Discrimination Case Against Universal.

Surprised they have the policy on all rides. I know a few at Disney (like Rock n Roller Coaster) have a safety requirement that you need at least 1 arm and 1 leg - and that comes from the maker of the ride not Disney .... But it is very few
 
http://www.wftv.com/news/9-investig...rlando/435099189?ecmp=wftv_social_twitter_sfp

couldn't Universal doesn't just have her sign some sort of waiver and let her ride?

They can't just let her sign a waiver. Their safety procedures show there is a higher likely hood for injury of both limbs are missing. That would open up a can of worms of people signing these waivers then saying they didn't realize it was "that" dangerous when they ultimately get hurt.

Different limbs but don't forget a few years ago a guy died because he had no legs and a ride op let him on a coaster that said you needed at least one leg. Although he was warned the park still got in trouble.
 

I'm no where near an engineer but I would think that the design of rides are based on biometrics and if you fall out of those (height/weight/arm span/leg length/etc) then they are not safe (or not safety tested). Hence, the standards. But the legal system never ceases to surprise me so we'll see where this goes :I
 
I discuss this briefly on the DDF today, but I will be writing a lengthy blog post with my thoughts on this case later today given my past experience at two of the attractions she was turned away from at Universal.
Can't wait to her your opinions, Craig!
 
I discuss this briefly on the DDF today, but I will be writing a lengthy blog post with my thoughts on this case later today given my past experience at two of the attractions she was turned away from at Universal.

Looking forward to hearing what you have to say since you worked those rides.

Also the "journalist" who wrote the original article and the lawyer are ridiculous. Being a black belt, scuba diving, and being a pilot have nothing to do with your ability to ride a ride. Yes those are all awesome things but I still imagine she still has limitations with in those things as well.
 
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Um, I hardly ever "hold on" while riding rides. There is no rule in place that riders HAVE to always be holding on. This seems like a weird way to argue against people without arms being able to ride.
 
I can see that in an attraction with a shoulder harness, there would be a risk of her falling out of the harness. And rides with lap bars to hold on, while you don't have to hold on for the entire ride, having the bar there gives you the option to grab on for stability.
I agree that the person who wrote the article is presenting it as if she were told she "couldn't handle" the rides, when it seems like a basic issue of safety. Discrimination would be if she were turned away from a restaurant or store - Universal has a responsibility to make sure riders can ride safely. There are some things that a disability does prevent a person from doing, that's the nature of a disability. it's great that she's been able to accomplish a lot of other things in her life. but maybe riding a rollercoaster like the Hulk isn't gong to be one of them .
 
I discuss this briefly on the DDF today, but I will be writing a lengthy blog post with my thoughts on this case later today given my past experience at two of the attractions she was turned away from at Universal.

I just watched the daily fix and wanted to say I thought you expressed your thoughts in a professional manner. Very well stated.
 
I can see that in an attraction with a shoulder harness, there would be a risk of her falling out of the harness. And rides with lap bars to hold on, while you don't have to hold on for the entire ride, having the bar there gives you the option to grab on for stability.
I agree that the person who wrote the article is presenting it as if she were told she "couldn't handle" the rides, when it seems like a basic issue of safety. Discrimination would be if she were turned away from a restaurant or store - Universal has a responsibility to make sure riders can ride safely. There are some things that a disability does prevent a person from doing, that's the nature of a disability. it's great that she's been able to accomplish a lot of other things in her life. but maybe riding a rollercoaster like the Hulk isn't gong to be one of them .

I know nothing of the case, but couldn't they argue, since most of the rides are to an extent "custom", that Universal should make them accessible from the start? If there is a way to make the same rides, but make it more accessible, they might have a point.
 
I know nothing of the case, but couldn't they argue, since most of the rides are to an extent "custom", that Universal should make them accessible from the start? If there is a way to make the same rides, but make it more accessible, they might have a point.

But is it possible to make rides accessible for ALL disabilities, in order to not be discriminatory? I can't see how it's possible to make rides that accommodate ALL body types.
Using the example I gave before - some adults have disabilities interfering with their growth, and are the same height as a child. Is a park "discriminating" by having height requirements for rides? No, because it is about safety. If the park, or ride designers, say that you have the ABILITY to hold on in order to ride safely, then that's the rule. Black belts and pilots licenses don't matter if you get thrown from a ride. From Universal's standpoint (I assume), better to NOT let someone ride, than to face the consequences if someone slips out of a shoulder harness.
 
This is long. For that I apologize but the issue is somewhat complex.

Title III of the ADA prohibits discrimination against any individual with a disability by "public accommodations." This includes theme parks. Certainly, an individual who has no arms has a disability.

Under Title III, “discrimination includes . . . a failure to make reasonable modifications in policies, practices, or procedures, when such modifications are necessary to afford such goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations to individuals with disabilities . . . .” 42 U.S.C. § 12182(b)(2)(A)(ii) (emphasis added).

The Supreme Court explained the meaning of this provision in Spector v. Norwegian Cruise Line Ltd., 545 U.S. 119, 129 (2005):

Eligibility criteria that screen out disabled individuals are permitted when "necessary for the provision" of the services or facilities being offered, §§ 12182(b)(2)(A)(i), 12184(b)(1). Policies, practices, and procedures need not be modified, and auxiliary aids need not be provided, if doing so would "fundamentally alter" the services or accommodations being offered. §§ 12182(b)(2)(A)(ii)-(iii). Auxiliary aids are also unnecessary when they would "result in an undue burden," § 12182(b)(2)(A)(iii). As we have noted, moreover, the barrier removal and alternative access requirements do not apply when these requirements are not "readily achievable," §§ 12182(b)(2)(A)(iv)-(v). Additionally, Title III does not impose nondiscrimination or accommodation requirements if, as a result, disabled individuals would pose "a significant risk to the health or safety of others that cannot be eliminated by a modification of policies, practices, or procedures or by the provision of auxiliary aids or services," § 12182(b)(3).​

Notice that the statute provides it is not discrimination if there is a "significant risk to the health or safety of others." Similar language appears in Title I of the ADA (which governs employment). The provision governing employers states that employers may have a policy which requires employees "not pose a direct threat to the health or safety of other individuals in the workplace." The EEOC interpreted this language to permit employers to have policies which prevent employees from performing tasks that would pose a direct threat to the employee (not just others) and in 2002, the Supreme Court upheld that regulation. Chevron U.S.A. Inc. v. Echazabel, 536 U.S. 73 (2002). The Department of Justice interprets Title III, however, and its regulations do not include a threat to self provision.

Oddly, and this is important, I can find no decision saying that public accommodations (remember, this includes theme parks) can exclude individuals from activities because the activity poses a risk of harm to that individual. At least one district court decision in California has held a public accommodation (a Marriott resort golf course) could not defend an ADA claim on the ground that the requested accommodation would pose too great a risk of harm to the individual. This is the same standard Disney relied upon to ban Segway use in theme parks. Notably, Disney did not argue Segway use posed a risk to the user, it argued the use posed a risk to other guests.

If this interpretation of Title III is correct, the question is how does permitting someone without arms to ride the attractions pose a significant risk to the health or safety of others. (This focus, by the way, shows why getting a waiver wouldn't be helpful. A waiver would only protect Universal if the individual sued. It would not protect Universal if others sued Universal because they were injured because Universal let a disabled individual ride the attraction.)

Universal is not the only theme park to implement a policy of this nature (nor is it the only one to be sued for having this kind of policy). Six Flags changed its policies because in 2011, a military veteran and double-amputee died after being ejected from a roller coaster (not at a Six Flags theme park). An inspector concluded that the veteran's height and lack of lower limbs to brace himself caused the ejection. At least two ADA claims have been filed because of this policy. One decision, from Texas, refused to dismiss a teen's ADA lawsuit because the direct threat defense "cannot apply if the public accommodation can make reasonable modifications for the individual" and Six Flags did not argue it could not make an alternative design. Bench v. Six Flags Over Tex., Inc., No. 3:13-CV-705-P, 2014 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 179313, at *14 (N.D. Tex. July 3, 2014).

In New Jersey, at Six Flags Great America, Six Flags argued that prosthetic limbs had the potential to become projectiles if allowed on certain rides. The court didn't rule on this as an objection because, as in the case at Universal, the guest wanted to ride without any prosthetic limbs. Masci v. Six Flags Theme Park, Inc., Civil Action No. 12-6585, 2014 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 178666, at *34-35 (D.N.J. Dec. 31, 2014).

Both decisions refused to dismiss the lawsuit, holding that there were too many facts in dispute over the whether the policy was based on legitimate safety concerns.

There are two other wrinkles. The Universal "case" has not been filed in court. It is simply a complaint lodged with the Florida Commission on Civil Rights. (This is the same state agency which has ruled against Disney on ADA questions only to have a federal court rule for Disney on the same issue. http://www.disboards.com/threads/disney-faulted-in-disability-access-complaints.3388566/ and http://www.wdwinfo.com/news-stories/federal-court-rules-for-disney-in-lead-dasautism-lawsuit/) I know I have written on this question before but I can't find the post or blog. I recall questioning whether the statutes gave the Florida Commission authority of over claims of this nature (they clearly think they do). in any event, Florida Commission decisions are not binding on Universal (any more than they were binding on Disney). The ADA would have permitted the woman to file suit in court without going to the Florida Commission. if I remember right, the only advantage to first filing with the Florida Commission is that it might permit her to seek damages (something she cannot get under the ADA) if she were later to file a lawsuit alleging an ADA violation and a violation of Florida's disability discrimination law.

The other wrinkle concerns Universal's liability should the disabled guest cause another guest to be injured. If, in fact, the ADA required Universal to permit disabled guests to ride the attractions, Universal could not be successfully sued under state law (which permits personal injury lawsuits) because it had to comply with the ADA. But lawsuits are never this simple. Universal could be sued for not having in place procedures or ride modifications which permitted disabled individuals from riding the attractions in a safe manner. So, if a relatedly simple and cheap "fix" would significantly decrease the risk of harm, then state personal injury laws would let someone who was injured sue Universal despite the fact that Universal had to comply with the ADA.
 
Honestly I could see this on some rides but I find it hard to believe its an issue on all rides.


I haven't been to universal so will use disney rides on examples.
Rock in roller coaster with the shoulder harness I could see, that ride is clearly designed to hold you in at the shoulders and without arms that harness may not work. You could make the argument of harm to others as well since a person falling out of a ride is a projectile that can hurt others.

However a ride like pirates where you just sit there and most people don't hold on at all... or even more something like people mover or small world. No reason those types of rides should have a ban.
 
My personal thoughts-the person suing hadn't run into a situation of this magnitude where she was told "unfortunately no you cannot X". Quite honestly her achievements have nothing to do with her ability to ride a ride but the media focuses on it in order for people to have sympathy towards her.

I can honestly understand where she feels discriminated against and I think it's amazing she's been able to do so much and overcome the adversity but I don't see how it quite fits in that description. Wouldn't any restriction be considered a discrimination then? I mean there are restrictions for safety reasons. For example someone who is under a certain height restriction I suppose could say they were discriminated against if they couldn't ride a ride even if they felt very capable of it-it's for safety that they are not allowed.

Seems like the lawsuit is more of a hurt feelings viewpoint. Just my opinion though.
 
This is long. For that I apologize but the issue is somewhat complex.

Title III of the ADA prohibits discrimination against any individual with a disability by "public accommodations." This includes theme parks. Certainly, an individual who has no arms has a disability.

Under Title III, “discrimination includes . . . a failure to make reasonable modifications in policies, practices, or procedures, when such modifications are necessary to afford such goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations to individuals with disabilities . . . .” 42 U.S.C. § 12182(b)(2)(A)(ii) (emphasis added).

The Supreme Court explained the meaning of this provision in Spector v. Norwegian Cruise Line Ltd., 545 U.S. 119, 129 (2005):

Eligibility criteria that screen out disabled individuals are permitted when "necessary for the provision" of the services or facilities being offered, §§ 12182(b)(2)(A)(i), 12184(b)(1). Policies, practices, and procedures need not be modified, and auxiliary aids need not be provided, if doing so would "fundamentally alter" the services or accommodations being offered. §§ 12182(b)(2)(A)(ii)-(iii). Auxiliary aids are also unnecessary when they would "result in an undue burden," § 12182(b)(2)(A)(iii). As we have noted, moreover, the barrier removal and alternative access requirements do not apply when these requirements are not "readily achievable," §§ 12182(b)(2)(A)(iv)-(v). Additionally, Title III does not impose nondiscrimination or accommodation requirements if, as a result, disabled individuals would pose "a significant risk to the health or safety of others that cannot be eliminated by a modification of policies, practices, or procedures or by the provision of auxiliary aids or services," § 12182(b)(3).​

Notice that the statute provides it is not discrimination if there is a "significant risk to the health or safety of others." Similar language appears in Title I of the ADA (which governs employment). The provision governing employers states that employers may have a policy which requires employees "not pose a direct threat to the health or safety of other individuals in the workplace." The EEOC interpreted this language to permit employers to have policies which prevent employees from performing tasks that would pose a direct threat to the employee (not just others) and in 2002, the Supreme Court upheld that regulation. Chevron U.S.A. Inc. v. Echazabel, 536 U.S. 73 (2002). The Department of Justice interprets Title III, however, and its regulations do not include a threat to self provision.

Oddly, and this is important, I can find no decision saying that public accommodations (remember, this includes theme parks) can exclude individuals from activities because the activity poses a risk of harm to that individual. At least one district court decision in California has held a public accommodation (a Marriott resort golf course) could not defend an ADA claim on the ground that the requested accommodation would pose too great a risk of harm to the individual. This is the same standard Disney relied upon to ban Segway use in theme parks. Notably, Disney did not argue Segway use posed a risk to the user, it argued the use posed a risk to other guests.

If this interpretation of Title III is correct, the question is how does permitting someone without arms to ride the attractions pose a significant risk to the health or safety of others. (This focus, by the way, shows why getting a waiver wouldn't be helpful. A waiver would only protect Universal if the individual sued. It would not protect Universal if others sued Universal because they were injured because Universal let a disabled individual ride the attraction.)

Universal is not the only theme park to implement a policy of this nature (nor is it the only one to be sued for having this kind of policy). Six Flags changed its policies because in 2011, a military veteran and double-amputee died after being ejected from a roller coaster (not at a Six Flags theme park). An inspector concluded that the veteran's height and lack of lower limbs to brace himself caused the ejection. At least two ADA claims have been filed because of this policy. One decision, from Texas, refused to dismiss a teen's ADA lawsuit because the direct threat defense "cannot apply if the public accommodation can make reasonable modifications for the individual" and Six Flags did not argue it could not make an alternative design. Bench v. Six Flags Over Tex., Inc., No. 3:13-CV-705-P, 2014 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 179313, at *14 (N.D. Tex. July 3, 2014).

In New Jersey, at Six Flags Great America, Six Flags argued that prosthetic limbs had the potential to become projectiles if allowed on certain rides. The court didn't rule on this as an objection because, as in the case at Universal, the guest wanted to ride without any prosthetic limbs. Masci v. Six Flags Theme Park, Inc., Civil Action No. 12-6585, 2014 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 178666, at *34-35 (D.N.J. Dec. 31, 2014).

Both decisions refused to dismiss the lawsuit, holding that there were too many facts in dispute over the whether the policy was based on legitimate safety concerns.

There are two other wrinkles. The Universal "case" has not been filed in court. It is simply a complaint lodged with the Florida Commission on Civil Rights. (This is the same state agency which has ruled against Disney on ADA questions only to have a federal court rule for Disney on the same issue. http://www.disboards.com/threads/disney-faulted-in-disability-access-complaints.3388566/ and http://www.wdwinfo.com/news-stories/federal-court-rules-for-disney-in-lead-dasautism-lawsuit/) I know I have written on this question before but I can't find the post or blog. I recall questioning whether the statutes gave the Florida Commission authority of over claims of this nature (they clearly think they do). in any event, Florida Commission decisions are not binding on Universal (any more than they were binding on Disney). The ADA would have permitted the woman to file suit in court without going to the Florida Commission. if I remember right, the only advantage to first filing with the Florida Commission is that it might permit her to seek damages (something she cannot get under the ADA) if she were later to file a lawsuit alleging an ADA violation and a violation of Florida's disability discrimination law.

The other wrinkle concerns Universal's liability should the disabled guest cause another guest to be injured. If, in fact, the ADA required Universal to permit disabled guests to ride the attractions, Universal could not be successfully sued under state law (which permits personal injury lawsuits) because it had to comply with the ADA. But lawsuits are never this simple. Universal could be sued for not having in place procedures or ride modifications which permitted disabled individuals from riding the attractions in a safe manner. So, if a relatedly simple and cheap "fix" would significantly decrease the risk of harm, then state personal injury laws would let someone who was injured sue Universal despite the fact that Universal had to comply with the ADA.

Thank you for such a wonderful explanation! I have absolutely no real opinion on this as I have no frame of reference, but your explanation once again shows me that something that may come across as a "no brainer" to me is actually much more complicated than I thought (that happens to me ALL the time in life! LOL). I really appreciate you taking the time to write all that out, and it was really clearly written as well.
 














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