Disney extends CEO Bob Iger to 2018

[Bob Roberts]

No, the above is just gibberish. The reality is record attendance and revenue being reported every quarter, with notations that WDW attendance and per guest spending both being up. But yes, I'm sure others are going to take the same approach you have said you did (a few posts ago) and then they will be hurting, right?

'Just wait'

The bottom line is that I and many others feel that Disney is just coasting on their name from the past. That is why they are able to cost cut, nickel and dime, and price gouge the consumer and get away with it. General Motors was the same way and look what eventually happened to them. If you think Disney is invincible just like GM thought they were invincible, well your going to be in for a rude awakening.

Just like the economy its all smoke and mirrors, everything is all about the now and very little of the future. The now which seems like is great, is killing the future.

 

[Yellowstonetim]

It's interesting, although not surprising, that there are those that still go with the extreme anti-Disney labels simply because there's a group that disagrees with the activities and efforts that border on exploitation (like it or not, a hundred dollar charge for low value desserts and 'select' viewing for after hours events is highway robbery). On construction of new items, there doesn't have to be a regular cadence of earth-moving, but there does need to be something more, or at least different, than building what amounts to a themed shopping mall and the increased price gouging that occurs.

And it's still pure speculation that anything new outside of Avatar (I'll ignore Frozen for now) is coming to Orlando, yet those who defend the current strategy act as though we should see the scissors cut the ribbon on Star Wars Land or any other significant development anytime now. I would go as far as to say that any major initiatives will probably be on the back burner until a decision is made on Paris. It's also interesting to note that the recent string of confirmed dates for things tend to revolve around closures and not openings.

For those that love Disney as a corporation then you've got every reason to jump for joy, but don't translate the success of other areas into a foundation for equal splendor in Orlando. Behavior has shown that's not the case.

No it isn't highway robbery. If it was water after a hurricane hit that people needed, it would be highway robbery. But this is a voluntary extra in a vacation spot. People are willing to pay it. That is called supply and demand. If no one buys in they will lower the price. Because you don't see the value doesn't mean someone else won't see it. Some people like these special things. Just because you don't like it and don't see the value doesn't make it wrong or stupid or highway robbery. In fact, an extra like this at a premium price is just the thing Walt would have loved! He was all about working every angle possible to make a buck off the consumer.

The closures at DHS are obviously about something new coming to DHS. It is silly to deny it.

The bottom line is that I and many others feel that Disney is just coasting on their name from the past. That is why they are able to cost cut, nickel and dime, and price gouge the consumer and get away with it. General Motors was the same way and look what eventually happened to them. If you think Disney is invincible just like GM thought they were invincible, well your going to be in for a rude awakening.
Just like the economy its all smoke and mirrors, everything is all about the now and very little of the future. The now which seems like is great, is killing the future.

Couldn't disagree more. Disney is better set for the future then ever in its entire history. Building overseas multiplies profit and insulates it from local economic issues. Acquiring properties like Marvel and Star Wars will provide profits for years to come. Pandora and SW in the parks will make a one-two punch. In every aspect of their business Disney is hitting on all cylinders and looks to be getting in a better position then every before. I'd buy the stock if I were you. EVERYONE in business investing circles says they are doing it right. So do the increased millions that are visiting. The vast majority of which are very happy. Including friends of mine that LOVE the magic bands as do many here.

Does that mean there won't be ups and downs? Of course there will be. But Disney has positioned themselves to be able to weather them in any division.

 

[rteetz]

I disagree they are in a panic. There is nothing in the numbers that would give them reason too. They're building a ton of things all over the world, and have been since Iger took over. The amount of construction/infrastructure related to parks & resorts (including MM+) over the past few years (and heading into the next few years) is pretty staggering. But its not an E-ticket attached to everything they are doing so I guess it doesn't count. Panic is what Eisner did to rush Studios ahead of Universal's opening.

Occupancy rates are dropping people are staying offsite they are panicking, and to fix that they are converting rooms to DVC to make numbers look better. AK and DHS do not have the attendance that Disney wants, they saw this summer what a little work could do with the frozen summer fun that really brought people into that park and rose attendance.

We are talking domestically, disney does not have full ownership of any other parks besides the ones in the US. Disney doesn't have to put much money into projects that's why they are building all over the world. Disney doesn't have any ownership in Tokyo at all, Paris is doing awful and disney just bailed them out, Hong Kong and Shanghai will be owned by the Chinese with partial disney ownership.

MM+ went way over budget and the guy in charge of it was let go a long time ago, things really didn't go extremely smooth with that...

Without eisner we wouldn't have DHS, or AK Iger wouldn't have built either nor would he have built DCA.

 

[rteetz]

Ok... From the perspective of limited esposure...I get you. But you still sound like you have a level of familiarity... So the question is - have you felt as though things are improving, status quo, or declining each trip? That's a key question. Not only do I not like complacency in Orlando... But it's a question of value. You seem to say you're getting good value... But if you look at the numbers closely... It's pretty compelling argument that you are not. Still no need to praise Iger nonetheless...he's not personally invested very much in wdw...all but publically turning attention to everywhere and everything OTHER than wdw whenever asked by any reporter or analyst. He only talks about it in terms of revenues and profits... Hmmmmmm....

Because Iger absolutely loves revenue and profit he's bought back so much disney stock, he'll get a nice big retirement check when all is said and done.

 

[rteetz]

But you are fighting an uphill battle. Bring up all the facts you want regarding improvements, quality, happy customers, increased attendance, increased profits... yet Disney is lousy and everyone is going to realize it eventually. The facts won't do any good. For every single one there is a, "yeah, but..." or, "that one doesn't count." It is an issue of perception. People are so invested and want things a certain way which they aren't getting, then they see everything as a negative and Disney as the enemy. New Fantasy Land is fantastic! It has some amazing things and is perfect for the TARGET AUDIENCE. I know people that just returned from Disney that are regulars but not rabid fans. They loved new fantasy land and the family's new favorite ride? 7 Dwarves! Belle's adventure or whatever its called is great, the meet and greets are good, space is good, etc. That's the bottom line. Disney is doing great and doing lots just not what you want, so you can't see anything good. Jeepers creepers!!! Really? The proof is in the pudding. Millions of happy people, increased attendance, increased profits. But of course that doesn't matter. You're not happy so everyone else must be deluded. All those millions of people. New Fantasy Land was a HUGE addition! Unless you don't want it to be, then it isn't. Justify? Facts and what counts - money, increased attendance, happy customers - millions of them. But none of that matters. I love Disney, and first and foremost I want them to be a healthy profitable company so they continue to exist and prosper. Right now I am very happy with the way things are moving. Everything is firing on all cylinders, all aspects of the business are doing well and big things are coming. Movies both live action and animated are going gangbusters - popular and profitable. Products are doing great. New acquisitions in SW, Marvel, etc. are really paying off. And big things are in the works in the Parks division Worldwide AND at WDW. Are there things I would have liked to be different. Sure. But things are actually pretty good. No, darn great! Go Disney! Of course, I am not a DVC owner and I only go every 2 years. Maybe that makes it easier to love Disney.

I love disney I have been going and will still go but it's quite obvious that disney isn't investing in the parks the way they used too. A huge majority of WDW visitors are first timers or guests that aren't extreme fans and have perspectives like all of us on the Dis have.

Yes New Fantasyland was a big addition but look at what we actually got, ONE new attraction, a clone from DCA, a doubled dumbo, a new restaurant, and the enchanted tales with belle. I absolutely love the theming of NFL but disney could've definitely done better. I hold disney to a high standard because they should be they are the king of the theme park world.

Yes disney is doing great they have record profits and lots of money. People are going on vacations again, the recession hit hard but the Economy is bouncing back people have some money again. Also disneys neighbor universal is doing big additions which is bringing people to orlando so they'll spend a few days at universal and a few days at disney. It used to be that people would spend a week at disney with maybe a day or two at universal but now that's reversing and people are going to universal more than disney. MK has the highest attendance at 18 million of course it's the flagship park everyone wants to go there, EPCOT is second, then DHS and AK pretty close to each other at around 10 million. As others have said DHS and AK have the reputation of half day parks, with big additions and changes they could be full day multi day parks again. But the point I'm getting at is disney should have never let them get to that point.

New acquisitions are great but this about the theme parks, pixar has very little in WDW parks, Star Wars hasn't expanded and marvel can't be added so not much there.

One other thing I'd like to point out is merchandise, there was point when each resort had resort specific merchandise, and every shop in the MK has unique stuff. Now I can get the same junk anywhere. The shirt I buy at DTD can be found at MK, resorts and other places. The marketplace co-op is a start back in the right direction but not enough.

 

[rteetz]

It's interesting, although not surprising, that there are those that still go with the extreme anti-Disney labels simply because there's a group that disagrees with the activities and efforts that border on exploitation (like it or not, a hundred dollar charge for low value desserts and 'select' viewing for after hours events is highway robbery). On construction of new items, there doesn't have to be a regular cadence of earth-moving, but there does need to be something more, or at least different, than building what amounts to a themed shopping mall and the increased price gouging that occurs. And it's still pure speculation that anything new outside of Avatar (I'll ignore Frozen for now) is coming to Orlando, yet those who defend the current strategy act as though we should see the scissors cut the ribbon on Star Wars Land or any other significant development anytime now. I would go as far as to say that any major initiatives will probably be on the back burner until a decision is made on Paris. It's also interesting to note that the recent string of confirmed dates for things tend to revolve around closures and not openings. For those that love Disney as a corporation then you've got every reason to jump for joy, but don't translate the success of other areas into a foundation for equal splendor in Orlando. Behavior has shown that's not the case.

I agree completely.

If you think those dessert parties within a hard ticket party is a great value I don't know what your looking at or you must have money to burn.

The decision on paris has been made their giving them a couple billion to fix up their parks and add some new rides, rumor is avatar might find its way there if it's successful in AK.

 

[rteetz]

No it isn't highway robbery. If it was water after a hurricane hit that people needed, it would be highway robbery. But this is a voluntary extra in a vacation spot. People are willing to pay it. That is called supply and demand. If no one buys in they will lower the price. Because you don't see the value doesn't mean someone else won't see it. Some people like these special things. Just because you don't like it and don't see the value doesn't make it wrong or stupid or highway robbery. In fact, an extra like this at a premium price is just the thing Walt would have loved! He was all about working every angle possible to make a buck off the consumer. The closures at DHS are obviously about something new coming to DHS. It is silly to deny it. Couldn't disagree more. Disney is better set for the future then ever in its entire history. Building overseas multiplies profit and insulates it from local economic issues. Acquiring properties like Marvel and Star Wars will provide profits for years to come. Pandora and SW in the parks will make a one-two punch. In every aspect of their business Disney is hitting on all cylinders and looks to be getting in a better position then every before. I'd buy the stock if I were you. EVERYONE in business investing circles says they are doing it right. So do the increased millions that are visiting. The vast majority of which are very happy. Including friends of mine that LOVE the magic bands as do many here. Does that mean there won't be ups and downs? Of course there will be. But Disney has positioned themselves to be able to weather them in any division.

people don't know that it isn't a good value. Most of them are first time visitors or bloggers and companies like the dis giving reviews on it and most likely telling you it isn't worth it. Disney does these events because they know people are not the brightest and will just shell out money because I'm going to to disney and I don't know when I'll be back. Disney veterans see things differently because they go often.

Yes DHS is closing things and there are rumors galore about it, I would know I post most of the on this board, but nothing is confirmed.

Pandora is coming but SW hasn't been confirmed so... And I know Iger said Star Wars will be coming tot the parks but so is christmas

Disney stock is at an all time high I wouldn't buy unless it went down and that I knew it would go back up

I've had no problems with magic bands I think they are fine make my life simpler but that 2 billion spent on that could've done wonders to DHS,EPCOT, and AK.

No one before MM+ was a thing said wow I wish I had a band on my wrist that did everything and an app on my phone to book my three FPs for the day. I'm not saying it's bad either i fine with it but I'm sure if you asked people would you rather have new rides or magic bands they would say new rides.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I can say with 100% certainty its not declining. At the worst status quo, but we did quite a few things last time that we hadn't done before.

Ok...here's the ideological divide...

Status quo or decline is a recipe
For disaster at amusement parks and has historically been proven to be the case 100% of the time.

That is something that Disney was adamant about not having happen...and their "low" periods have been punctuated by stagnation in parks.

I'll give you a couple relevant examples:

DCA was opened poorly equipped and was all but abandoned prior to massive rebuild.

Universal Orlando was pretty impressive after IOA was opened...but experienced multiple ownership changes in the following 10 years that result in no additions...and was as stale as it gets...and in steep decline.

It's not just that they are in status quo that is annoying/worrisome...

It's that it's status quo with this "how far can we take it before we are FORCED to do something" mentality

Menu streamlining combined with price increases...about 10 years

Huge hikes on tickets and especially passes over 10 years

Hotel Rate hikes happening at the same time as a global economic peel back...

Premium events all over the place... Now being paired with premium event add ons

More shops with less stuff being put In them...for about 10 years

Closures of rides without replacement... Which
Amounts to Disney sacrilege

Closure of three guest areas... Even if they were dated... With no reciprocal replacements

And large gaps in additions to the existing parks...which... Even if its Disney... Need refreshes. (Yes... Some of us in the core audience do actually represent a significant portion of the revenue and HAVE seen it/done it all... So a nibble just might keep the dogs happy)... For about 10 years.

It's like a game...they'll keep pushing and only a massive financial punch in the face will keep them honest...
... Which is never gonna happen.

Wdw has always been a cash cow... No bones about that. But what happens when there's no more cash in rewarding the customers? Blood letting and decline...

That always my fear and after looking at this all for many years from a variety of perspectives has not quelled the fears...

So please...don't just give me the "some people just hate Disney" line of crap. It's the equivalent of playground name calling. Because their symbol is a mouse and they direct market to my kids and the emotional button in the human DNA sequences...don't check the brain at the door.

Orlando is NOT a priority to reward the customers...nor to stengthen the parks/brand/company...nor even to really maintain the status quo by some measure.
It...like Disney springs... Is kinda a very elaborate shopping mall on cruise control.

Until I see this great avatar and the "inevitable" and yet unannounced and not even hinted at pixar place, starwarsland, and cars land at studios...and whatever other junk that a big company is "given the benefit of the doubt" on...it's not gonna be an easy sell on garnering effusive praise.

 

[wallrock]

No it isn't highway robbery. If it was water after a hurricane hit that people needed, it would be highway robbery. But this is a voluntary extra in a vacation spot. People are willing to pay it. That is called supply and demand. If no one buys in they will lower the price. Because you don't see the value doesn't mean someone else won't see it. Some people like these special things. Just because you don't like it and don't see the value doesn't make it wrong or stupid or highway robbery. In fact, an extra like this at a premium price is just the thing Walt would have loved! He was all about working every angle possible to make a buck off the consumer.

The closures at DHS are obviously about something new coming to DHS. It is silly to deny it.

I wouldn't call this supply and demand, especailly since the demand was never there to begin with. Instead I would classify it as good corporate philosophy. Where there is no demand, create it and entice the consumer to buy into something that they were already paying for. Get the goodies like a preferred viewing area (an area that was free before I blocked it off) and all the sugar you can much on for the low price of a C-note - a note that's on top of the money you paid to get into the 'special party' to begin with. Never mind that you can get even bigger pieces of sugar in one of the many nearby shops/bakeries for a tenth the cost and still enjoy the show. Nope, that isn't highway robbery at all.

It isn't highway robbery to raise or maintain prices on park admittance while you scale back offerings, or take years to replace them. It isn't highway robbery to raise the price of hotel stays by numbers that are obscenely higher than inflation. I wonder how fast attractions would be constructed, whether they be new or merely replacements, if Disney had to drop the price of admission every time they closed an attraction and could only raise it once its replacement was in place? The suits would have their stopwatches out while they glared at the construction site.

On DHS, I never denied that something was coming. I just never believed (and still don't) that it's going to be large scale. You may consider it silly to be in denial about something that doesn't exist (now THAT'S silly), but I think it's equally absurd to pop the proverbial champagne ahead of time for a Shangri-La that has yet to be announced.

 

[mvk]

Occupancy rates are dropping people are staying offsite they are panicking, and to fix that they are converting rooms to DVC to make numbers look better. AK and DHS do not have the attendance that Disney wants, they saw this summer what a little work could do with the frozen summer fun that really brought people into that park and rose attendance.

We are talking domestically, disney does not have full ownership of any other parks besides the ones in the US. Disney doesn't have to put much money into projects that's why they are building all over the world. Disney doesn't have any ownership in Tokyo at all, Paris is doing awful and disney just bailed them out, Hong Kong and Shanghai will be owned by the Chinese with partial disney ownership.

MM+ went way over budget and the guy in charge of it was let go a long time ago, things really didn't go extremely smooth with that...

Without eisner we wouldn't have DHS, or AK Iger wouldn't have built either nor would he have built DCA.

This sounds like a rant of a delusional man.

Panicking so they're converting to DVC? They're getting upfront profits, a locked in customer for 50 years, and yearly fees to cover maintenance. Sure, its all about panic, huh? Whatever you can do to spin it bad, though, right?

Eisner built those parks so well tbat Iger has to save them. If thats the result of the build build build philosophy, is it really a sound practice?

Iger's approach has been measured, flexible, and rooted in good business sense. He's not panicking and trying to throw crap up in response to Universal, like Eisner did. That, and the add-ons, and hard ticket evenrs that have proven popular and successful, combined with the expansions complete, ongoing, and rumored in the future, will keep this company and division on solid footing.

 

[mvk]

I love disney I have been going and will still go but it's quite obvious that disney isn't investing in the parks the way they used too. A huge majority of WDW visitors are first timers or guests that aren't extreme fans and have perspectives like all of us on the Dis have.

Yes New Fantasyland was a big addition but look at what we actually got, ONE new attraction, a clone from DCA, a doubled dumbo, a new restaurant, and the enchanted tales with belle. I absolutely love the theming of NFL but disney could've definitely done better. I hold disney to a high standard because they should be they are the king of the theme park world.

Yes disney is doing great they have record profits and lots of money. People are going on vacations again, the recession hit hard but the Economy is bouncing back people have some money again. Also disneys neighbor universal is doing big additions which is bringing people to orlando so they'll spend a few days at universal and a few days at disney. It used to be that people would spend a week at disney with maybe a day or two at universal but now that's reversing and people are going to universal more than disney. MK has the highest attendance at 18 million of course it's the flagship park everyone wants to go there, EPCOT is second, then DHS and AK pretty close to each other at around 10 million. As others have said DHS and AK have the reputation of half day parks, with big additions and changes they could be full day multi day parks again. But the point I'm getting at is disney should have never let them get to that point.

New acquisitions are great but this about the theme parks, pixar has very little in WDW parks, Star Wars hasn't expanded and marvel can't be added so not much there.

One other thing I'd like to point out is merchandise, there was point when each resort had resort specific merchandise, and every shop in the MK has unique stuff. Now I can get the same junk anywhere. The shirt I buy at DTD can be found at MK, resorts and other places. The marketplace co-op is a start back in the right direction but not enough.

Don't stop him, he's on a roll.

Did you type this with a straight face?

It used to be that people would spend a week at disney with maybe a day or two at universal but now that's reversing and people are going to universal more than disney.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

So you said yesterday that movies and parks are full through no credit to Iger, which was a ridiculous statement to begin with, especially about the movies, but now, since it was pointed out Iger acquired the moneymakers, new acquisitions are great but this is about the theme parks. No, you're not just looking for ways to bash Iger, huh?

Also, the merchandise is junk, but you're upset you can get it everywhere instead of just special stores. Makes sense.

 

[rteetz]

This sounds like a rant of a delusional man. Panicking so they're converting to DVC? They're getting upfront profits, a locked in customer for 50 years, and yearly fees to cover maintenance. Sure, its all about panic, huh? Whatever you can do to spin it bad, though, right? Eisner built those parks so well tbat Iger has to save them. If thats the result of the build build build philosophy, is it really a sound practice? Iger's approach has been measured, flexible, and rooted in good business sense. He's not panicking and trying to throw crap up in response to Universal, like Eisner did. That, and the add-ons, and hard ticket evenrs that have proven popular and successful, combined with the expansions complete, ongoing, and rumored in the future, will keep this company and division on solid footing.

I'm not delusional. I've said this before and I'll say it again I love disney I'll keep going until I can't afford it or it's not appealing to me anymore.m

Disney has an occupancy problem right now instead of their normal around 90% filled hotels they are 80 or below people are staying off site. Converting rooms to DVC takes them out of the regular hotel room category and means less rooms, they are doing this to make their occupancy look better. An easier solution would be add things to the park to get people to go or offer something for people to stay in their hotels. I only stay on disney property but when I can stay at the dolphin for around $200 a night vs 400 at the BC which makes the most sense. The only difference is no magical express or dining plan, I still get all the transportation.

Eisner never panicked Eisner loved the theme parks he just approved anything and everything near the end of his tenure.

Potter was a real game changer before people didn't really spend a whole lot of time at universal if any now they do and universal continues to grow they're adding new hotels and a water park is rumored as well as a new kong attraction. I've never been to universal myself but people are starting to go their more. I've also seen or heard of a lot of DVC people using their DVC but not necessarily going to disney but going to universal instead.

We also didn't say that the hard ticket events weren't successful we were saying that they aren't the best value.

 

[twebber55]

I'm not delusional. I've said this before and I'll say it again I love disney I'll keep going until I can't afford it or it's not appealing to me anymore.m

Disney has an occupancy problem right now instead of their normal around 90% filled hotels they are 80 or below people are staying off site. Converting rooms to DVC takes them out of the regular hotel room category and means less rooms, they are doing this to make their occupancy look better. An easier solution would be add things to the park to get people to go or offer something for people to stay in their hotels. I only stay on disney property but when I can stay at the dolphin for around $200 a night vs 400 at the BC which makes the most sense. The only difference is no magical express or dining plan, I still get all the transportation.

Eisner never panicked Eisner loved the theme parks he just approved anything and everything near the end of his tenure.

Potter was a real game changer before people didn't really spend a whole lot of time at universal if any now they do and universal continues to grow they're adding new hotels and a water park is rumored as well as a new kong attraction. I've never been to universal myself but people are starting to go their more. I've also seen or heard of a lot of DVC people using their DVC but not necessarily going to disney but going to universal instead.

We also didn't say that the hard ticket events weren't successful we were saying that they aren't the best value.

raises hand
we own dvc points and have been to Universal three of the last four years..they continue to offer new/exciting things we will go

 

[rteetz]

Don't stop him, he's on a roll. Did you type this with a straight face? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! So you said yesterday that movies and parks are full through no credit to Iger, which was a ridiculous statement to begin with, especially about the movies, but now, since it was pointed out Iger acquired the moneymakers, new acquisitions are great but this is about the theme parks. No, you're not just looking for ways to bash Iger, huh? Also, the merchandise is junk, but you're upset you can get it everywhere instead of just special stores. Makes sense.

I don't get your point. Iger has been great for the company overall I've said that. But as for WDW not so much. I also never said that he doesn't get any credit for the movies that's his business background he is great at that I know and agree with you there.

I'm not looking for ways to just bash Iger it's simple Pixar, Star Wars and Marvel have all been acquired by Iger and they have done absolutely great. Pixar is incredibly successful why can't we have more of that in the parks. We haven't seem anything new with Star Wars yet. And Marvel can't come to WDW because of contracts with universal that's a fact.

I don't get the merchandise comment either. Why can't we have more specific stores, when I stay at the POR I want some resort specific items to take back showing I stayed there. I don't want a generic WDW shirt that I can get everywhere. There really isn't any special stores except the market place co-op and now the new haunted mansion store which has a line to get into everyday. I wonder why it has a line because that's what people want hopefully disney is starting to see this.

 

[rteetz]

raises hand we own dvc points and have been to Universal three of the last four years..they continue to offer new/exciting things we will go

Exactly my point. Just because you own DVC and use it doesn't mean your going to disney, many go to universal, SeaWorld, etc.

 

[circus4u]

I'm not delusional. I've said this before and I'll say it again I love disney I'll keep going until I can't afford it or it's not appealing to me anymore.m

. I only stay on disney property but when I can stay at the dolphin for around $200 a night vs 400 at the BC which makes the most sense. The only difference is no magical express or dining plan, I still get all the transportation.

I don't get this. In the first entry of your trip report at http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3312439 , you state you are 16. How does a 16 year old get/afford $200 per night for a hotel room?

 

[rteetz]

I don't get this. In the first entry of your trip report at http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3312439 , you state you are 16. How does a 16 year old get/afford $200 per night for a hotel room?

I am 16 and I understand your point I don't pay for my vacations and if I did i wouldn't find value in 400 vs 200. I'm not stupid I basically plan out Disney vacations I have been 6 times and will be going for the seventh time in January when I'm running in the 10k marathon. I post on here everyday and read a lot I understand how things happen why they happen etc. just because I'm 16 doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about I'm very well educated especially when it comes to disney and their history. My dream is work there one day possibly as an imagineer as I want to go to college for engineering. I also have a job and could afford a $200 a night room, I know how to save money unlike a lot of my teenage friends who have nothing.

 

[clsteve]

I am 16 and I understand your point I don't pay for my vacations and if I did i wouldn't find value in 400 vs 200. I'm not stupid I basically plan out Disney vacations I have been 6 times and will be going for the seventh time in January when I'm running in the 10k marathon. I post on here everyday and read a lot I understand how things happen why they happen etc. just because I'm 16 doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about I'm very well educated especially when it comes to disney and their history. My dream is work there one day possibly as an imagineer as I want to go to college for engineering. I also have a job and could afford a $200 a night room, I know how to save money unlike a lot of my teenage friends who have nothing.

16...??

Rteetz, color me impressed.

Keep it up - the ability to debate and present your facts in an articulate way will get you very far in this world.

There's a bright world and a bright future ahead.

And an engineering degree never hurts.......

 

[rteetz]

16...?? Rteetz, color me impressed. Keep it up - the ability to debate and present your facts in an articulate way will get you very far in this world. There's a bright world and a bright future ahead. And an engineering degree never hurts.......

Thank you

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Listen...

I love DVC...it really is the one of the best purchases ever...
But I have no illusions - while great for me to access more rooms via DVC (maybe)...

Conversion of existing rooms to DVC is NOT a sign of growth for wdw.

It is more than likely a "fish net"... As in they plan on steadily increasing prices at a minimum, possible knowing that major construction is no longer in the plan... And by locking in hundreds
Of thousands of new DVC contracts - they guarantee a captive audience that has realistically limited options.

All DVC owners will "flop around" in the net.

Sure you can "trade out" as much as you want - but deep down everybody involved in DVC knows that using the points at a Disney park is by far the best "value". But they get your disposable bucks too.

If any of you are trying to paint DVC conversion of rooms that have been priced off the charts as a GOOD thing...
Then that is a delusional rant.