Disney Early Morning Magic - Details & Prices

[Robo]

To justify the cost? Makes it sound more valuable to pay $69 for 2 hours and 15 min than for 1 hour and 15 min...

I'm in advertising.
I understand "overselling in the script."
But, if I wrote a commercial for an event that said "exclusively from 7:45 tp 10AM" and that exclusivity actually ended at 9AM...
I'd be in court within 3 weeks.

 

[AngiTN]

Is this refundable like a prepaid ADR?

The night one was not so I would guess this one is not either

If they threw in A&E it would sell out. My guess is they don't want the characters because it would back up and people would get mad that it wasn't quick. I might just head to breakfast first as everyone will probably head to the rides. If you are fast eaters, you would surely have 45 min. to ride or more or maybe Pooh first as one ride on that is enough for me. I would not waste rope drop time eating though. I can see this being attractive to off-site guests who weren't able to get 7DMT at 30 days. Don't need a FP for PP either then.

Thing is, A&E are leaving MK once Epcot's M&G spot is done. I'd guess that is why they aren't included. But it would be nice to toss in a few more characters. But I guess the character CM are higher pay people than park CM are so maybe that's why there are no characters included

 

[Mikie]

I really wish we knew the initial/test dates. I'm wondering what a week would look like with regular EMH (if any), After Dark days, and Early Magic (or whatever these are called). I'm all about saying "if I don't like it, I just won't buy it but others can do what they want". However, depending on how many ticket they sell, as a PP mentioned, this can negate a regular guests ability to benefit from rope drop, the After a Dark days can ruin the last few hours of park time where the days guests and event guests overlap, and if you're one to AVOID the parks on EMH days. . . . I wonder if any "normal" or recommended days are left. Severely limiting on park strategies.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Not really. Yes, you could always do early ADRs, and maybe get one attraction or so in prior to opening, but you didn't get a full hour in the park with attraction running prior to opening. I don't agree that this is something you could do for free before. Am I likely to do this? No, but this does appeal to me a bit more than the after hours event. At least you get a meal with this one. I do think it should include more attractions especially PFTH. Those lines can get crazy.

That's true, although I think most people use those pre-park ADRs to get pictures of the empty main street and to get in line for the popular attractions.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

If someone paid for Contemporary assuming first shot at a ride at rope drop, that is a value they assigned to the notion, and not a value Disney has ever assigned to that hotel.

If someone books BOG PPO assuming multiple pre-rope drop rides, again, not something Disney has ever promised or promoted as a value of that experience.

So if they "take away" those values, feeling betrayed is a little silly. They never promised anyone these things.

 

[nilla]

If I'm reading the comments correctly, people who previously gained an advantage over guests arriving at rope drop are now annoyed that other people will be gaining an advantage over them?

Did I miss anything?

 

[ArwenMarie]

I really wish we knew the initial/test dates. I'm wondering what a week would look like with regular EMH (if any), After Dark days, and Early Magic (or whatever these are called). I'm all about saying "if I don't like it, I just won't buy it but others can do what they want". However, depending on how many ticket they sell, as a PP mentioned, this can negate a regular guests ability to benefit from rope drop, the After a Dark days can ruin the last few hours of park time where the days guests and event guests overlap, and if you're one to AVOID the parks on EMH days. . . . I wonder if any "normal" or recommended days are left. Severely limiting on park strategies.

Yep, agree

Don't forget all of the Halloween and Christmas parties and how they ruin MK for regular ticket holders

 

[OhioStateBuckeye]

I think my problem with this might depend on how many days of the week this is offered.

I'm a rope drop person and I usually head to Peter pan. Will there even be a point if there are already hundreds of people in line already?

 

[Nancyg56]

I have no real interest in doing this, but for the sake of argument (and I use that word advisedly,)
$69 for admission that includes a full meal is not an outrageous price at all at the current WDW.

I agree. I have no interest, but I don't think that it is a bad idea. This will send the folks who use the early ADR to get a ride on Mine Train over the edge, but honestly, that wa never a promise with a pre park opening breakfast.

I think because breakfast will be served until 10

Yes. Worded badly, but I think that this is true.

I wouldn't do it, but I don't think it's that bad to be honest. You figure an all you can eat breakfast is $30 ish, so you're paying $30 some for riding three rides with little wait. It would be nice if there were a couple more rides open, but it is two of the longest wait attractions in the park. Honestly, to me, the value isn't that bad at all. As for the till 10, even though it's not exclusive until 10, you figure you'd have been on the long wait rides and where most will head at rope drop, so now you can head to maybe BTMRR and splash where there will be little wait, then head back for your breakfast.

I also feel they should stop the pre opening ADR's, or limit them to restaurants where you're paying for everyone in your party. If they allow BOG, make it a per person cost. While I know people are loving the loophole, Disney is stupid to allow it to continue.

Couple complaints I don't get:
Disney nickel and dime people too much- if you don't want to do it, don't. They are offering something extra, not making you pay for something you already do. And if they do end up making BOG per person, they are just making sure people actually eat and not buy a cupcake for 5 people (which is talked about here frequently). Could it be considered nickel and dime? Yeah, but it's being smart.

This is the end of EMH- no one knows, but it's getting annoying reading this over and over in ever thread with new things. I honestly don't see it, even if these events take off, but even if it does happen lets try to remain calm until there is any actual legit rumor of it happening.

I do not think this is the end of anything, I do think that Disney decided to charge for what folks have been taking advantage of for a few years. Next to nothing cost of BOG breakfast when split between a slew of people all in order to jump the gun on the Mine Train.

No one is forced to buy these events. For years, no one ever got on an attraction before the park opened. We waited just like everyone else. Now people are lining up after scarfing down a croissant and moaning if they "only" rode 5 times before the RD folks arrive.

All this will do is allow those people who pay the fee to have access to the attractions that are opened before official RD, and the rest will probably be held behind a rope.

 

[Murfee17]

I will just make fastpasses for 2 out of the 3 rides we actually want to go on and eat a nice, non-hectic, probably tastier breakfast. I would rather put that money towards something I have never done before. I can't make this sound good for our family.

How about if every person that paid that price just wanted to ride the Mine Train over and over? There goes your hour you paid $70 for. I don't think they can guarantee you walk on over and over.

 

[gsp4ever]

I have no real interest in doing this, but for the sake of argument (and I use that word advisedly,)
$69 for admission that includes a full meal is not an outrageous price at all at the current WDW.

Yep. I agree. It's too cheap. Needs to be $169 + tax for adults and 149+tax for kids.

 

[Dan Murphy]

When can everyone else enter the park?

Regular, low-lifes like us, will have regular hours from 11 AM-2 PM, once mid morning, late afternoon and early evening money grabs are added to the current early morning and late evening money grabs.

 

[Robo]

Yep. I agree. It's too cheap. Needs to be $169 + tax for adults and 149+tax for kids.

Yup.
Look what they charge for the so-called "Dessert Parties."

Or for the "Cruises." Sheesh!

 

[Jennasis]

Again, all these 1%'er add ons just feel so gross and leaves a bad taste in my mouth and a feeling of foreboding for the future.

 

[recmouse]

I don't see how that would work.

Me either... but I can't imagine the park opening to everyone else at 10... or can I these days!

 

[DavidNYC]

Pre park ADRs are pretty worthless now.

Overreaction much? That's a kind of ridiculous comment. They're only worthless for people who were trying to game the system by making a pre-park reservation with no intention of actually spending any time eating. For the vast majority of people who actually make pre-park ADRs because they want to eat at Crystal Palace and still be at the rides not long after park opening they're still amazingly worthwhile.

Yes - very annoying that this past month has seen nothing but increased premium programs and reduced regular things but pre-park ADRs are just as good as they've always been for those who actually want breakfast . . .

 

[MakiraMarlena]

Don't think they are looking to "fix" anything. They just believe that guests will pay for this. It's probably true that a lot of guests will.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Overreaction much? That's a kind of ridiculous comment. They're only worthless for people who were trying to game the system by making a pre-park reservation with no intention of actually spending any time eating. For the vast majority of people who actually make pre-park ADRs because they want to eat at Crystal Palace and still be at the rides not long after park opening they're still amazingly worthwhile.

Yes - very annoying that this past month has seen nothing but increased premium programs and reduced regular things but pre-park ADRs are just as good as they've always been for those who actually want breakfast . . .

I think you're wrong. You can have an 8:05 ADR, spend a good amount of time eating and still have quite a few minutes in the park before rope drop.

 

[marciemi]

I'm in advertising.
I understand "overselling in the script."
But, if I wrote a commercial for an event that said "exclusively from 7:45 tp 10AM" and that exclusivity actually ended at 9AM...
I'd be in court within 3 weeks.

Maybe they're "exclusively" allowed in Pinocchio's from 9-10? I guess that's how I'd justify it.

 

[AquaDame]

My immediate thoughts were...
1. Groan, share with husband
2. Check price and details - thats a lot of time for just three rides and we don't know how many people they will open this to. Seems kinda boring...
3. Realize they aren't opening the park later and it sounds like its not on morning EMH days (TBD)
4. Wonder if it was due to Shanghai
5. Wonder if it will help at all with lines for those rides since the 'die hards' may be more likely to book it/ride it until they're sick of it.

Frustration -> acceptance in less than 12 steps. Maybe I'm getting used to this... I love early mornings but I don't personally see the value for us. If they still do normal EMH for onsite then I don't really mind this at all.

 

[Robo]

Me either... but I can't imagine the park opening to everyone else at 10... or can I these days!

Full park admission is ALSO required. Early entry guests can stay in MK after the event.

 

[Crystal824]

That's true, although I think most people use those pre-park ADRs to get pictures of the empty main street and to get in line for the popular attractions.

I think you will still be able to get those empty MainStreet photos or mostly empty. This event is going to draw those people past the Castle into FL. It really depends on how many tickets they sale to this event. You already have three other pre-opening meals happening in MK so empty MainStreet is harder and harder to get.

However, this may eliminate the advantage of getting in line for the most popular attractions especially 7DMT. For me and I have two little kids, I don't make ADRs to get in line at those attractions first. By the time I change diapers and navigate the stroller, we are at the end of the pack of everyone else anyway. We did breakfast at H&V a few weeks ago. We had an 8:05 reservation. We left H&V about 9:10. We checked and TSMM had a line of 45 min. We used our FPs to ride later in the day and moved on to something else.

 

[Robo]

Maybe they're "exclusively" allowed in Pinocchio's from 9-10? I guess that's how I'd justify it.

Court.

3 weeks.

I'm just sayin'

 

[Crystal824]

My immediate thoughts were...
1. Groan, share with husband
2. Check price and details - thats a lot of time for just three rides and we don't know how many people they will open this to. Seems kinda boring...
3. Realize they aren't opening the park later and it sounds like its not on morning EMH days (TBD)
4. Wonder if it was due to Shanghai
5. Wonder if it will help at all with lines for those rides since the 'die hards' may be more likely to book it/ride it until they're sick of it.

Frustration -> acceptance in less than 12 steps. Maybe I'm getting used to this... I love early mornings but I don't personally see the value for us. If they still do normal EMH for onsite then I don't really mind this at all.

I had almost the same reaction.

 

[mom2rtk]

I think it's Disney's response to people complaining that they didn't get their pre-rope drop rides in on 7DMT after an early ADR.

Not everything Disney does is meant to punish naughty guests.

 

[DavidNYC]

Yup. I don't doubt that.
But, that's not what they are saying.

It is (at least on the info quoted) promoted as 7:45 to 10AM.

WHY mention the "10AM?"

They have to mention 10am because if you show up for your included breakfast at 10:01 AM you've missed it and are out of luck.

 

[Tiggerette]

**Zany Speculation Ahead**
If Fantasyland doesn't open to the public until 10am, then the special tickets would have the advantage of two hours. In that scenario, general admission are "losing" 1 hour (9-10am) of their previously paid park time for that particular section.

It's worse for the special ticket evening magic hours where the park may close at 7pm, unless you pay for the opportunity to stay. It's like picking up your filet mignon at the grocer, and at checkout they cut and hold a portion off to buy back at a higher cost. The hours available to general admission are reduced, but the cost of the general admission remains unchanged.

 

[ciera321]

Maybe they're "exclusively" allowed in Pinocchio's from 9-10? I guess that's how I'd justify it.

I thought about this, also, but I can only assume that most people will be riding, then eating. Therefore, PH will be packed....not my idea of fun.

 

[marciemi]

Court.

3 weeks.

I'm just sayin'

Disney has better lawyers than you do? Or maybe that wording will be changed really quickly!

 

[DavidNYC]

I'm in advertising.
I understand "overselling in the script."
But, if I wrote a commercial for an event that said "exclusively from 7:45 tp 10AM" and that exclusivity actually ended at 9AM...
I'd be in court within 3 weeks.

Did Disney use the phrasing "exclusively from 7:45 - 10"? I hadn't seen it phrased like that. If they did - complete agreement. That's very misleading.

 

[IrishNYC]

Don't think they are looking to "fix" anything. They just believe that guests will pay for this. It's probably true that a lot of guests will.

Exactly! They're not trying to fix anything. They see that people are willing to pay extra for early breakfasts in order to get a jump on lines, so now they're giving you a jump on lines and throwing in breakfast.

 

[ArielRae]

They only way our family would do this is if the park opened at 6am for this event so we could have the breakfast first then spend the rest of the time enjoying the rides. Come on evening events get 3-4hrs why not the mornings?

 

[Robo]

Don't think they are looking to "fix" anything. They just believe that guests will pay for this. It's probably true that a lot of guests will.

At just $69... that includes a full breakfast... it's not very expensive by Disney standards.

Look how much they charge for the "Dessert Parties."

 

[Ds4angels]

I think to "outsiders" (people who don't get the value of rope drop) this will seem like a goof idea, ride the 3 rides, eat breakfast at 9 when the park opens (and they won't realize they're loosing shorter lines in the 45 minutes to an hour that they are eating)
My other thought is, they're going to need to up their game for transportation on getting people there in time to use the full 2 hours (actually 1) that they paid for.

 

[Tigerlulu]

I'm just thinking there could still be a fairly good line at the three rides. They will certainly push the number of tickets they sell and three rides doesn't spread a thousand or so people out very far.

 

[Planogirl]

Weird that they're calling this a continental breakfast...

Does anyone else picture them extending the early morning thing and the evening thing to every day if this goes over? They could still have morning EMH but just block off Fantasyland. For now.

 

[HopperFan]

I have no real interest in doing this, but for the sake of argument (and I use that word advisedly,)
$69 for admission that includes a full meal is not an outrageous price at all at the current WDW.

And it is a buffet.

 

[jknc]

If someone paid for Contemporary assuming first shot at a ride at rope drop, that is a value they assigned to the notion, and not a value Disney has ever assigned to that hotel.

If someone books BOG PPO assuming multiple pre-rope drop rides, again, not something Disney has ever promised or promoted as a value of that experience.

So if they "take away" those values, feeling betrayed is a little silly. They never promised anyone these things.

Completely disagree with comments about staying at Contemporary. It's not a promise made but any reasonable person would assume it's an intrinsic value of being so close.

 

[mom2rtk]

At just $69... that includes a full breakfast... it's not very expensive by Disney standards.

Look how much they charge for the "Dessert Parties."

I see what you're saying. But I don't place that much value on breakfast in a counter service restaurant. I'd rather spend my time (and money) in a castle.

 

[Planogirl]

They only way our family would do this is if the park opened at 6am for this event so we could have the breakfast first then spend the rest of the time enjoying the rides. Come on evening events get 3-4hrs why not the mornings?

The evening event is $150 with ice cream and water. This is significantly less.