Exactly I was just pointing out that the last e ticket to open under Iger was EE. DVC was started by Eisner but I really don't think he would've taken it to where Iger has, DVC at every deluxe and now the conversion of rooms to DVC.Expedition Everest was definitely an Eisner thing...more than likely Midway mania was too - at least early development was. Which means in exactly 10 years of leadership... Iger's lone original "frontline" addition created specifically for wdw is the Dwarf Mine Train... So THAT'S why it has a 2 hour wait? Think about that...it's the whole Problem... Wdw is a 3-4 billion annual revenue generator ( a guess...but reasonable)... And they have treated it like money in the bank. Attention has been on things like crowd distribution and 8 years to build a retail mall complex with fancy writing on the arches and buildings. And DVC...or course
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Bob Roberts
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It sounds like MVK would defend Disney even if they sold a small bag of Dog crap for people to carry around the parks. The sad thing is I think they could pull that one off at the present moment if they did some creative marketing behind it.
The old Monkey See, Monkey dooooooooooooooooo syndrome.
The thing is the people will wake up and start to realize that Disney is not what it use to be and will eventually reject their nickel and dime polices. Its happened to every company that has become stagnant in the market place and Disney is no exception. History is on my side.
The old Monkey See, Monkey dooooooooooooooooo syndrome.
The thing is the people will wake up and start to realize that Disney is not what it use to be and will eventually reject their nickel and dime polices. Its happened to every company that has become stagnant in the market place and Disney is no exception. History is on my side.
Yeah... they're really stagnant.
Just opened a large addition to the Magic Kingdom
Work is underway at Animal Kingdom for a new land
Work will be started on something in DHS soon (Soundstage 1), with more surely to come to the backlot
Work has been ongoing at Downtown Disney/Disney Springs
Cry Cry Cry Moan Moan Moan... Disney is going under! Universal will overtake them soon!
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My gracious...it just doesn't penetrate...
Nobody is saying those things AREN'T being done...
What's being said is that they have sat on their cans for too long and those things don't bring them back up to speed.
You have to look at the aggregate...because they are being judged in the aggregate.
And magic kingdom was not a "large addition"...it essentially was a large repurposing with some addition.
This seems like flimsy CM issue propaganda...to be honest. Which always fails to realize that TWDC is a money grabbing, top heavy juggernaut...not "the maker of dreams"
I'm not trying to be difficult... Just trying to understand how you're justifying your praise. It makes for a better/more educational debate.
I agree with lockedoutlogic
New fantasyland was adding a second dumbo a clone of a ride form DCA, a solid d ticket and a restaurant that fills up 180 days in advance.
DHS rumors lead to more clones most likely, and a third track to TSMM, maybe some new c tickets but nothing out of the park.
I've said it before I'm excited for what's happening at AK but is it enough? That park has what 6 attractions? Add two and you have 8...
Disney springs is all shopping I went before and I'll go after doesn't really change much for me.
It would really take a lot for Disney to go under but they have been quite stagnant like others have said doing only the bare minimum needed.
Comcast offered to buy disney when Eisner was still here he of course turned them down and now they own universal Disney's biggest competitor.
As said a million other times disney has the blessing of owning a lot of IP and actual land vs. universal who goes out and pays for rights for rides, and is quite landlocked.
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Because my expectations aren't that OMG Everything has be be new every year! They need to add add add, and they need to do it now!
My expectations are a great family vacation that all members of my family can enjoy without breaking the bank. That is exactly what WDW provides me. My family of four has flown to Disney, stayed on-site for a week, and have had the Dining Plan in mid-August for less than $5,000.
They have done new stuff, they are continuing to do new stuff. I don't need everything to be different or new when we go. There are tons of things to do that we still haven't experienced even after going a few straight years. By next time we go (likely 2016 because we are in the midst of building a new house), there will be quite a few things there that are new. And we will still enjoy the great stuff that they have that isn't new.
It's easy for everyone to sit here and spend other peoples money. Fact is, Iger has a fiscal responsibility to the shareholders that invest in the company. That is his job, and he's doing it very very well, especially in the studio segment and in the parks/resort segment (which happens to consist of much more than just WDW).
But hey, everyone wants someone like Eisner because he built built built, not stopping to think about what he actually built - 2 halfday parks in Orlando that Iger has to fix (one started, the other in the future), a park in Anaheim that Iger had to fix, and a park in Paris that many believe is beyond fixing, but Iger is going to try. Hey, maybe controlled spending and not building willy nilly is a good thing. Be measured, be flexible (adjusting NFL plans for 7DMT, hard ticket events), and concentrate on keeping the company on solid ground.
I realy don't understand why a clone is such a bad thing. Most people heading to WDW aren't going to Disneyland/DCA, or DLP (or the Asia parks either, if they clone from there).
Animal Kingdom isn't a half-day park for us. Typical itinerary is -
Safari
Pangani Trail
Kali River Rapids
Maharajah Jungle Trek
Expedition Everest
Finding Nemo show
Restaurantosauras lunch
Dinosaur (for our eldest)/Triceratop Spin (for our youngest)
Discovery Island Trails
Tough to be a Bug show
Jungle Jam Parade (obviously has been cancelled since)
Camp Minnie Mickey area meet/greets (obviously not there now)
Festival of the Lion King
Thats pretty much a full day, maybe get dinner at the park and do some repeats or walk the trails again. It's probably going to be a two day park for us in the future when Pandora is complete.
A clone means disney could've done something else something better maybe. AK isn't a half day park for us either but there is definitely more to do at MK or Epcot than there is at AK.
Also as for a clone I myself am not so much opposed to a clone of something in Paris or Tokyo as I am to something from California. It's also fair to note that the MK has several of the same attractions that Disneyland does like pirates, space mountain, splash, big thunder etc. but many of those attractions have differences to them as well. They are not exactly the same. LM I'm DCA and MK are exactly the same except for the new lighting effects that DCA got earlier this year that MK is expected to get when LM goes down early next year.
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I don't feel like multiquoting, my apologies. But I'm replying to some things here.
Yes, EE was definitely an Eisner thing. Opening crew for AK was told about EE coming.
Furthermore on AK... Its original intent was for it to be a daytime park. Call that a 1/2 park if you will, but that was the original intent. They knew when they built it they couldn't have fireworks and things like that. The intent was also for AK guests to enjoy Pleasure Island and resort stuff on their AK night. But we all know what happened to PI. So now, since the original plan didn't work, they're building a nighttime experience. I wouldn't say this was a mistake Eisner made, but more a result of other changes.
I really don't think it's about people wanting everything different each visit. For me, it's about wanting WDW to feel loved again. Epcot just feels neglected. So do the Studios, and I love the studios. I could sit on Sunset Blvd, watch the street entertainment and listen to the piped in music all day. (Okay, with a few TofT rides in between). It just, to me, feels like after AK was built, and Iger took over, they just coasted with WDW. Now, they're in a panic. I just hope the panic doesn't cause poor decisions.
Any new CEO is "fixing" other ppl's "mistakes". That goes for any position of power.
Yes, EE was definitely an Eisner thing. Opening crew for AK was told about EE coming.
Furthermore on AK... Its original intent was for it to be a daytime park. Call that a 1/2 park if you will, but that was the original intent. They knew when they built it they couldn't have fireworks and things like that. The intent was also for AK guests to enjoy Pleasure Island and resort stuff on their AK night. But we all know what happened to PI. So now, since the original plan didn't work, they're building a nighttime experience. I wouldn't say this was a mistake Eisner made, but more a result of other changes.
I really don't think it's about people wanting everything different each visit. For me, it's about wanting WDW to feel loved again. Epcot just feels neglected. So do the Studios, and I love the studios. I could sit on Sunset Blvd, watch the street entertainment and listen to the piped in music all day. (Okay, with a few TofT rides in between). It just, to me, feels like after AK was built, and Iger took over, they just coasted with WDW. Now, they're in a panic. I just hope the panic doesn't cause poor decisions.
Any new CEO is "fixing" other ppl's "mistakes". That goes for any position of power.
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Bob Roberts said:
Its most peoples perception (as seen on this board) that AK is a half day park. Iger is fixing that. For my family specifically, it is not a half day park.
If you used reading comprehension and just didn't want to jump on anything and try to spin everything as bad, maybe you would realize this. I've posted more than a few times that AK was a full day park for us, but see how people who just wanted to rush from ride to ride, not enjoying the shows or animals, could think of it as a half day park.
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I disagree they are in a panic. There is nothing in the numbers that would give them reason too. They're building a ton of things all over the world, and have been since Iger took over. The amount of construction/infrastructure related to parks & resorts (including MM+) over the past few years (and heading into the next few years) is pretty staggering. But its not an E-ticket attached to everything they are doing so I guess it doesn't count.
Panic is what Eisner did to rush Studios ahead of Universal's opening.
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I could care less about rushing from ride to ride. Heck I think the last time I was at Animal Kingdom was 7 years ago to ride Everest. Disney has created absolutely no incentive for me to go there again. As many have stated before, WDW is the flagship theme park resort of the company. To see the blatant neglect of their flagship resort rubs me the wrong way. So me being the consumer elects not to go.
Right now I am a small minority, but just wait. There will be more and more people like me and it will snowball for Disney. Disney will have no choice but to either. A) Keep on doing what they are doing and go down the tube or B) Get back to what made them great in the first place.
I hope its B.
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Ok... From the perspective of limited esposure...I get you.
But you still sound like you have a level of familiarity...
So the question is - have you felt as though things are improving, status quo, or declining each trip?
That's a key question.
Not only do I not like complacency in Orlando... But it's a question of value.
You seem to say you're getting good value... But if you look at the numbers closely... It's pretty compelling argument that you are not.
Still no need to praise Iger nonetheless...he's not personally invested very much in wdw...all but publically turning attention to everywhere and everything OTHER than wdw whenever asked by any reporter or analyst.
He only talks about it in terms of revenues and profits...
Hmmmmmm....
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But you are fighting an uphill battle. Bring up all the facts you want regarding improvements, quality, happy customers, increased attendance, increased profits... yet Disney is lousy and everyone is going to realize it eventually. The facts won't do any good. For every single one there is a, "yeah, but..." or, "that one doesn't count."
It is an issue of perception. People are so invested and want things a certain way which they aren't getting, then they see everything as a negative and Disney as the enemy.
New Fantasy Land is fantastic! It has some amazing things and is perfect for the TARGET AUDIENCE. I know people that just returned from Disney that are regulars but not rabid fans. They loved new fantasy land and the family's new favorite ride? 7 Dwarves! Belle's adventure or whatever its called is great, the meet and greets are good, space is good, etc.
That's the bottom line. Disney is doing great and doing lots just not what you want, so you can't see anything good.
Jeepers creepers!!! Really? The proof is in the pudding. Millions of happy people, increased attendance, increased profits. But of course that doesn't matter. You're not happy so everyone else must be deluded. All those millions of people.
New Fantasy Land was a HUGE addition! Unless you don't want it to be, then it isn't.
Justify? Facts and what counts - money, increased attendance, happy customers - millions of them. But none of that matters.
I love Disney, and first and foremost I want them to be a healthy profitable company so they continue to exist and prosper. Right now I am very happy with the way things are moving. Everything is firing on all cylinders, all aspects of the business are doing well and big things are coming. Movies both live action and animated are going gangbusters - popular and profitable. Products are doing great. New acquisitions in SW, Marvel, etc. are really paying off. And big things are in the works in the Parks division Worldwide AND at WDW.
Are there things I would have liked to be different. Sure. But things are actually pretty good. No, darn great! Go Disney!
Of course, I am not a DVC owner and I only go every 2 years. Maybe that makes it easier to love Disney.
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I can say with 100% certainty its not declining. At the worst status quo, but we did quite a few things last time that we hadn't done before. There are still a few things that we are sure to try next time as well, that we haven't previously. There's also the fact that we have gone mid-August everytime... we're probably going to switch that up in the future so we can do Halloween (and Food/Wine) or XMas (and Osborne Lights) parties, or in the spring for Flower/Garden and/or Star Wars Weekends.
We've yet to go to the water parks too, but thats not something we are greatly interested in. Maybe in the future when the kids are a bit bigger.
I feel I've gotten a great value for my money at WDW, but then again, I don't go out of my way to look for things to complain about. I'd spend the same amount of money renting a beach house for a week and eating out, but then I'd be sitting on the beach everyday instead of enjoying WDW.
It's interesting, although not surprising, that there are those that still go with the extreme anti-Disney labels simply because there's a group that disagrees with the activities and efforts that border on exploitation (like it or not, a hundred dollar charge for low value desserts and 'select' viewing for after hours events is highway robbery). On construction of new items, there doesn't have to be a regular cadence of earth-moving, but there does need to be something more, or at least different, than building what amounts to a themed shopping mall and the increased price gouging that occurs.
And it's still pure speculation that anything new outside of Avatar (I'll ignore Frozen for now) is coming to Orlando, yet those who defend the current strategy act as though we should see the scissors cut the ribbon on Star Wars Land or any other significant development anytime now. I would go as far as to say that any major initiatives will probably be on the back burner until a decision is made on Paris. It's also interesting to note that the recent string of confirmed dates for things tend to revolve around closures and not openings.
For those that love Disney as a corporation then you've got every reason to jump for joy, but don't translate the success of other areas into a foundation for equal splendor in Orlando. Behavior has shown that's not the case.
And it's still pure speculation that anything new outside of Avatar (I'll ignore Frozen for now) is coming to Orlando, yet those who defend the current strategy act as though we should see the scissors cut the ribbon on Star Wars Land or any other significant development anytime now. I would go as far as to say that any major initiatives will probably be on the back burner until a decision is made on Paris. It's also interesting to note that the recent string of confirmed dates for things tend to revolve around closures and not openings.
For those that love Disney as a corporation then you've got every reason to jump for joy, but don't translate the success of other areas into a foundation for equal splendor in Orlando. Behavior has shown that's not the case.
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Husband:"Honey were going to WDW!!!!!!!!!!
Wife: "Yesssssssssssss!!!!!!!"
Husband: "Did you hear they spent 2 billion on these creepy bands that have a GPS on them and monitor your every move?!!!!!!!"
Wife:"Really??? That is so cool!!!! No that is beyond cool, its breath taking!!!!!! "
Husband" I know!!!! It gets even better honey bun. They have built a Main Street By pass at the Magic Kingdom!!!!!!"
Wife: "You have got to be kidding me, that's unbelievable, that means they are really thinking about crowd control, and whats this I heard about the new mine train?"
Husband: Yes its the first sort of E ticket but not quite an E ticket more like a D ticket since Splash Mountain, which was built in 1992. We are only going to have to wait in line for 2 and half hours to get on this and it took them 5 years to make it. Plus the Jingle Cruise is coming this Christmas season too!!!!!"
Wife: "So many new things to see and do!! I can't get over this"
Husband: "I know, but get a load out of this, remember Downtown Disney?
Wife: "Yes!!!!!!!"
Husband: "They are building a mall there just like all the ones in any town in America!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Wife : "Wow!!!!!!! I can't wait to go, its going to be a blast!!!!"
Is the above, the sort of things that get consumers excited? Just a thought.
Wife: "Yesssssssssssss!!!!!!!"
Husband: "Did you hear they spent 2 billion on these creepy bands that have a GPS on them and monitor your every move?!!!!!!!"
Wife:"Really??? That is so cool!!!! No that is beyond cool, its breath taking!!!!!! "
Husband" I know!!!! It gets even better honey bun. They have built a Main Street By pass at the Magic Kingdom!!!!!!"
Wife: "You have got to be kidding me, that's unbelievable, that means they are really thinking about crowd control, and whats this I heard about the new mine train?"
Husband: Yes its the first sort of E ticket but not quite an E ticket more like a D ticket since Splash Mountain, which was built in 1992. We are only going to have to wait in line for 2 and half hours to get on this and it took them 5 years to make it. Plus the Jingle Cruise is coming this Christmas season too!!!!!"
Wife: "So many new things to see and do!! I can't get over this"
Husband: "I know, but get a load out of this, remember Downtown Disney?
Wife: "Yes!!!!!!!"
Husband: "They are building a mall there just like all the ones in any town in America!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Wife : "Wow!!!!!!! I can't wait to go, its going to be a blast!!!!"
Is the above, the sort of things that get consumers excited? Just a thought.
No, the above is just gibberish. The reality is record attendance and revenue being reported every quarter, with notations that WDW attendance and per guest spending both being up. But yes, I'm sure others are going to take the same approach you have said you did (a few posts ago) and then they will be hurting, right?
'Just wait'
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