Disney Parks laying off 28,000 cast members

[Eric Smith]

I will be buying a ton of points if that happens.

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Want to make a $1 bet about whether this happens?

 

[Eric Smith]

There is a nightmare scenario for Disney DVC owners selling their points at 'below market' rates that forces them to burn cash to ROFR those points just imagine the result if 50K or so DVC members do this, The DVC price supports will collapse as Disney does not have the resources to absorb all those points. And of course Disney could not resist the urge to gouge the DVC members by maxing out the dues increase even though the resorts were closed for months.

Who in their right mind would sell below market value? You’d be leaving money on the table.
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I also think it’s incredibly shortsighted to sell out of DVC because you don’t like the changes to the parks due to a once in a century pandemic.

 

[New Mouse]

I won’t, don’t worry. I enjoy everything Disney does and will continue going to the parks on a monthly basis for years and years to come.

Thats honestly part of the reason why quality has dropped on so many things over the past decade or so.

 

[New Mouse]

Who in their right mind would sell below market value? You’d be leaving money on the table.
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I also think it’s incredibly shortsighted to sell out of DVC because you don’t like the changes to the parks due to a once in a century pandemic.

The bigger issue is that the dues and contract price are at some point going to outpace hotel rates. I remember not so long ago that DVC was advertised at 70% off rack rates...also keeping in mind that the bedrooms are generally inferior to the hotel side.

 

[jade1]

Fast forward to 2017 Marathon Weekend, We arrived to find our room reservation 'poofed' vanished into thin air, Had our paperwork but 'We cant accomodate you - have a magical day'

Thank Cthulu for those Marriott/Hilton points I had from business travel, Those and 2,500 bucks got me a grand villa at Marriott for the weekend. After that we immediately dumped our DVC points and hell will freeze over before we go back.

And what do you call Slinky Dog coaster,

What is an attraction and an entire Land @ford91explorer has never experienced-since it opened in 2018.

 

[New Mouse]

It’s in a whole land themed to toy story. It’s incredibly themed.

Incredibly is a very subjective word.

 

[Eric Smith]

Incredibly is a very subjective word.

It’s miles better than anything you’d find in a six flags.

 

[rteetz]

Thats honestly part of the reason why quality has dropped on so many things over the past decade or so.

I think that depends on each person and each area. No doubt some things have changed. However quality in many areas has improved. I will take SWGE over the backlot for example. I think in some instances food quality has improved as well but in others dropped. Its all subjective.

 

[mshanson3121]

Sure they would have, WDW has been the ATM for the Walt Disney company for a long time, These layoffs were long planned and the staff/shows they cut are never coming back in my opinion. They just cut 2 BILLION dollars of operating expense from the bottom line at WDW. Burbank's assumption is when Covid vaccine widely distributed people will flock to WDW because of the power of the BRAND just like they did before and they will for a while but they will soon realize Disney is now just like Six Flags some rides and that's it.

They don't realize that Disney parks were an artform meant to be EXPERIENCED and that was why there was layer upon layer of detail. Utilidors to keep people in the moment everything was about the EXPERIENCE of visiting a Disney park, Heck there were days I just spent wandering the park marvelling at how all the pieces fit together and how the pieces told a story.

All that's gone and aint never coming back with this crew in charge in Burbank.

The shows will definitely be back.

 

[rteetz]

The shows will definitely be back.

Most yes, there will likely be some casualties.

 

[mshanson3121]

Most yes, there will likely be some casualties.

Yes, I'm sure. But for him to say none of the shows are coming back, or won't be replaced with something else, I don't believe that for a second. To me, the question is mostly when will they be back. I do see that being quite awhile yet unfortunately.

 

[rteetz]

Yes, I'm sure. But for him to say none of the shows are coming back, or won't be replaced with something else, I don't believe that for a second. To me, the question is mostly when will they be back. I do see that being quite awhile yet unfortunately.

Josh D'Amaro said himself today that entertainment will return.

 

[jkh36619]

Its obvious you’re not a Disney fan, and have stated you will never be returning to Disney, so why are you clogging up a a Disney planning website forum with your anti-Disney sentiment? You’re not going to convince anyone here over to your viewpoint, you’ll just get the 1-2 lurkers who negatively post on all of these threads. I just don’t understand why people who actively hate Disney would want to troll a Disney forum. I would never waste the time going onto a forum for something I so disliked.

its even worse over at wdwmagic. Lots of haters on Disney forums these days.

 

[yulilin3]

I think that depends on each person and each area. No doubt some things have changed. However quality in many areas has improved. I will take SWGE over the backlot for example. I think in some instances food quality has improved as well but in others dropped. Its all subjective.

I don't think quality has suffered so much as variety of offerings. In my 20+ years of being an APholder only two things have irreplaceable to me, Star Wars Weekends and thre Osbourne Lights, both events that could easily be brought back (once covid restrictions ease up) but they most likely never will

 

[rteetz]

I don't think quality has suffered so much as variety of offerings. In my 20+ years of being an APholder only two things have irreplaceable to me, Star Wars Weekends and thre Osbourne Lights, both events that could easily be brought back (once covid restrictions ease up) but they most likely never will

I never got to experience SWW (wish I had) but I will take what we got with SWGE if it was one or the other. Osborne is one of those things thats so hard. I am not sure how they could do that appropriately in another area. You also have far more parks experience than me but in my now 3 years as an AP I agree with what you said.

 

[jkh36619]

yeah. Streets of America made it work. I dearly miss Osborne Lights

 

[New Mouse]

I think that depends on each person and each area. No doubt some things have changed. However quality in many areas has improved. I will take SWGE over the backlot for example. I think in some instances food quality has improved as well but in others dropped. Its all subjective.

Agreed but i think they bank on the...it doesnt matter we will buy it anyway crowd rather than spending whats needed to truly make most things exceptional. It allows them to cut corners.

 

[rteetz]

Agreed but i think they bank on the...it doesnt matter we will buy it anyway crowd rather than spending whats needed to truly make most things exceptional. It allows them to cut corners.

Not everything they try pans out though either. Tomorrowland cabanas/tents for example.

 

[skeeter31]

I don't think quality has suffered so much as variety of offerings. In my 20+ years of being an APholder only two things have irreplaceable to me, Star Wars Weekends and thre Osbourne Lights, both events that could easily be brought back (once covid restrictions ease up) but they most likely never will

Loved them both as well. SWW were definitely special. At one of them I got brought in to a focus group meeting about the future of SW once Disney bought them. It was soon after the acquisition and Disney was asking a small group of people, myself included, what we wanted to see going forward (movies, shows, theme parks). They definitely went ahead on all fronts I’d say LOL!

Osbourne Lights is definitely much harder to bring back now that the streets are gone, but they were a magical experience. I think it was also hard for Disney in that it was never truly “their” experience. I could see them doing something similar, although probably on a smaller scale, in the future.

 

[ford91exploder]

Yes, I'm sure. But for him to say none of the shows are coming back, or won't be replaced with something else, I don't believe that for a second. To me, the question is mostly when will they be back. I do see that being quite awhile yet unfortunately.

I wish I could share your optimism on shows and streetmosphere returning, But I think going forward all those decisions will be made by spreadsheet/computer model rather than a creative choice. The nighttime parade was the canary in the coal mine so to speak, Because probably when it went away merchandise sales on Main Street went up and thats ALL that current management cares about.

If I had to play Carnac the Magnificent I would say only the fireworks are coming back, and only because those look good in advertisements.

Since Universal, Hershchend and OLC (Disney Japan) can all mount shows and fireworks NOW it points to the decision to cancel shows as being financial and not being driven by safety measures.