Disney Skyliner (Gondola Transportation System) Read Post 1 Now Open!

[DanBoris]

Wonder if he meant more entering and exiting the stations vs the actual cars .... b/c they could have people exit the gondolas and exit the stations on one side and then the cars come around the wheel and the people enter them coming in from the other side of the station, even though still same side of the actual cars

In the podcast they clearly liken the loading and unloading to the monorail where you have doors on either side, but I think this what just Jim misinterpreting what his source said. What you describe is how they would work, people unload on one side of the station and load on the other.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

In the podcast they clearly liken the loading and unloading to the monorail where you have doors on either side, but I think this what just Jim misinterpreting what his source said. What you describe is how they would work, people unload on one side of the station and load on the other.

ok, yeah, definitely think sometimes in these reporting you get a game of telephone at time in that it gets interpreted by a few people across the telling (so his source might have said it one way that he interpreted a different way, etc.) and not that anyone is flat out wrong/lying, just gets misinterpretted along the way

 

[joelkfla]

In the podcast they clearly liken the loading and unloading to the monorail where you have doors on either side, but I think this what just Jim misinterpreting what his source said. What you describe is how they would work, people unload on one side of the station and load on the other.

I'm wondering if Jim Hill also misinterpreted the "outsider from SF" to mean an outside consultant. In 2010, Disney hired Sam Lau, who was at the time a high executive at SF Muni and previously with Santa Clara Valley Transit (Silicon Valley), to fill the new position of VP of Transportation. I believe he's now in charge of HK Disneyland.

It's possible Lau brought in someone he knew from SF, but it's also possible that he himself was the "outsider."

 

[joelkfla]

I could see the cars having little screens in there with cartoons or rotating content like commercials or promos for upcoming things. But I wonder how many would zone out and possibly miss their stop.

There's only 1 station anyone could miss: Riviera. Everyone has to get off at all the other stations. And even at Riviera, the cars will slow down and the doors open.

 

[OSUZorba]

Modular doesn't really make sense, unless they make serious adjustments. At which point it would be cheaper and easier to just build a new line.

Individually powered cabins are a thing so that part isn't unreasonable. There are gondolas/ chair lifts that are heated, have tvs, have wifi, etc. There just isn't any indication of that from the pictures of the cabins. But that also doesn't mean they aren't adding it.

Modular construction can mean different things. You could say the gondola uses modular construction because modular pieces of been sent to the site and just bolted together. As opposed to building everything up on site.

That doesn't mean you could easily slap in an expansion, though.

 

[Spaceguy55]

A/C in the cabins is possible with a 12 volt system just like what is used in your car..the overhead wheels can be adapted to furnish the energy to run an altenator/power generator... that will run a small unit just like in your car.
I have a couple of the lastest Honda Hybrid cars and they will run the A/C for many minutes without the motor even coming on...just off the battery charge. The cabins will need a nice size battery but it's possible since it would only need to run off the battery for short periods of time while loading and unloading.
The technology is there , but whether or not they will pay for it is another question ?????

 

[DanBoris]

A/C in the cabins is possible with a 12 volt system just like what is used in your car..the overhead wheels can be adapted to furnish the energy to run an altenator/power generator... that will run a small unit just like in your car.
I have a couple of the lastest Honda Hybrid cars and they will run the A/C for many minutes without the motor even coming on...just off the battery charge. The cabins will need a nice size battery but it's possible since it would only need to run off the battery for short periods of time while loading and unloading.
The technology is there , but whether or not they will pay for it is another question ?????

I am not clear on what you think could run an alternator? In the station an alternator would not be needed since you can supply power directly to the car when you are in the station. Once you are out of the station there is nothing to turn the alternator.

 

[RRB]

A/C in the cabins is possible with a 12 volt system just like what is used in your car..the overhead wheels can be adapted to furnish the energy to run an altenator/power generator... that will run a small unit just like in your car.
I have a couple of the lastest Honda Hybrid cars and they will run the A/C for many minutes without the motor even coming on...just off the battery charge. The cabins will need a nice size battery but it's possible since it would only need to run off the battery for short periods of time while loading and unloading.
The technology is there , but whether or not they will pay for it is another question ?????

The AC compressor in a car is driven directly from the engine, not from a 12 volt battery. The electrical requirement to power an AC compressor would drain a battery in minutes. An AC system will require a 110 volt continuous power supply to work. Even an inverter from a battery would not last.

 

[OSUZorba]

A/C in the cabins is possible with a 12 volt system just like what is used in your car..the overhead wheels can be adapted to furnish the energy to run an altenator/power generator... that will run a small unit just like in your car.
I have a couple of the lastest Honda Hybrid cars and they will run the A/C for many minutes without the motor even coming on...just off the battery charge. The cabins will need a nice size battery but it's possible since it would only need to run off the battery for short periods of time while loading and unloading.
The technology is there , but whether or not they will pay for it is another question ?????

The wheels on this system don't turn when not in the station.

 

[middlechild]

Modular in the sense of each high speed rope as a module. Then, each leg is a module. Easy to add a new leg out to Animal Kingdom, as a new module to the system. The Skyliner system is an interconnection of modules between stations, easy enough (with enough money) to add a new leg to expand the system.

 

[joelkfla]

A/C in the cabins is possible with a 12 volt system just like what is used in your car..the overhead wheels can be adapted to furnish the energy to run an altenator/power generator... that will run a small unit just like in your car.
I have a couple of the lastest Honda Hybrid cars and they will run the A/C for many minutes without the motor even coming on...just off the battery charge. The cabins will need a nice size battery but it's possible since it would only need to run off the battery for short periods of time while loading and unloading.
The technology is there , but whether or not they will pay for it is another question ?????

The grip is fixed to the cable when the cabins are online; there are no turning wheels. The only time they're on wheels is while passing thru the stations.

The only system we know of that runs a/c off batteries is shut down for 10 hours every night, while the batteries are recharged.

The Emirates Airline in London, which uses supercapacitors, has been reported to not work very well.

 

[DanBoris]

The grip is fixed to the cable when the cabins are online; there are no turning wheels. The only time they're on wheels is while passing thru the stations.

The only system we know of that runs a/c off batteries is shut down for 10 hours every night, while the batteries are recharged.

The other system that uses supercapacitors has been reported to not work very well.

Good find on the hours of operation. The Disney system is routinely going to have to run longer then that.

 

[Spaceguy55]

The AC compressor in a car is driven directly from the engine, not from a 12 volt battery. The electrical requirement to power an AC compressor would drain a battery in minutes. An AC system will require a 110 volt continuous power supply to work. Even an inverter from a battery would not last.

I was referring to the system like in my hybrids..there is no direct mechanism from the engine, only power from the high output lithium battery, unlike a regular engine that uses a belt and pulley's connected to the engine directly for A/C ,lights..etc from the alternator which is 12 volts...110 is not needed for car A/C.... A 12 volt system is what would work for the gondola's.
I'm not sure the gondola's move along the cables on wheels or something else but that movement creates some energy that could possibly used for an energy source to power an A/C unit via a lithium
battery.

 

[joelkfla]

I'm not sure the gondola's move along the cables on wheels or something else but that movement creates some energy that could possibly used for an energy source to power an A/C unit via a lithium
battery.

But there is no movement along the cable. The cabins are attached to the cable and move with it. Both are moving at the same speed.

A single cable supplies both propulsion and support in this type of system. There are other systems where one cable provides propulsion, while one or 2 other stationary cables provide support, but this is a monocable system.

 

[Turn the Page]

The grip is fixed to the cable when the cabins are online; there are no turning wheels. The only time they're on wheels is while passing thru the stations.

The only system we know of that runs a/c off batteries is shut down for 10 hours every night, while the batteries are recharged.

The Emirates Airline in London, which uses supercapacitors, has been reported to not work very well.

Who cares how well the supercapacitors work. I want to know how well the flux capacitor works on that system.

 

[Spaceguy55]

I've seen systems that have 2 cables that would have 1 for the gripper and 1 for wheel/wheels to create energy to a power source..not sure but something like this

 

[joelkfla]

I've seen systems that have 2 cables that would have 1 for the gripper and 1 for wheel/wheels to create energy to a power source..not sure but something like thisView attachment 348400

Yes … read my reply 3 posts back. This is not that type of system.

 

[OSUZorba]

I've seen systems that have 2 cables that would have 1 for the gripper and 1 for wheel/wheels to create energy to a power source..not sure but something like thisView attachment 348400

That isn't what Disney is getting. But I'd think in that kind of system they could electrify the cables if they really wanted to.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Who cares how well the supercapacitors work. I want to know how well the flux capacitor works on that system.

and imagine all the people that now won't ride them when they hear they will go 88 miles per hour!!!!

 

[mom2rtk]

and imagine all the people that now won't ride them when they hear they will go 88 miles per hour!!!!

I'd probably be more likely to ride.