Disney is losing some magic......

[Shaden]

I can't say I'm surprised. I fully expected you to come out at some point and question elements of our experience.

You want to hear the whole story? Would that change your annoying habit of making assumptions and running with them based on your never-ending defense of Disney in general?

Oh OHHHHHH .. I know, I know !!!!

NO !! No it wont at all.


Ok, now going back to read the rest of your post and this thread !

 

[Shaden]

Of course I saw your post on the resort board. How could I have possibly guessed that you had booked a split stay and did receive compensation for the inconvenience? On that board you said that they made up for disrupting your last park day, but apparently you have now changed your mind.

Or, did I misunderstand, or make some assumptions and run with them, when you said "Good news for me is I got them to refund tonight's stay, upgraded us to a room in business class, and gave us 6 FPs that can be used for anything. I think they made up for disrupting our last park day".

What happened to you would have upset me too. But if I was going to complain about it in a public forum I would have included some key points (not necessarily in such blow by blow detail) to help people understand what happened. If you had just said what you said in the resort forum, I couldn't have had anything more to say about it. You will note that I didn't respond in that thread.

Soooo you basically admit that you are just a troll, and you just purposely tried to cause crap on the forum, because, you are cool like that ???

 

[Shaden]

I understand how your feel, Travis, but I hope you'll change your mind regarding a trip report. There are a lot of us who value your opinions and experiences. I never feel like you are trying to promote a personal agenda.

Thanks,

Andrea

I sure am looking forward to the report. Looking forward to our May trip, but Travis always has awesome insight and I am sure he will provide information that will only further my ability to squeeze the most out of my trip, while Disney tries to squeeze the most out of me

 

[jade1]

I was thinking about this since we were there Thanksgiving Day as well.

I think FP+ would indeed disperse crowd arrivals and departures making buses (and park entrances) more evenly (less) populated throughout the day.

In fairness we have AP and have visited a lot, so a 12 hour day in the MK is far from a priority for us any more.

Especially now with FP+.

We did Thanksgiving at our friends and just went to MK in the late evening.

But we still took up space on the big 3 (IMO) which would have been very time consuming if we even showed up at noon (like the average guest) in the past as these FP's would have all been gone.

So we are an example of guests that indeed were not on the morning-or even afternoon buses, or in those park entrance lines. We would have been sooner in the past and walking around aimlessly or in the big 3 SB lines for 120 minutes each in order to get them in on Thanksgiving.

So maybe a similar/same or larger crowd past through MK that day as in the past, but as a much more dispersed pace. The attractions would still be just as full all day-but less wasted time in there by guests like us.

Likewise we did 10AM to noon at AK last weekend as well.

 

[Shaden]

I was thinking about this since we were there Thanksgiving Day as well.

I think FP+ would indeed disperse crowd arrivals and departures making buses (and park entrances) more evenly (less) populated throughout the day.

In fairness we have AP and have visited a lot, so a 12 hour day in the MK is far from a priority for us any more.

Especially now with FP+.

We did Thanksgiving at our friends and just went to MK in the late evening.

But we still took up space on the big 3 (IMO) which would have been very time consuming if we even showed up at noon (like the average guest) in the past as these FP's would have all been gone.

So we are an example of guests that indeed were not on the morning-or even afternoon buses, or in those park entrance lines. We would have been sooner in the past and walking around aimlessly or in the big 3 SB lines for 120 minutes each in order to get them in on Thanksgiving.

So maybe a similar/same or larger crowd past through MK that day as in the past, but as a much more dispersed pace. The attractions would still be just as full all day-but less wasted time in there by guests like us.

Very much see how FP+ would work nicely like this.

Also interesting to see how this would distort "crowd" levels, and emphasizes why FP+ creates the appearance of greater crowds even when they aren't there.

You are essentially virtually in the park for much longer than you actually are.

If you can just walk in the park and ride the rides you want and then bounce out, your actual presence is minimal, but you have the same impact on the wait times, as the person who spends the 3+ hours standing in line.

 

[jade1]

Very much see how FP+ would work nicely like this.

Also interesting to see how this would distort "crowd" levels, and emphasizes why FP+ creates the appearance of greater crowds even when they aren't there.

You are essentially virtually in the park for much longer than you actually are.

If you can just walk in the park and ride the rides you want and then bounce out, your actual presence is minimal, but you have the same impact on the wait times, as the person who spends the 3+ hours standing in line.

Exactly, can explain why it looks emptier throughout the day on buses and entrances, yet more people went there through the "entire" day.

Some folks that normally would have gone much sooner-ended up with later FP+ and decided to do a char breakfast and swim instead-or open AK.

Heck the 3 we got at MK arriving at 8PM on Thanksgiving? Awesome and efficient-for us anyway.

In theory a park with 75,000 capacity-could in effect have 3 40,000 guest shifts for 120,00.

 

[Laketravis]

Also interesting to see how this would distort "crowd" levels, and emphasizes why FP+ creates the appearance of greater crowds even when they aren't there.

Exactly. But potential wait times are only reduced for the most popular of choices. The effect on all other attractions is, yes - increased wait times. The exception being those continuous run, high capacity attractions that still have low wait/cycle times but contain visibly more guests than they previously did. Examples include Captain EO, Hall of Presidents, The Muppet Show, etc. Disney has done an extraordinary job of putting that excess capacity to use.

 

[Shaden]

Exactly, can explain why it looks emptier throughout the day on buses and entrances, yet more people went through the "entire" day.

Not even necessarily more people, but that is also certainly possible.

If more people are using FP now (which is generally accepted by just about everyone here) than more people are being more people

Meaning, when you are standing in line for one ride, while holding a FP, you are essentially functioning as 2 people at that moment. One in the line you are in, and another in the ride you will go to, and bump the SB line again, by using your FP.

1 Person starts to function more like 1.5 or 2 people as far as crowd levels via wait times go.

You can be a person standing in the middle of the pathway making it look like its crowded, and also virtually standing in line. The math on this would be fantastic to run (if we had actual usage rates before and after FP+ etc). But considering how many people will talk about how few people used legacy FP, and that's why this system is much better, ok, well, run the math of that on posted wait times and perceived crowd levels then.

 

[Laketravis]

See? I don't need to post my trip report - you guys figured it out.

 

[jade1]

Exactly. But only for the most popular of choices. The effect on all other attractions is, yes - increased wait times. The exception being those continuous run, high capacity attractions that still have low wait/cycle times but contain visibly more guests than they previously did. Examples include Captain EO, Hall of Presidents, The Muppet Show, etc. Disney has done an extraordinary job of putting that excess capacity to use.

I would agree-although popular is where it is really (hence the reference).

Might be surprised how many folks would far prefer to knock out the Mountains in an hour an a half on Thanksgiving than 120 minutes each but a slightly shorter wait for POTC and whatever else there is, IASM and HM I guess.

 

[Shaden]

Exactly, can explain why it looks emptier throughout the day on buses and entrances, yet more people went there through the "entire" day.

Some folks that normally would have gone much sooner-ended up with later FP+ and decided to do a char breakfast and swim instead-or open AK.

Heck the 3 we got at MK arriving at 8PM on Thanksgiving? Awesome and efficient-for us anyway.

In theory a park with 75,000 capacity-could in effect have 3 40,000 guest shifts for 120,00.

And Disney did claim something to this effect last year in late December / early January if I recall on an investor call.

They noted that they had increased the overall day capacity of MK over Christmas break via FP+.

 

[Shaden]

See? I don't need to post my trip report - you guys figured it out.

Still want that report

And some more pics.

 

[jade1]

See? I don't need to post my trip report - you guys figured it out.

I don't either, post 104 covered it.

 

[Laketravis]

I would agree-although popular is where it is really (hence the reference). Might be surprised how many folks would far prefer to knock out the Mountains in an hour an a half on Thanksgiving than 120 minutes each but a slightly shorter wait for POTC and whatever else there is, IASM and HM I guess.

What was really amazing to me was seeing Spaceship Earth with consistent 30 minute Standby Waits on relatively low 'crowd level' days. I can't say I've ever seen a 30 minute wait for that during a non-holiday week until this year.

I started to think that Disney discovered anything less than a 30 minute wait is acceptable to most guests. So if they can move everyone to FP on headliners and distribute the balance of demand to less popular attractions even if those SB wait times rise, as long as they don't exceed a sustained 30 minute value it's acceptable. An example? Look at the picture of the line for People Mover on a 'low crowd day'

 

[jade1]

What was really amazing to me was seeing Spaceship Earth with consistent 30 minute Standby Waits on relatively low 'crowd level' days. I can't say I've ever seen a 30 minute wait for that during a non-holiday week until this year.

I started to think that Disney discovered anything less than a 30 minute wait is acceptable to most guests. So if they can move everyone to FP on headliners and distribute the balance of demand to less popular attractions even if those SB wait times rise, as long as they don't exceed a sustained 30 minute value it's acceptable. An example? Look at the picture of the line for People Mover on a 'low crowd day'

Oh I believe that-just don't care in comparison to what "we" gained, haven't been on those for years.

And again-IMO many folks arrived later or bailed earlier than normal than wait for the "B" rides.

EPCOT needs more no doubt (as do all the parks IMO) but now the system is set up/adaptable to all new expansion seamlessly.

 

[Laketravis]

Oh I believe that-just don't care in comparison to what "we" gained, haven't been on those for years..

Agreed. For AP holders and frequent visitors, it's great - get in late, get your fix of the majors via FP and short wait, maybe catch a parade and fireworks, get out. For first timers or ever-so-often visitors who are planning on spending a good portion of their day in the park, not such a great deal.

 

[Cyrano]

Fun is over. Thread closed