Disney Genie announcement

[ZeeWP]

Here is a link to her Genie video: (She calls ILL$ rides "Fancy Rides".)

That bit with the cue cards had me LOL'ing

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

well.. thats dumb.

Dumb that people call it abuse? Or that my comment is dumb?

I direct your attention to the Great FP War of 2012 as exhibit A.

 

[Disturbia]

Even if there is a limit to genie+, you can still ride some rides standby (little mermaid, magic carpets; rides which don’t need a fastpass). I think by putting a limit it makes everyone’s standby times better.

 

[katyringo]

Dumb that people call it abuse? Or that my comment is dumb?

I direct your attention to the Great FP War of 2012 as exhibit A.

Dumb that people call it abuse.

 

[CBMom01]

Even if there is a limit to genie+, you can still ride some rides standby (little mermaid, magic carpets; rides which don’t need a fastpass). I think by putting a limit it makes everyone’s standby times better.

Totally agree with this. Also, if I don’t want to get up at 7 then I take what comes as the day goes on.
The more I think of this the more I believe it will help with managing crowds

 

[masupo]

Dumb that people call it abuse.

To enhance the ridiculousness, I saw a preemptive accusation of "abuse" already being tossed out in this thread.

 

[Disturbia]

https://www.wdwinfo.com/news-storie...ney-world-oct-19-weve-got-all-of-the-details/

 

[Disturbia]

https://**************.net/2021/10/...ne-at-disney-world-full-attractions-list-ba1/
This has a screenshot of the app. I think it will be a maximum of 8 selections for Genie+; Genie+ just gives you access to LL but it’s built on the same basic system it seems? (some rides like Astro Orbiter don’t have LL). The ‘one selection at a time’ is throwing me off. I would think I could ride more than 8

Hopefully someone who got a preview can verify this.

 

[gharter]

I am sort of looking forward to seeing how this works during our trip.
It greatly worries me that Disney (according to the Dis unplugged) believes that doing 4 attractions a day is a success. At MK, using the old FP+ system, we would get 12+ FPs ( a best of 16 in one day) for the day. Other parks not as much as they don't have as many attractions.
I am also concerned that I can now only get 1 LL pass for each attraction. After that, it is going in the standby line. considering you are now paying for this, it seem like a downgrade.
We are there next week, maybe after using Genie+ I'll feel different, but it just seems like more money for a less experience.

 

[Violetspider]

https://**************.net/2021/10/...ne-at-disney-world-full-attractions-list-ba1/
This has a screenshot of the app. I think it will be a maximum of 8 selections for Genie+; Genie+ just gives you access to LL but it’s built on the same basic system it seems? (some rides like Astro Orbiter don’t have LL). The ‘one selection at a time’ is throwing me off. I would think I could ride more than 8

Hopefully someone who got a preview can verify this.

No, 8 is just the number of attractions you're able to tell "free" Genie are your Top Picks or Must Do rides. Genie then tries to optimize your experience by getting you to all 8 of those rides with the least amount of walking and/or wait times (no money required). The ITM website just choose very poor placement of that particular photo. In fact, they shouldn't have used that photo at all. It's misleading when talking about G+.

Genie+ will allow you to ride every G+ attraction in the park one time if possible. So for MK that's 17 attractions. Will you actually be able to get on all 17, not likely. If wait times are really low and you can go on one ride after another, because as soon as you scan into a ride you can grab your next reservation, you could conceivably get on a decent portion of those 17. Your more likely to get on all the rides at Epcot (9) or Animal Kingdom (8). Hollywood Studios at 12 G+ attractions may also be a possibility but the timing between reservations would have to be rather tight. One can dream!

 

[rpfennig]

It greatly worries me that Disney (according to the Dis unplugged) believes that doing 4 attractions a day is a success. At MK, using the old FP+ system, we would get 12+ FPs ( a best of 16 in one day) for the day. Other parks not as much as they don't have as many attractions.

I suspect the majority of people only ever used their standard 3 fast passes and if you were "in the know" you could stack some serious numbers (heartfelt clap for the 16 on one day, get that man a drink). If they keep the same pool of fast passes/fast lanes/lightning passes/lightning lanes I wonder what that number is. Is it park capacity x 3 with a buffer? Or is it a ride throughput calculation with 7-8 fast passes per 2-3 standby guests? If the former, that's roughly 240-300K available lightning lanes a day if MK capacity is 80-100K. If 20K people a day buy Genie+ that's a pretty good ratio of 12-15 rides and the experience for standby riders would be similar to fast pass days (minus the people in standby having any fast passes, so less good for them). Bump that up to 30K Genie+ users and it drops to 8-10 rides. I suspect even with that number of fast passes the actual count will be lower due to a variation of breakage (not all lightning lanes for all time slots will be picked... I'm looking at you Magic Carpets of Aladdin) and physical/temporal limitations (distance between, length of rides/shows). Then again, whatever the pool of fast passes was, the pool of lightning lanes will probably be slightly less if you pull out the ones related to the a la crate (I'll give you this one spellcheck cause it makes me smile) rides like Space Mountain and 7DMT. Basically a long winded way of saying, I'll be curious to see how many lightning lanes end up being the average and is it >3 enough that people are happy with their purchase.

That and we need a lightning lane race day for maximum number of lightning lanes. Do you stick to one park like MK and try and do everything there? Or start in MK for quantity and skip the longer rides and park hop to Epcot to scoop up some more shorter rides? These are the important question our most precious resource, vloggers will soon answer for us in pithily titled youtube videos sponsored by targeted ads. I joke knowing that I'll be first in line to watch them.

 

[Bibbobboo2u]

That bit with the cue cards had me LOL'ing

She is very funny. That’s one of the main reasons I like to watch her videos.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Even if there is a limit to genie+, you can still ride some rides standby (little mermaid, magic carpets; rides which don’t need a fastpass). I think by putting a limit it makes everyone’s standby times better.

I guarantee that Disney isn’t doing it improve people’s standby times. They don’t give a hoot about that. They’re doing it to make sure they don’t run out of LL passes during the day so that people don’t complain that they paid $15 and couldn’t get any. Guest relations is going to be unsympathetic to the argument that people paid $15 and all they could get was dumbo and barnstormer.

 

[LSUfan4444]

And people thought I was crazy when they said "I'm not going back till they bring back FP" and I said "GO NOW...getting rid of FP+ is the best thing to happen to WDW in decades"

Guys and gals, it was a great and glorious, stress free run with fast moving standby lanes and tons of flexibility and I'm sad to see those days go by.

 

[Disturbia]

I guarantee that Disney isn’t doing it improve people’s standby times. They don’t give a hoot about that. They’re doing it to make sure they don’t run out of LL passes during the day so that people don’t complain that they paid $15 and couldn’t get any. Guest relations is going to be unsympathetic to the argument that people paid $15 and all they could get was dumbo and barnstormer.

That’s why they’re saying Genie+ will never run out. If they space them, you’ll be limited and they can sell to another person.

Without young kids (1 kid over 5)and when we had printed fp we did more than 10 rides a day. With younger kids we’ve done 6 rides plus 1-2 shows; more if it was an after hours event

 

[nurseberta]

what's this now????

I am sort of looking forward to seeing how this works during our trip.
It greatly worries me that Disney (according to the Dis unplugged) believes that doing 4 attractions a day is a success. At MK, using the old FP+ system, we would get 12+ FPs ( a best of 16 in one day) for the day. Other parks not as much as they don't have as many attractions.
I am also concerned that I can now only get 1 LL pass for each attraction. After that, it is going in the standby line. considering you are now paying for this, it seem like a downgrade.
We are there next week, maybe after using Genie+ I'll feel different, but it just seems like more money for a less experience.

I don't know, maybe I'm drinking the Kool-Aid but I think this new system might work out. On my last trip in 2019, I really was more anxious about getting FP's as I am typically an open to close get your money's worth type of person. In the moment I felt I was on top of my game as I was dragging family from ride to ride and I def felt like we got very short wait times and took full use of the FP+ system. didn't wait more than 10-15 min which was sometimes the length of walking the queue. As we were walking onto our scheduled SDMT FP I was hoping for a line to catch my breath and look around. That didn't happen, so even though I was "winning" in hindsight maybe slowing things down to look around is also a decent way to experience the parks. If I am limited in how and when I get LL access, it leaves me time to enjoy my surroundings instead of working the system? just a thought

 

[Disturbia]

This past June was a nightmare and on 2 days we only rode 2-3 rides due to waits being 45-60 mins, so for people like us who don’t rope drop and are ok not re-riding much this will work better. You can still do standby in between.

 

[snikki]

I don't know, maybe I'm drinking the Kool-Aid but I think this new system might work out. On my last trip in 2019, I really was more anxious about getting FP's as I am typically an open to close get your money's worth type of person. In the moment I felt I was on top of my game as I was dragging family from ride to ride and I def felt like we got very short wait times and took full use of the FP+ system. didn't wait more than 10-15 min which was sometimes the length of walking the queue. As we were walking onto our scheduled SDMT FP I was hoping for a line to catch my breath and look around. That didn't happen, so even though I was "winning" in hindsight maybe slowing things down to look around is also a decent way to experience the parks. If I am limited in how and when I get LL access, it leaves me time to enjoy my surroundings instead of working the system? just a thought

I think it’ll work fine too. 99% of Disney vacationers are average guests. They aren’t Uber planners or on message boards trying to find the best way to maximize the system. IF they purchase G+ they’ll get some LL, use them as they go about their day and most of them will be happy with it. I think a good percentage won’t even pay for it and there will be some who buy it and barely use it.

I was one of those that booked their 3 FP+, usually in the evening (quality over quantity for me), and rarely pulled additional ones. We still rode our favorites multiple times, rode everything we wanted to and never waited more than 20 minutes. I think I’ll still be able to accomplish everything I want with ILL and maybe G+ a day or two.

 

[Disturbia]

No, 8 is just the number of attractions you're able to tell "free" Genie are your Top Picks or Must Do rides. Genie then tries to optimize your experience by getting you to all 8 of those rides with the least amount of walking and/or wait times (no money required). The ITM website just choose very poor placement of that particular photo. In fact, they shouldn't have used that photo at all. It's misleading when talking about G+.

Genie+ will allow you to ride every G+ attraction in the park one time if possible. So for MK that's 17 attractions. Will you actually be able to get on all 17, not likely. If wait times are really low and you can go on one ride after another, because as soon as you scan into a ride you can grab your next reservation, you could conceivably get on a decent portion of those 17. Your more likely to get on all the rides at Epcot (9) or Animal Kingdom (8). Hollywood Studios at 12 G+ attractions may also be a possibility but the timing between reservations would have to be rather tight. One can dream!

That’s what Molly’s (allears) seemed to allude to. Thanks for clarifying.

She also said you can re-ride standby after riding with genie+ (but didn’t clarify what happens if you ride earlier than the genie+ pass; I guess we need to really see this in real time; however, if the wait was that low (thinking extra am hrs) that I would ride a ride standby during magic morning I don’t need genie+ and can re-ride standby)

 

[snikki]

Once reports are released we may see that getting up at 7 am to book LL may not even be necessary depending on how you do the parks.

I have never seen the benefit in an 8 am or 9 am FP or LL. We would never start our FP+ before 12 (but usually not before 4 pm) anyway. With legacy FP you pulled them early in the morning because you could use them at any time. But with this system you must use them in the allotted time. How much time is an 8 am or 9 am LL going to save you? I know everyone has different strategies for what works for their families.