Disney has finally suceeded

[maxiesmom]

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BTW, since when did it become "mean" to refer to an anonymous obese person as obese? Guess what, some people are obese. Deal with it.

I think it was the tone of the post, more than anything. Along with the comment that the obese woman was letting her child kick her for fun.

 

[summerlady]

I find it really shameful that instead of seeing the original post as a problem that Disney should deal with the majority of posters have take this as an attack on them. Every single "guest" that was put on that bus and then treated as if they did not matter, as if they were nothing more than dollar bills being moved from one pile to another, is owed an apology. Disney blamed the passengers for what happened on that bus. Not their driver--

 

[BlovesC]

Reading threads about the bus system always amuses me. DH and I take the Disney buses by choice. We're local, and we drive into the parks several times a month. When we stay at a Disney resort, it's different from our day trips, it's a true vacation. And it seems all the more special if we don't have to do any driving, so even though we have our car at the resort with us, we always happily plop ourselves down on a Disney bus or monorail to get around.

We've been in some overcrowded situations but I guess we've been pretty lucky, we've never really had a terrible experience on a Disney bus. The rides are always so short I can't imagine much going wrong, but I know from reading dozens of DIS anecdotes that it's clearly possible.

Anyway, sorry for the troubles, OP, but try and remember being crammed on a bus to WDW is much better than being crammed on a bus to work!

 

[pjhootch]

Wow. Tough crowd here. OP, I get it. I didn't read your post as being hostile towards the people in the crowd, but directed at the bus driver for allowing the crowd to get so bad. There can be a difference between a packed bus and cramming people in to the point where they don't feel safe. The OP thinks the bus driver let things get too far.

I didn't read that she hated obese people/special needs kids/kids/babies/families or people that use strollers. She said a stroller fell on her camera. Yes, that could crack a screen. The 14 year old kid was apparently too crammed in to stand up and let someone take their seat. I'm not sure where all the nastiness in this thread is coming from. I also read the first post to mean the baby was kicking the child for fun, not that the baby's mother was having fun watching it. I've got kids too, but wouldn't want to be kicked by someone else's baby.

It sounds like the bus driver overcrowded the bus. Does it happen? Sure. Are we used to it? yep. New York subway veteran here. It doesn't mean I like it or expect it on a Disney bus. New Yorkers take matters into their own hands when people try to shove into an already full car, by squaring their shoulders and refusing to move their feet or give an inch. The people that were in the car first and sat down... they are just plain stuck there with no room to wiggle. It sounds like what the OP went through.

 

[sndral]

No one forced you onto the bus.
The only real problem you had was a rude bus driver, and being unfortunate enough to end up with a damaged camera. Disney owes you nothing, and really needs to change nothing with how the buses operate. Other than to do a bit of a better job training their drivers on how to deal with people.

I guess my question here is what was OP to do - she was seated on the full bus that left POFQ and that bus stopped 3 times afterwards cramming more and more people onto the bus long after she got on - should she have told the driver she had to get off? Demanded that all of those people and their belongings between her and the exit door disembark so that she and her son could get off and wait for another bus and then all those others could climb back in to the original bus.? The decision to not board a crowded bus is fine, but to board an uncrowded bus that then stops several times becomes a trap which you are forced to endure.

There are 3 threads that I see going now complaining about how horrible and packed the buses were last week - this one re: POFQ, one @ AKL and one @ POP. There's crowded but this sounds like beyond that point and as I said earlier, I'm concerned that this is another case of Disney cutting corners to save money (ex. limiting monorail hours.)

Disney's transportation is not 'public' transportation - I believe it is run by a private company for the benefit of their guests* - didn't you used to have to show your room key to even use the buses a long time ago? While public transportation partially subsidized by taxpayers is one thing, IMO, a private company advertising this as a service for it's guests in part to encourage guests to spend thousands of dollars while visiting might want to rethink saving a few small bucks by dangerously overloading their buses - seems to me to be penny wise and pound foolish.

edited to add - *I include park visitors as guests, not just people staying on site.

 

[flicx]

Wow. Tough crowd here. OP, I get it. I didn't read your post as being hostile towards the people in the crowd, but directed at the bus driver for allowing the crowd to get so bad. There can be a difference between a packed bus and cramming people in to the point where they don't feel safe. The OP thinks the bus driver let things get too far.

I didn't read that she hated obese people/special needs kids/kids/babies/families or people that use strollers. She said a stroller fell on her camera. Yes, that could crack a screen. The 14 year old kid was apparently too crammed in to stand up and let someone take their seat. I'm not sure where all the nastiness in this thread is coming from. I also read the first post to mean the baby was kicking the child for fun, not that the baby's mother was having fun watching it. I've got kids too, but wouldn't want to be kicked by someone else's baby.

It sounds like the bus driver overcrowded the bus. Does it happen? Sure. Are we used to it? yep. New York subway veteran here. It doesn't mean I like it or expect it on a Disney bus. New Yorkers take matters into their own hands when people try to shove into an already full car, by squaring their shoulders and refusing to move their feet or give an inch. The people that were in the car first and sat down... they are just plain stuck there with no room to wiggle. It sounds like what the OP went through.

Unfortunately on these boards people find a way to discredit and bash some people who have legitimate beefs with disney.The whole disney is above being wrong ,and how dare someone find fault with disney attitude can get old in a hurry.Every one on these boards obviously likes disney or they probably wouldn't be here.Some just hate to hear there are flaws with them though.This story is scary,if disney is crowding buses to the extent this poster says, it is unsafe,and heaven forbid there is an accident where someone gets hurt or even killed because of this kind of bad judgement.Sorry OP I hope you get yourself a nice replacement camera !

 

[ppony]

I didn't read that she hated obese people/special needs kids/kids/babies/families or people that use strollers.

As far as the obese woman, let me say that I am by no means a super model but I have enough sense not to get on a bus where my overly ample parts will be stuffed into someone else's face.

What is this then? Why was someone's body part even mentioned? Because it caused disgust to her is why. It wasn't someone's stomach, it was someone's "obese" stomach. Just like saying someone's butt was in your face, as opposed to saying someone HUGE butt was in your face. (and who hasn't had that???) Same thing. Was the adjective even necessary? No, and that's the ire from some of us. I'm sure when that woman got on, she was able to get far enugh back in the bus to be near the OP so it wasn't over-crowded at that point and she wasn't tying to "STUFF" her parts anywhere.
It has nothing to do w/ people protecting Disney in my eyes, it has to do w/ an attitude of a post towards other guests, and not limiting her anger to Disney itself where is IS warranted. I don't think anyone here LIKES the buses being over-crowded and every one of us would rather them not be.

 

[Rip]

I think it was the tone of the post, more than anything. Along with the comment that the obese woman was letting her child kick her for fun.

Her tone seemed irritated mostly at the driver, and secondly at the obese woman. I took the "for fun" comment as sarcasm. I've seen plenty of people that let their darling little angels pretty much do whatever the hell they want, so it's totally plausible for me to see that scenario played out and totally understandable to be aggravated by it.

 

[Rip]

What is this then? Why was someone's body part even mentioned? Because it caused disgust to her is why. It wasn't someone's stomach, it was someone's "obese" stomach. Just like saying someone's butt was in your face, as opposed to saying someone HUGE butt was in your face. (and who hasn't had that???) Same thing. Was the adjective even necessary? No, and that's the ire from some of us. I'm sure when that woman got on, she was able to get far enugh back in the bus to be near the OP so it wasn't over-crowded at that point and she wasn't tying to "STUFF" her parts anywhere.
It has nothing to do w/ people protecting Disney in my eyes, it has to do w/ an attitude of a post towards other guests, and not limiting her anger to Disney itself where is IS warranted. I don't think anyone here LIKES the buses being over-crowded and every one of us would rather them not be.

Actually no, you're not sure of any such thing. The OP has repeatedly explained how people kept getting on, so based on her observations it's very likely that said woman crammed herself in just like a lot of other people did. That would aggravate me as well. People need to use a bit of common sense, because Disney is out to do one thing - make money, and you are nothing but cattle to them so long as you do what they want. Yes, they will address your concerns when and if they become widespread enough that they begin to lose money over them. Otherwise, they don't care.

 

[Rip]

You have to be DIS "correct". The correct term is Pooh sized.

 

[ppony]

Actually no, you're not sure of any such thing. The OP has repeatedly explained how people kept getting on, so based on her observations it's very likely that said woman crammed herself in just like a lot of other people did. That would aggravate me as well. People need to use a bit of common sense, because Disney is out to do one thing - make money, and you are nothing but cattle to them so long as you do what they want. Yes, they will address your concerns when and if they become widespread enough that they begin to lose money over them. Otherwise, they don't care.

OH yes I can be. She could have been getting onto a standing room only bus but unless she was one of the last people on, she wasn't deliberately cramming herself on. Everyone coming in after her was cramming her in, tighter and tighter. So unless you think only thin people should be getting on standing room only buses, leave body-type out of it.

 

[marivaid]

It may not be public transportation, per se, but it's still mass transportation. Keyword here : mass.

I'm not a fan of the mega strollers either, but I'm used to it. They're on my daily bus route too. As are unbathed people. And butts. LOTS of butts. Small or big, round or flat, but always in my face.

My guess is that bus drivers are told to put as many people in as they can, saves Disney money since they don't have to send another bus to pick up a few stranded guests here and there. It's nothing new. One reason we don't go to value resorts anymore - I'm not keen on those 40mn breathing-optional bus rides.

Sorry that your teenage son had to be subjected to the horror of having a less-than-desirable woman's body part in his face for the duration of the trip. I wonder how traumatic that would have been if it had been a skinny 18yo girl smashing her butt in his face instead. He may have been the one drooling then.

 

[pjhootch]

What is this then? Why was someone's body part even mentioned? Because it caused disgust to her is why. It wasn't someone's stomach, it was someone's "obese" stomach. Just like saying someone's butt was in your face, as opposed to saying someone HUGE butt was in your face. (and who hasn't had that???) Same thing. Was the adjective even necessary? No, and that's the ire from some of us. I'm sure when that woman got on, she was able to get far enugh back in the bus to be near the OP so it wasn't over-crowded at that point and she wasn't tying to "STUFF" her parts anywhere.
It has nothing to do w/ people protecting Disney in my eyes, it has to do w/ an attitude of a post towards other guests, and not limiting her anger to Disney itself where is IS warranted.QUOTE]

Okay, so you don't like the adjective. Did you want the OP to say "fluffy stomach"?

I don't know how you can be sure the woman got on the bus before it was overcrowded since you weren't there, but I'm not going to argue about that. If the OP hadn't used the word obese (implying the standing woman wasn't obese) her post wouldn't have described the situation very well. Let's face it, if it was Daniel Craig or some Chippendale model standing and being crowded into someone's face it probably wouldn't have been as intrusive or aggravating. Although even a Chippendale guy holding a kicking baby would have gotten on my nerves!

 

[ppony]

Okay, so you don't like the adjective. Did you want the OP to say "fluffy stomach"?

Really???? the adjective wasn't needed AT ALL. It showed bias, anger and disgust. If you don't want to be flamed, don't be a jerk.

I don't know how you can be sure the woman got on the bus before it was overcrowded since you weren't there,

Sure we can. No one gets on a bus or monorail and squashes themselves directly next to or on top of someone else, until they are forced to. I've been on my share of buses, monorails and subways to have seen the dynamics. You don't have to be there to know how it works. SO, unless she was being forced closer and closer to others, surely, she didn't get on the bus and go directly to stand on top of the OP's child. Is that so hard to comprehend?
That said, I DO concede that bus driver should have closed the door at least half a dozen people sooner. Just keep your ire on the driver...and perhaps, the last half dozen people.

 

[Rip]

OH yes I can be. She could have been getting onto a standing room only bus but unless she was one of the last people on, she wasn't deliberately cramming herself on. Everyone coming in after her was cramming her in, tighter and tighter. So unless you think only thin people should be getting on standing room only buses, leave body-type out of it.

Actually no, you can't. You have zero idea. None, zip, zilch, nada. You're imagining things in your head because it irked you that she dared mention the woman was (a medically appropriate term, I might add) obese. I've personally been in situations where rather ample persons have barreled themselves right up in the thick of things, so it's entirely plausible that that is exactly what happened. It's obvious that a great many people crammed themselves on after it was obviously full just because they were allowed to. Probability would dictate that her rotundness likely did as well, and in the absence of any evidence to the contrary you're left with your own biased assumptions.

If the woman in question was thin, her junk would not have been shoved in the OP's face and thus, that part would not have happened.

Like I said, it's a perfectly appropriate descriptor. If she'd have referred to her in an inappropriate manner (orca, tubby, lard-o, sasquatch, Shamu, Ned Beatty, etc.) I could see where someone may have gotten offended. As it was, she didn't. She described the situation as she perceived it using appropriate adjectives to paint a mental picture.

Like I said, obese people are obese, one must deal with that reality.

 

[pjhootch]

Really???? the adjective wasn't needed AT ALL. It showed bias, anger and disgust. If you don't want to be flamed, don't be a jerk.

I'm a jerk?

 

[Rip]

Really???? the adjective wasn't needed AT ALL. It showed bias, anger and disgust. If you don't want to be flamed, don't be a jerk.



Sure we can. No one gets on a bus or monorail and squashes themselves directly next to or on top of someone else, until they are forced to. I've been on my share of buses, monorails and subways to have seen the dynamics. You don't have to be there to know how it works. SO, unless she was being forced closer and closer to others, surely, she didn't get on the bus and go directly to stand on top of the OP's child. Is that so hard to comprehend?
That said, I DO concede that bus driver should have closed the door at least half a dozen people sooner. Just keep your ire on the driver...and perhaps, the last half dozen people.

The bolded part is not only ridiculous but oxymoronic. No one is forced onto any of these means of transportation. Second, you're only "forced" to shove your junk into and/or onto someone else if, um , people force themselves into an already overcrowded area.

The obese lady was one of those last half dozen people. (Maybe she wasn't, but the point is you have absolutely no clue, you're entire argument just contradicted itself.)

 

[Rip]

I'm a jerk?

I am, but I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly. There goes that theory, now I understand my sister.

 

[marivaid]

If the woman in question was thin, her junk would not have been shoved in the OP's face and thus, that part would not have happened.

I've had the pleasure of having a very thin, athletic, tight and drool-worthy man's bottom in my face for a ride on our last trip. Only time in my life I wished I was on a Downtown Disney bus instead.

 

[ppony]

I'm a jerk?

I was talking about the OP's attitude.