Disney Classics being remade???

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Its been hinted at in a couple of articles lately that Eisner might be thinking about remaking some or all of the Disney classic into CGI ( a shot for shot type of remake). Even Harry Knowles has picked up on this.. http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=15338

Would this do if for the rest of you Car #1 Car# 2 people. I mean would you finally see that Eisner has just thrown all hopes at being creative out the window . Just curious?
 
Pointless, greedy, unimaginative and the easy way out. But probably will make them some money.
 
Just think about every time that you see a picture of peter pan from now on, it will be this cg version.

This isn't the same as the hulk. A comic book character has many adventures and stories. This isn't about the characters. I have no problem with the Good Times videos of Snow White or Sleeping Beauty or Alladin or the Jungle King. I don't buy them, but I don't care that they exist. It is about the re-making of the Disney version of these stories. A frame by frame retelling of the same story in cg. It is a slap in the face of Walt Disney, and every animator who worked on those stories. It is saying that those classic, beautiful movies (that people still buy on dvd today) aren't done as well as they could be, and our little group of cg animators is going to redo them. The balls of it! The cheap quals were one thing, trying to make a cheap quick buck off of the characters, but this is something else. This is plagiarism, frankly. This is simply disgusting. This is a complete lack of creativity. No, this is worse than that, this is a complete lack of creativity making a mockery, a travesty, out of the art work of people who were truly talented. It is a disgrace. And this is the total cheapening of the brand name of Disney, the most grand sell out. No integrity at all. It is wrong on so many levels.
 

JMHO:
Bad idea
zero creativity
 
I'm smiling from ear to ear over d-r comments. Everything you said it exactly right.....
 
Scoop, maybe you do not understand what we are talking about here.

This isn't a "re-make." This is a frame-by-frame copying of the original films, re-done in CG. Shot for shot. This is pure arrogrance to think that someone can act those characters the way they were originally crafted. I don't care if it is John Lassiter or or the king of Siam doing it, it is spitting on the grave of Walt Disney, Ward Kimball, et al. Look, Walt Disney didn't write the story of Peter Pan. That film isn't the only version of Peter Pan that I've ever seen. We aren't talking about a new version of the story, this is simply copying the film into CG. There is no point to it whatsoever other than to milk a buck or two from the novelty of it. There is no artistic merit at all. No creativity. NOTHING. And that is just from the artistic view point, from the business side this is a horrible plan. Not only does it waste money and the time and energy of animators would could be actually creating something, but it cheapens the value not just of the film itself but of the entire BRAND name.

This isn't like setting "Macbeth" in Nazi Germany, or having a disco singing narrator in "Perecles, Prince of Tyre," or gun-slinging "Romeo and Juliet." Those are reinterpretations of the same story.

Look, I read what this guy said on laugingplace.com, and I really can't say it any better so I'm going to copy it - it is very reasonable and perhaps it will help you to understand what the issue is here:

From actingforanimaters at http://www.laughingplace.com/default.asp?WCI=MsgBoard&WCE=T-36208-P-8&Refresh=0603113223&C=1

...this is not a challenge to the notion of advancing the art by using a different tool, nor is it a call to stop the studio from re-introducing the stories and characters in a new fashion. Such an argument on any of our parts would be foolishly conservative and ignorant, turning a blind eye to how great works can be reinterpreted time and again, or how any single subject in nature or in literature has been painted or rendered by countless artists over the ages. That argument would also - as you properly note - ignore the philosophy of the company's founder.

And I’m not opposed to CG animation. A new film, or even a new interpretation of an old story, in CG is a terrific thing – when done well. But to argue in favor of this Franken-plan of Eisner’s because CG is the best way to appeal to current audiences is terribly short sighted. It’s like saying that any classic work that we want to introduce to younger audiences must be in the medium that is currently most appealing to them. What are we to do when we introduce the great works of fiction to children, put them in Leap-Frog versions or turn them into video games? That’s absurd, don’t you think?

This is not an attempt to stop the advancement of thinking or stay the use of technology in service to art; instead, the clear call to action here is to stop the studio from a very costly act of lazy arrogance, by literally making the same film over again because they think CG is better than the original medium and in this approach believe that the performances can be repeated, the look enhanced, and the quality matched or even improved upon. To argue in favor of that is on par with arguing that a sculptural 3-D version of the Mona Lisa is better than the original because it's more exciting and more advanced. Were the originator of the painting himself alive to make that choice, and daVinci fully participated in the re-creation of the painting in another medium then I'd have no quarrel. But the master craftsmen and artists whose collective efforts resulted in these films have no say in this endeavor. The essence of the characters that we have come to love is greater than simply their design and their coloring, or even just their voices. These characters, as they exist in these films, move as they do and are acted against the scenery we see as a result of choices specific to that finished work. Animation is truly unique among all art forms in that it is the collective vision of a group of people who come together to cement the story they want to tell as they want to tell it. Even theatre - a tradition that I was trained in - changes from night to night. Animated films are finished works - some great, some flawed, some classic. Like all works, regardless of the critical opinion, they are artistic products deserving of respect. To merely copy one in near exactness for commercial gain is less than cloning it - it's turning it into an expensive doormat for the sake of following the fashion of the day, hoping it will result in acclaim.

Financial gain is good, and I want my Disney stock to go up and I want the company to prosper, but not at the expense of the founders' vision and not in lieu of expanding the brand with new characters in new films that challenge today's artists. If they want to re-make Peter Pan or any other of the classic titles, then let them design new characters, new songs, cast new voices, and write new versions of the stories in an attempt to improve. I will not stand here like some crazy zealot attempting to define the Disney version of anything as definitive. In fact, I prefer several other versions of stories that have been rendered by the studio. But copying a work is not re-creating a work - it's incestuous forgery.
 
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This is plagiarism, frankly.
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Huh?

Originally posted by thedscoop
Huh?

Taking the work of others, copying it, and signing your name to it. taking someone else's ideas and presenting them as your own. It is intellectual and artistic dishonesty.
 
There's a difference between another interpretation of Macbeth and a frame by frame remake of Peter Pan.

Yet, I'm not so sure that we can read the dead guy's mind so well as to be 100% confident that he saw his characters as static moments in history.
The man didn't even want to make sequels... "You can't top pigs with pigs". What hint is there that he would ever think that Disney should use new technology to remake its films, and that this was a better idea than using the company's creative resources on something new?

There's nothing wrong with re-telling and re-interpreting a story. After all, that's what Disney did when they made Snow White and Peter Pan. If Lasseter wants to take a crack at it, fine (though its interesting to note he is not taking a crack at it). But Disney has already done it, so why do it again? And further, we aren't even talking about a new interpretation of the story, but a frame by frame remake. How can that even be reasonably compared to somebody taking the original story and providing there own version?
 
I'm not so sure that we can read the dead guy's mind

You can't top pigs with pigs.

They did reanimate some of the old black and white Mickey Mouse shorts in color. Of course that was the same basic set of people. They did chop up some of those old shorts and sell them on 16mm film. Walt loved technology, and Walt knew a thing or two about making a buck - even if he did get excited and teeter on the verge of bankruptcy from time to time. And I'm not sure that in our romaticized visions of Uncle Walt that we don't forget what a great capitalist he was, that he was a showman who knew how to promote things to his audience, that he knew synergy when there wasn't a word for it. He reused video footage, made bogus "documentaries" about disneyland (have you ever seen "Interesting Places"), had sponsorships all over disneyland, tacked dumbo on a basic carnival spinner, milked a character or idea for all it was worth.

But you know what, I don't really care what Walt thinks about this one. I'm telling you what I, D.R. Meece think about it, and I think it is a bunch of crap. The fact that we can't read the dead guy's mind about it is part of the point, don't you think?

DR
 
raidermatt- just for clarity but I was writing mine when you posted yours so my pigs is pigs line wasn't directed at you
 
If that's the case, while I personally don't have any problem with it, I can appreciate the fact that it might be like giving the Mona Lisa a 3-D effect...

Scoop - this weekend, go to the disney store and buy the "Behind the scenes at the Disney Studios" dvd, and try to find a dvd of peter pan. First watch the reluctant dragon, then watch peter pan, make sure to watch the CG tinker bell at the beginning, then come back and see if you still don't have a problem with it. Seriously.

I don't get the Bonds metaphor. Walt did make sequals to the three little pigs. Walt didn't write Snow White or Peter Pan etc. It isn't the idea of retelling the story, it is the demeaning of the care and art that went in to those films by simply copying them in a computerized format. Think about 20K leagues. Jules Verne wrote it. Disney studios told the story. The film that exists is the product of the interaction of Verne's story with Earl Felton, Richard Fleisher, James Mason, Kirk Douglas, Peter Lorre, Paul Lukas, Walt Disney, Ub Iwerks, and a host of people whose names I don't know working on special effects, story, scenary, all sorts of things. That version, for what it is, is perfect. It is what it is. At the time, a record version of it was released that told a watered down version of the story where Captain Nemo just happily gives them a ride and drops them all off in the end. There were book versions of this film and the other "classics" that used still pictures based on the film scenes or the animated characters of the classics, and there still are. There were viewmaster versions of the stories, and today there are videogame versions. It isn't the medium. But should we re-film that exact movie, with the same dialogue, the same camera angles, the same blocking, etc. just to have modern actors in the roles? Of course not. It seems silly. Would it be fun to have a new telling of 20K leagues from the ground up with a new telling of the story, more contemporary approach to the dialog, modern special effects, current actors, new music, and so on? Possibly - it would be a new interpretation of the work, not a copy. Think about the difference between the two planet of the apes films.

DR
 
I realize that its just my opinion, but I see it as being completely insulting to those who created the original films and those who appreciate them.

Melissa
 












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