Disney Vacation Club adjusts 2010 Vacation Points charts

[december14disney]

I am really disappointed in this change. This really hurts people who have a finite number of points and purchased those points thinking they would stay 5-6 nights at specific resorts during specific times. For example we have enough points to stay 5 nights the first week of June at HHI in a 1BR alternating every other year in a Studio. Well all of a sudden beginning in 2010 we no longer have enough points to do this. We had similar scenarios setup for our other two contracts and they are no longer doable either. Thank you DVC for nothing.

You know what is behind this - DVC sees there are a number of folks in similar situations like us and they thought well if we make these changes this will force those people to do additional add-ons. Well I can tell you now DVC will not be getting anymore of money in add-ons. We'll just reduce are stays, those costing WDW more money that we won't spend in meals, tickets, souvenirs, etc. In fact, I may even just sell my contracts and purchase a Marriott timeshare.

This really makes me very upset .

I agree with this 100%. Disney saw the flooding of smaller resales contracts on the market and needed o do something about it. And this is what they did. Fiance and I planned to do 3 trips a year with our points. Flower and Garden, MNSSHP and MVMCP. Cant now. Per week is too expensive.

Also---dont tell me raising ALL savanna view room points and then telling me "well the values went down in points" is fair. Apples to oranges is what that is.

 

[logan115]

Given the additional points that some people will now need, I wonder if DVC will make any kind of exceptions for allowing additional point transfers or banking/borrowing for the next year or two ? Haven't bought DVC yet (not as sure that I will now either), and certainly don't know the ins and outs as well as others here, but would think that DVC would have to allow people that have already the points they THOUGHT they needed already a chance to transfer in additional points based on a hgher amount of points needed now.

Also feels a bit like a game of chicken that DVC is playing as well. The amount of resales on the market now seem to be much higher than normal (good for me as I'd buy in thru resale if at all), and DVC has two choices : let the resales keep going at lower prices (supply and demand), or buy them back via ROFR (cash out of their pocket). Maybe they're also betting that current owners will snap up some of the resale contracts, increasing prices, and closing the spread between resale and buying direct thru DVC ?

Only time will tell.

Chris

 

[glennbo123]

I just noticed that with the 2010 point charts there is even more of a disparity between weekday and weekend points in a Grand Villa, at AKV at least. They reduced the weekdays and increased the weekends. This is completely opposite from what they're doing for the other sized villas.

Pardon me for responding to my own post!

On the AKV point charts, it looks like all of the weekday points are about 66-67% of the weekend point requirements, including a Grand Villa. So, that's the direction the Grand Villa change had to go in order to make it consistent.

 

[erionm]

Don't feel bad I cannot find it either. I was even lookin' for the 2010 before I went to the Dis. I go clear my cookies and see if that helps because the only thing I pull up is 2009.

Denise in MI

The 2010 Point Charts were pulled down around 8pm last night.

 

[dis-happy]

We have a 100 point contract. We need(ed) 205 points to take our kids and parents to AKV in a 2BR standard for spring break 2010. This was planned since we bought into DVC back in September. It was going to be our first trip home. DH and I then realized that instead of banking 2009 points, we could take a trip on 95 of those, bank 5, then use ALL of 2010 and ALL of 2011 to take the spring break trip.

Well, now that we have a 95-point trip planned for June 2009, with non-refundable airfare, DVC takes our plans and flushes them down the toilet! We will not have enough points to take my parents along in 2010 since it will now cost 230 points. The ONLY way this can happen is IF we are able to get a studio in June (there are waitlists for some already) instead of our 1BR.

I know that DVC didn't do anything illegal, but for something that once made me so excited to think about, it now makes me want to vomit. All those plans, the look on my dad's face when we told him we were taking him to Disney World.... all those things that make DVC ownership so special...all reduced to a big pile of poo in a blink of an eye.

I would have been much less upset if they had decided to announce the change now, but not implement it until 2011. That way, I could have banked my points instead of using them. Now, I have to pray that a studio will be available for June or I am out about $700 in non-refundable airfare because I am not telling my parents that we can no longer afford to take them.

You can spend closer to $300., rent 30 points from someone, and have them transferred into your account for that one time. I've done that to complete a reservation on our small contract during a high demand time.

 

[dis-happy]

Someone posted the plus/minus points differences for AKV and one thing that stuck out to me:

nearly 100% of the time, it's the 1 b/r reservation that will pay more in points, whether by the weekday, the week, or the season. Wonder if they are planning to add more sleeper chairs in the 1 b/r's, making them all easier to sleep 5, and now are punishing us for that ability.

 

[Inkmahm]

I agree with this 100%. Disney saw the flooding of smaller resales contracts on the market and needed o do something about it. And this is what they did. Fiance and I planned to do 3 trips a year with our points. Flower and Garden, MNSSHP and MVMCP. Cant now. Per week is too expensive.

Also---dont tell me raising ALL savanna view room points and then telling me "well the values went down in points" is fair. Apples to oranges is what that is.

We do those exact 3 trips each year and will be saving an average of 12 points per year with the new charts. We stay weekends though and not full weeks.

 

[Inkmahm]

You can spend closer to $300., rent 30 points from someone, and have them transferred into your account for that one time. I've done that to complete a reservation on our small contract during a high demand time.

Me, too. To have enough points for a big family gathering I had 120 points transferred to me a couple years ago. Transfers work great for the times when you need extra points for a single year but don't need them for future years (where an add on would make more sense.)

 

[aurorafan]

Well, it will work out better for us if we take the Jan. 2010 trip we just started talking about last night. The kids have 2 teacher workdays at the end of the month, so we were thinking about going down Thurs. afternoon and leaving Tues. morning. The trip with the 2010 charts is 108 for a value 1-bdrm. AKV, or 154/1 bdrm. SV (the kids really want SV ). With the 2009 charts it would have been 112/1 bdrm. value or 159 1 bdrm. SV.

However our Dec. Sun.-Thurs. trip we just took was 80 pts. 1 bdrm. value and would be 90 pts. under the 2010 charts, so I see why people are upset. I guess it's fortunate that DH and I never sat down and decided on a specific unit at a specific resort at a specific time of year. We bought what we could afford at the time (160 AKV) and planned to add on in round numbers thereafter. We quickly discovered that we probably aren't going to take a specific vacation at a specific time, so this change isn't all bad for us. In fact, personally I wasn't looking forward to having to take our week long vacation in the summer--I prefer trying to work in long weekends when it's cooler and less crowded. But those were not as practical for us given our small number of points--now they will be more within our reach .

I do feel for those who bought with the specifics in mind though, and now find themselves with not enough points. Hopefully they won't up the minimum add-on anywhere else besides BLT!

 

[Doctor P]

OK. I'm not sure how I feel about this (proposed?) change overall. I can tell you, however, how the reservation I made this week and the reservation I plan to make next week would have been different if all of it were to be under the new system:

2 Studios at BCV for Saturday December 19, 2009: 46 (old); 40 (new)
1 Studio, 1 2BR at OKW for Dec. 20-26: 320 (old); 327 (new)
Ultimate intended: 1 Studio, 1 2BR at OKW Dec. 19-26: 397 (old); 389 (new)

HH: 2BR December 26-January 4: 235 (old); 231(new)

However, if the chart changes for 2010, because of the way the dates fall for New Years Day, I could benefit a little for my NY reservation.

Under the old system, my HH reservation would cost 235 points. In this transition year, the reservation would only cost 226 points due to the lower cost of the weekend dates in January.

So, on balance since we normally check in on Saturdays and stay a week or so, the changes will generally be very minimal for us. This, I know, will not be true for a lot of other people.

 

[december14disney]

We do those exact 3 trips each year and will be saving an average of 12 points per year with the new charts. We stay weekends though and not full weeks.

We check in on Sun and leave Fri. I guess we will have to change how we do things. I guess im just selfish and feel like..I just spent 16k I shouldnt have to change.

 

[photobob]

I don't know what the average contract is. I have 180 points. I won't be able to stay as many days as I have in the past. If I don't stay as long I won't be spending as much money there.

 

[dis-happy]

You know what else is totally snarky? The timing....

Last day to do a smaller add-on at BLT: Jan. 14th

Add in the 7 day rescinsion period: brings you to Jan 21st.

Date the new points charts are released: after close of business on the 21st.

No way to cancel (or change you points number) now if you don't like the new chart.



I am SO GLAD we didn't do that BLT add-on. We should have fit the profile of people who purchased, I had the cash, but for whatever reason decided to hold back.


This debacle is going to hurt Grand CA sales too. People who are thinking of buying DVC are going to do an internet search, find the DIS, and get scared away. I know I wouldn't have purchased initially without the information gained here.

 

[cpdwiz]

Ok...So i printed some of the new 2010 point charts, and compared them to the 2009 dvc program.....

Our trip in May is as follows:

Wed: AK Studio Savanna
Thurs-Sat: BWV, Studio Standard...

Total for our May trip NOW is 76 points...Under the new 2010 chart, it would be 70 points, saving us 6 points......

Our next family trip is May 2010....That would cost us 225 points as of 2009 chart...Under the 2010 chart, its 224, saving us 1 point.....

So it seems to benefit us?? I guess if you are staying a week it works out...If you are a Thurs-Sun person, then it might hurt some?

 

[Cindaddy]

You know what else is totally snarky? The timing....

Last day to do a smaller add-on at BLT: Jan. 14th

Add in the 7 day recission period: brings you to Jan 21st.

Date the new points charts are released: after close of business on the 21st.

No way to cancel (or change you points number) now if you don't like the new chart.



I am SO GLAD we didn't do that BLT add-on. We should have fit the profile of people who purchased, I had the cash, but for whatever reason decided to hold back.


This debacle is going to hurt Grand CA sales too. People who are thinking of buying DVC are going to do an internet search, find the DIS, and get scared away. I know I wouldn't have purchased initially without the information gained here.

I'm confused about this. I've seen the date of January 15th for requiring 200 points, but I got offered 160 at BLT on January 19th. Not sure what's going on there. We settled on 190 which leaves me enough for a 10 day studio with a MK view every year (even with the new points). Not sure how I was able to come in under the minimum points.

 

[dis-happy]

PS. Hi Mike! Haven't seen you around in a long time.... Glad to hear that some people are saving points at least.

 

[dzorn]

If they are going to change the chart for 2010 they need to have them up by 1/25/09 9 am EST since that is when 1/1/2010 can first be booked.

bookwormde

I don't agree with that because people could borrow some of their 2010 points to 2009 leaving what they thought was the amount needed in 2010 and now find they will be short.

Denise in MI

 

[Towncrier]

I missed the initial announcement. Does anyone still have access to the numbers. I am curious because we always do 12 night stays to minimize the impact of expensive weekends. It seems to me that we'll be one of those that is negatively impacted by the change, but until I see the point charts I won't know for certain.

 

[snappy]

Well, this just doesn't make my day. I'm a guy who stays 8 nights in a studio arriving Thursday and check out Friday of the following week. My vacation habits will now cost me 14 more points for the year. 14 points I don't have btw.

Maybe it will be time to stay only 7 nights. Not a happy camper. Or should I say, Not a happy DVC'r.

I will be doing the same, shave a day off and stay elsewhere. . . likely offsite and spending time at Universal and elsewhere.

 

[Laurabearz]

I am really disappointed in this change. This really hurts people who have a finite number of points and purchased those points thinking they would stay 5-6 nights at specific resorts during specific times. For example we have enough points to stay 5 nights the first week of June at HHI in a 1BR alternating every other year in a Studio. Well all of a sudden beginning in 2010 we no longer have enough points to do this. We had similar scenarios setup for our other two contracts and they are no longer doable either. Thank you DVC for nothing.

You know what is behind this - DVC sees there are a number of folks in similar situations like us and they thought well if we make these changes this will force those people to do additional add-ons. Well I can tell you now DVC will not be getting anymore of money in add-ons. We'll just reduce are stays, those costing WDW more money that we won't spend in meals, tickets, souvenirs, etc. In fact, I may even just sell my contracts and purchase a Marriott timeshare.

This really makes me very upset .

Our Hilton Head trips are messed up too. They went from 231 points to 255 :-( If we stayed the whole week the points went from 330 to 336... So no savings anyway you look at it for us.

You know what else is totally snarky? The timing....

Last day to do a smaller add-on at BLT: Jan. 14th

Add in the 7 day recission period: brings you to Jan 21st.

Date the new points charts are released: after close of business on the 21st.

No way to cancel (or change you points number) now if you don't like the new chart.



I am SO GLAD we didn't do that BLT add-on. We should have fit the profile of people who purchased, I had the cash, but for whatever reason decided to hold back.


This debacle is going to hurt Grand CA sales too. People who are thinking of buying DVC are going to do an internet search, find the DIS, and get scared away. I know I wouldn't have purchased initially without the information gained here.

I also thnk DVC should have told us this year for a 2011 change.