagine waking up to 2 thrilled children and then trying to explain how you may have been date raped while they were sleeping in the same room. Really, what could anyone possibly say to those 2 kids that would keep them from crying and wouldn't make an already horrible morning incredibly worse?


Plenty of weird to go around without jumping all over someone who might be a victim... I know I don't want the bad mojo of doing it.

This.

 

[livie1205]

I agree with the majority. As a victim of molestation as a child, I am one of the first to jump to the defense of a potential victim, but her story is shocking to me. She goes to sleep with a man in her room that she barely knows, wakes up to find him trying to take her clothes off, goes back to sleep again, has another incident, and lets him sign her into Epcot the next day has me shaking my head. If she didn't care enough to protect herself, she should have cared about protecting her children. He may be guilty, but she should be charged with child endangerment as well.

I DO AGREE WITH THIS....her being stupid does not mean its ok to be raped but she should have her fitness as a mother looked at...she put her kids in danger.