disney trying to get back the genZ boys

I guess the best Disney way I can explain it to you is the expectations people have going to Disney World or Disneyland during their big anniversaries vs. other years. The marketing and the hype is different, Disney World's 50th was a let down compared to what they advertised, the only reason it got a pass was because of Covid but people are still upset about all the things that didn't come into being that was shown. Wish was their 100th anniversary movie, what was supposed to be their shining star (pun intended) in their media portfolio as well as showing off a new animation style that would blow us away. When that failed, yeah, people were disappointed maybe even outrageously so. But I don't think that's silly, I think that's human.

Well, it's one thing to advertise something that you just don't have. If Disney advertised a specific parade on specific dates, but then it wasn't running, that's a little different than if you just didn't like the parade when you saw it. They marketed Wish as a movie. If you paid your money you saw a movie. The rest of is subjective, so of course the marketing will lean into the positive.
 

No good movie ever started out with market research where the 'creative team' focused on giving people what they want. Young men are a pretty easy segment. John Wick is a good example, although not really Disney appropriate. But, no love interest to be saved. Just a guy who is avenging the killing of his dog and theft of his car. It's a multi billion dollar franchise. And it's such a simple concept.
When I was younger, I loved Indiana Jones. It wasn't that he was relatable, or that he saved a damsel in distress. But, because he had a whip. That's really all it was.
I think Disney is overthinking this. Not that it's easy to be creative. But, it makes it much harder when you are trying to be creative based on the ideas of the overall public. I'd like to see them throw out all the market research that they've gathered and start over from scratch. Who knows though. I've been wrong before.
 
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I'm Gen Z, not Gen X, so take that for what it is - but most of my Gen X friends, their Gen Z kids, including the women of those groups, pretty universally like the same Disney movies I do. At no point do we even think about heroes or heroism, macho men or strong women, etc - we want to see a fun movie, an action movie, a well crafted animated movie, have a good story, and a good ending. Toy Story, Bugs Life, Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, Up, Moana, Pirates of the Caribbean (1), and Disney had a great run of live-action sports movies: Invincible, Miracle, McFarland USA, Remember the Titans...all examples of movies that my friends and relatives of both sexes all enjoy.

Two of the biggest problems I have with Disney's movies of late are Sequel-itis, and inauthentic or forced social messaging. Way too many sequels, many of which are just mailed in. On the social messaging front, the problem in my opinion isn't trying to incorporate stronger female characters, show more racial inclusion, represent more LGBT characters, etc - it's that it feels like they tried too hard to make that a point of the movies. If you want those messages to get across, make them feel authentic and real, not forced by some mandate, aka A primary character who just happens to be black or gay or female or Asian, without that aspect of their identity being a driving part of the plot. Too many more recent efforts feel inauthentic or forced and make something that shouldn't even be an issue FEEL like an issue. There was such outrage over Lightyear from some conservatives, and yet a gay couple in Zootopia seemed to not draw any outrage at all.

I think I get the comments about strong female characters at the expense of male characters - I can't see too many people having any issue with strong female characters or even male characters being helped or saved by female characters...but I do see a few examples where the female characters are significantly smarter, stronger, and more in control while male characters are clumsy, stupid, or oafish - in those situations, it's not bringing up female characters to be EQUALLY capable to men, but making them clearly superior to men, which could make it a less likeable movie for younger men. Strong female leads are in some of the biggest hits and favorite movies of a vast majority of male audiences for decades - think Sigourney Weaver in Aliens, Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2, Uma Thurman in Kill Bill, just to name a few. Most men I know love those films and have no problem with the strong female lead.
 
Phil Collins isn't a pop artist and while I love the Tarzan soundtrack, I know A LOT of people dislike his music in that movie and Brother Bear.

Well, at a certain time, Phil/Genesis were definitely pop or "pop rock" anyway - just maybe not by the time that Tarzan came out. He was more likely to be on the Adult Contemporary charts by then. I do know some people who very much dislike his voice, but they are all crazy of course. 😉
 
Well, at a certain time, Phil/Genesis were definitely pop or "pop rock" anyway - just maybe not by the time that Tarzan came out. He was more likely to be on the Adult Contemporary charts by then. I do know some people who very much dislike his voice, but they are all crazy of course. 😉
Okay, let me rephrase my point then. There's a reason most of the movies that have critically acclaimed soundtracks were composed by people with musical theater experience. I feel like that direction would've suited Wish better.
 
Okay, let me rephrase my point then. There's a reason most of the movies that have critically acclaimed soundtracks were composed by people with musical theater experience. I feel like that direction would've suited Wish better.
I agree. The key difference being that Tarzan was not a musical. Phil wrote and performed the songs - the characters didn't sing them. Certain styles work better for certain things.
 
I think I get the comments about strong female characters at the expense of male characters - I can't see too many people having any issue with strong female characters or even male characters being helped or saved by female characters...but I do see a few examples where the female characters are significantly smarter, stronger, and more in control while male characters are clumsy, stupid, or oafish - in those situations, it's not bringing up female characters to be EQUALLY capable to men, but making them clearly superior to men, which could make it a less likeable movie for younger men. Strong female leads are in some of the biggest hits and favorite movies of a vast majority of male audiences for decades - think Sigourney Weaver in Aliens, Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2, Uma Thurman in Kill Bill, just to name a few. Most men I know love those films and have no problem with the strong female lead.

See, I don't see all these "clumsy, stupid, or oafish" male characters in movies at all. I mean, outside of a comic-relief sidekick or something. Maybe I'm just not watching the right movies.
 
Good movies need good guys and bad guys. There have not been enough new bad guys to make good movies lately. An adventure movie with no bad guy is just a travelogue, and no one wants to see that.
 




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