Disaster on Wonder - My Report

It is really interesting to hear everyone's thoughts on the Medical Center. I will remember next time to not go there unless one of us is near death. (I mean that quite sincerely).
I must say, though, that I am truly, truly, surprised at Rosemary's report of her bad experience with the vow renewal. I know anyone who's been around knows (and is sick of hearing) that my daughter was married on the Wonder. (Castaway Cay).
Cathy Ingel was our co-ordinator on land, and Brent onboard. There was never a time that Cathy didn't take as much time as I needed to answer every question, more than once, several times! They bent over backward for our group of 20...made sure that we were all happy. Brent was with us every step of the way, often before I called him, he seemed to know when he was needed and appeared. I did personally go to Palo (the reception site) and make sure that the tables were how we wanted them, this probably helped. DCL even sent someone out to Heads Up, where the ceremony was, to decorate with the flowers I had made, and laid down a white aisle runner, as my DD didn't care for DCL's red one. The ONLY thing they forgot, (and quite frankly, so did we) were the little bottles of bubbles that we had taken to the ceremony. The cake appeared at Palo as planned...everything was perfect, honest! Brent even showed up to take us down to the ceremony with a box of tissues tucked under his arm...just in case!! I have never been more impressed or pleased with service in my entire life, and trust me, I've been to some incredibly upscale resorts, etc.
I am sooo sorry to hear that things did not go well, Rosemary. Please do not think this is the norm for DCL. I don't blame you at all for wanting to have Disney make things right....I just wanted to say that there must have been some really crazy things going on for it to have been so bad for you. As for the Captain, I thought perhaps he might stop by for a photo with the couple, but it was never asked for, promised or expected...and we were cruising during "Hurricane Isabel"....so he more than had his hands full.
I hope if you do decide to cruise again, Rosemary, that you'll give DCL another chance.
 
Hi there,

I can remember reading the report on your daughter's lovely wedding on Castaway Cay, and how good Brent was. I am so pleased it went well it sounded so beautiful.

When we first met Brent I told him about the good reports I had read about him on this board and felt that I already knew him. I also told him about your daughters wedding, and he remebered it well.

We have been Disney fans for a long time and know how they can make things so magical, so I am mystified as to what went wrong on this occasion.

In the UK we do not have any information on the Cruise Line let alone the Vow Renewals, so i was totally dependent on Cathy Ingles, and their web site of course. I felt that I had no control over the planning stage and when I emailed Cathy, it could take her a week or more to reply, and when she did, she never answered all my questions. I believe that every bride should be made to feel that her wedding is the only one and special. I had read reports about other people's vow renewals that went really well too.

Perhaps Disney will come back with some answers - I am sill waiting on them!

To anyone who has a wedding or vow renewal coming up and reading my sorry story, please remember that this doesn't happen very often and this is not normal for Disney so please don't let it dishearten you - just make sure you enjoy every minute, it will go so fast - and don't forget to 'wish upon a star and all your dreams will come true' and you will have a real magical time!

Rosemary
 
Oh dear, I am almost in tears for you--I can just feel your frustration and disappointment!

I hope your next vacation will be much, much better!
 
Sorry to hear of your troubles. I probably would have went off on someone if I was planning something special for my spouse and that many things went wrong without a really good reason.

I also want the captain to look out for the ship, but he finds time to do merchandise signings. If it was something unusual, send someone else or just say so.

I wish you better luck on any future Disney adventures.
 

I was also married in a FairyTale wedding, and althought everything turned out great, Cathy was less then reachable. Luckily I am a laid back person, and we were pretty much sticking to what was provided, but almost all our planning was done once we were actually on board. We were on the Magic, so we did not deal with Brent, but I can totally understand how things could have gone bad.
 
Dear everyone,

Once again, thank you so much for all your sympathetic replies, it means so much, you guys are just great

Bestest wishes to you all for a magical time wherever you go in Disney.

Rosemary
 
Rosemary
so sorry your cruise was so 'off course' I can imagine how much disappointment you feel over the wedding vows renewal being not as expected..and the becoming Mickey's inmate on the cruise was really horrible. I haven't researched it yet..but I believe other cruise lines give passengers some type of compensation if they agree to quarantine..or leaving ship at 1st port in case of norwalk...seems there should be something given in return for your cooperation. Did you have travel insurance? I wonder if there is a clause for having to be a prisoner on the ship???

meanwhile..thanks for the heads up. We will be on the Wonder 2/12 for just a 3 night quickie... I will eat the whole package of immodium and they will have to bring me on a stretcher if I would require medical treatment. They need to have some better way to diagnois (sp??) norwalk if they are going to deprive passengers of their long awaited cruise experience. Anyone can have the mild symptoms that you had with out any viral process..just the change in water , food and excess!

Glad your Dad is better and hope you can in the future have the trip that you dreamed of!

Good luck to you
Chris Mitchell
 
just did some searching and found this article about Royal Caribbean's policy...there were people stating that Royal Caribbean didn't follow it tho regarding on board and post cruise compensation. Article was originally part of the cruise news daily (CND) newsletter but found on another cruise travel board.

Part of the CDC guidelines say that the infected
person should be isolated (remain in their cabin), so
Royal Caribbean encourages them to do so. When they
report being ill, they are given a letter that explains
that Royal Caribbean wants the passenger to stay in
his/her cabin so as to lessen the chances of infecting
other passengers. And the letter lays out what Royal
Caribbean will do for them if they will sequester
themselves.
For one thing, it sounds like the only thing better
would be having Mom there. They will deliver all their
meals to the cabin, and the passenger can watch all the
movies they want on tv (for free). Royal Caribbean also
provides free medical services, and offers them future
cruise credits (the amount is determined on a case-by-
case basis), so even though they are missing the days of
their vacation while they are sick, it's not costing them
anything.
If they'd be more comfortable, they can disembark at
the next port, and Royal Caribbean will cover the cost of
a hotel for a couple of days until they are well enough
to travel home, the cost of medical services in the port
city and the cost of rearranging their transportation
home from that port.
Royal Caribbean spokesperson Lynn Martenstein told CND
that most of the customers are responsible people and do
the right thing, staying put in their cabin until they
are no longer infectious and then coming back and
enjoying a cruise some other time.
She also said that contrary to the way some of the
news reports are colored, Royal Caribbean does not
"quarantine" the passengers in their cabin, nor do they
require them to disembark at the next port. It's all up
to the passengers; it is strictly voluntary. Royal
Caribbean does not post guards outside the people's
cabins, nor do they have hall monitors as some have
reported. Staying in the cabin is the passenger's
decision.
All the while, Royal Caribbean is also following the
CDC's other guidelines, cleaning and disinfecting public
areas, and especially the cabins of passengers who have
exhibited symptoms of illnesses.
While being sick with stomach flu is absolutely no
fun, it sounds like you couldn't ask for a better place
to be sick than on a cruise ship, and it certainly
doesn't seem to be the brutal treatment some of the
general media stories would have you believe.

Chris Mitchell
 
This was a nightmare! From the wedding to the quarantine - how could anyone make anything special/magical out of this horrible experience.

Thank you so much for sharing this with us - again, a case of "buyer beware"!

Rae
 
OMG, that is just awful! I want to cry for you. :(
The vow renewal went bad enough- but the quarantine ALSO has me thinking I won't be reporting any diarrhea or vomiting unless I think we're REALLY ill. I know with my DH it doesn't take much change in his diet (even one meal) for him to get diarrhea- and with us both on Atkins for so long and totally endulging on the cruise- we're liable to have some intestinal issues! How horrible to be quarantined for 2 days- including Castaway Cay! :( :( :(

We were considering doing the vow renewal on our cruise. We wanted to on our recent WDW at the Garden Grill but were told they no longer did that there. But after reading this- I think we'd be better off saving our money for something else!
 
Hm, sounds like you might of had some sort of food poisoning. I have had Norwalk virus and believe me you do not recover quite that fast. You can recover that fast if something you ate disagreed with your system. I think we too will stay clear of the medical facilities. We don't need the waiters, or room stewards making a diagnosis and passing that on either. Just because someone might vomit or have a bout with running to the toilet does not indicate Norwalk. Sounds like you do need some sort of compensation from DCL, even if it is just to get refunded for items you did not receive. I wouldn't blame you if you never cruised with them again.

I do agree DCL needs caution because Norwalk spreads quickly but that doctor can not make a disgnosis of Norwalk by a simple pressing of one's tummy. If I eat wheat, look out, I have Norwalk symptoms. Am I contagious, no, it is just my reaction to the gluten in the wheat. Lesson learned here, don't go to the medical center on the ship unless you absolutely have to. Good Luck. Kathy
 
Originally posted by Gina
I sure hope that at least a few heads roll over what happened on your cruise, Rosemary...

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Rosemary,,
First as to your vow renewal , I agree completely that this was not handled properly and feel that DCL owes you at the least an explaination of what happened and why things went so wrong. I also agree with what you said about the captain, if he is to busy then he should not be advertised as part of the plan. My apologizes to you regarding the vow renewal. However I can not agree with the other DIS members on the support they have given you on the illness. While I completely understand how disappointed you were with being isolated! Trust me I know because I was also on my cruise in Nov. But read below to understand why disagree.



"Things got worse: The next day, after a day of over indulgence in food, the food at Palo was excellent by the way, I woke with a slight tummy upset - nothing much - a few episodes of diarrhoea and a little nausea. Notification in the cabin said if you are ill ring the medical centre for a 'free assessment' - so I did - what a big mistake that was. They said I had to go and see the doc. By the time I got there I was greatly improved - the whole episode of my illness lasted about 3 hours, - the doc asked me a few questions pressed my tummy and told me I had the Norwalk and would be confined to my cabin for 48 hours!!!! What!!!! We had just docked at Castaway Cay on a four day cruise, last year I miised Castaway because it couldn't dock!! Sorry he said, you have to stay in your cabin for 48 hours - which would be 9 am on disembarkation day!!!! He said I couldn't 'mingle' on board. I was feeling 90% better and improving all the time and was sure it was only because I had over indulged the day before!!"


Ok I guess I am going to be flamed for my responses here , but I feel like it must be said. I have IBS..lets get that out of the way so diareaha can be a daily thing for me regardless of norwalk or not . However I am pretty good at knowing when the ibs is acting up, if I have been stressed out...etc. I too read the note that is posted everywhere about reporting all illnesses to the infirmary. On Monday of the cruise both my nephew and I had diareah and a fever. I knew that we had to go , and I knew what the deal would be. Had I thought that it was from eating to much rich food/over indulging..etc I would not have gone. I believe that there must have been something that prompted you to go to the ships drs. I found the infirmary well staffed, friendly, and knowageable. The dr told me that the "big" norwalk outbreak was started by one lady that infected an entire plane full of people and a lot of fellow cruisers. How could I , knowing that I was indeed sick take a risk at being responsible for others getting sick and ruining their cruise also? I know how disappointed I was that we had to stay in the cabin, but it was the "RIGHT" thing to do.

"So there I was, confined. Guest services did do their best to make me as comfortable as possible."

Yes Guest services will do all they can to make it ok for you. I found that they went above and beyond the call of duty!


"he next day, I called Brent and asked what the chances were of my being let out as I was well. He said it was up to the discretion of the medical centre. 'Oh no Madam - you must stay in your cabin for 48 hours', came the reply. I said I would wear gloves, mask, or anything else, keep out of everyone's way, only use the toilet in our cabin, and not eat or drink except in our cabin. 'No madam, it is law you have to stay in your cabin for 48 Hours' (as mentioned earlier this would take me to 9 am on disembarkation day). They were not prepared to examine me again, or come to any contingency at all, they would just not bend the rules at all. I can quite understand that they did not want me infecting their ship and also the other guests, and If I had been vomiting and diarrahoea all day and really ill I could have understood it, but what I had was so, so mild, and I did not believe I had the Norwalk - anyway, how many other people were walking around the ship with an 'over indulgent' tummy and not even told them!!! I couldn't undrstand, how my family were allowed into my 'infectious environment' and then allowed to go around the ship - same goes for the staff that came into my room!!"

I feel that it has nothing to do with Bret to make the decision as to weather you are allowed out or not. Imigration laws require all non us citizens to report before the ship can be cleared. If you did not report this would hold up the entire ship. Also once of ship laws are different. For example while we were not allowed off the ship at nassua we could go off at freeport due to a 24 hour requirement by the bahamas(however we were to ill to do so). Staff that enter your room...well because I became close to our room stewart I learned that staff is not allowed into the room unless they are from the health center, when we were in the room and a man came to clean our room he wore protective gloves, used special cleaning supplies , and trash was placed in the red plastic bags. He said that his job and that of several other stewards is just to handle the cabins with medical isolation. They are trained...recieve special medical care to make sure that they dont get sick. Food services, also have to follow this same rule...the room server that came with our food advised me that they have to follow rules after coming to my room...hand washing...not touching doors in public areas...etc. Guest services also does this.

The said I was to go to immigration, then go back to my cabin and have my breakfast in my room and then a different nurse said I could go to breakfast in the dining room - 'But I will be breaking the law' - they didn't care they just wanted me off their ship.

This is not true, there is no room service availible to ANY guest availible on departure. Even in the Roy suites! Its simply not possible.

I was so, so upset, that they expected me to stick to the law until it suited them! I became very angry and told them if they insisted I stay in my cabin for 48 hours and that was what I was going to do, and if they wanted me off the ship before 9 am they would have to carry me off and I was not going to immigration at 6 am, they would have to stick to their laws, and come to me! I was so adamant.

I find this immature...I know you were disappointed but PLEASE!
Like I said bring on the flames people...but I have a right to my feelings. Like I said, I do feel bad for you Rosemary....I was there with you, but I made the best out of a horrible situation, and I would NEVER treat anyone the way you describe below.


The next day, I did go to immigration, and was angry, so I made a point of telling them at immigration and ohers that 'Disney had let me out to infect everyone with the Norwalk'.

How horrible of you! Think of people around you that may have heard you. Is this really the way to behave?

I then went to collect the photographs from shutters - we had upgraded our photo package to $499 which included 54 photographs. My daughter and I spent over an hour writing all the numbers down, Shutters were delighted that we had written the numbers down as it saved them lot of work.

I agree again with you..this was not good, and you deserve a response.

When they gave me the photo's - I couldn't believe it - every one was WRONG!!!! They had printed 54 incorrect photographs - this was just too much - I checked that we had put the right numbers on, and we had - the man wanted me to stay and go through it all again - I was just so angry and upset, I became very irate - I shouted I wasn't going to stay, he can sort it out, anway I didn't want to infect him with Norwalk, even tho Disney had said Iwas allowed out before my 48 hours quarantine was up!!!!

But I still wouldnt have done that..screaming...telling everyone that I had norwalk....

I went straight to Guest Services and demanded to see Brent - who of course wasn't there - this only added to my frustration - and I started shouting - the poor young lady behind the desk was almost in tears - I know it wasn't her fault directly. I went to get some coffee telling everyone on the way that I was infecting the ship (Please folks, if I thought I was in any way infectious, I do have a heart, and would not have put anyone, particularly the children at risk and would have stayed in my cabin).

Then why did you act that way and do what you did? I dont understand. Why did you tell people on the way to get coffee that you were infecting the ship?????????


Day in Rainforest Spa - Brent never knew about this and had to check with the office - we did receive the day, but of course couldn't use it!!!

I hope that they will refund this for you as it was a mistake.

Ok...Now I know I am putting myself out there. But I have been where she was. And I agree 100% on the following...it was disapppointing. The vow renewal got messed up and on the shutters and the rainforest.

To all that may get sick on board all I can ask is that you do the right thing, if I prevented even one person from getting sick I did the right thing.
Aimee


"getting the flame resistant suit ready to go!"
 
(too afraid of fire these days)...

Rosemary, I am so sorry for your frustration. Since you weren't really sick, I'm sure the rest of situation just added insult to injury. (On top of your horrible vow renewal ceremony). I'm impressed that you kept your outbursts to a minimum - I would have been postal.

If you need any help writing a letter, let me know. I do this sort of thing for a living (write, that is). Also, when I had a bad (but not nearly as bad as yours) cruise for my honeymoon (on Carnival), I got a free cruise from both my travel agent and Carnival for my troubles.

On another note, DH will likely have diarrhea on this trip (like Kathy, he can't have wheat), and I'll be sure to have enough Immodium and Pepto so that we don't even have to set foot near the infirmary. It's situations like this that will end up hurting DCL more than the Norwalk virus ever could.

(Running to stock up on Immodium and Purell)
 
I must say that I am surprised. Everything went wrong? Did you ask for a refund? I have seen others get flamed on this board for less. I have read your post with a grain of salt.
 
Aimee

Yes you are entitled to your opinion, but if you had just spent $1000 on the vow renewal, $1000 plus on dresses/suits, plus extras for flowers etc and then just paid an additional $499 for the photographs that were wrong - you would be angry too - if you weren't you must be a saint!

The above costs did not include the cost of the cruise - that was extra!

You were lucky you were too ill to want to stay in your cabin - I felt fine and had to look at Castaway Cay from the verandah (thank goodness for the verandah).

The staff that came into my room were the regular cleaning staff, concierge, Brent, not as you state - all from the medical centre and specialised!!

I know that room service is not available on the day of disembarkation - so why was I told to go back to my room for breakfast?

I know all about immigration needing to be complete before disembarkation - but it was their law/rules not to come out the cabin for 48 hours that they insisted I stuck too?

Why did I contact the Health Centre? - I am currently undergoing tests for cancer of the bowel (do not have the results yet) - so my fears were heightened when I awoke with diarrhea and I felt I was entitled to some medical care.

Do you think I enjoyed telling people I was infecting the ship (which I wasn't)? I was not screaming as you put it but yes I was angry and raised my voice, once or twice!

......................perhaps it was you who infected the ship and it was your bugs that made me sick!!


Rosemary

PS....perhaps when this thread ends we will all know how to spell diarrhea!
 
Hi everyone

Just to let you know

I have written to Disney and still awaiting their reponse, as soon as I hear from them I will let you know.

Thanks for all the offers of help etc, it is greatly appreciated

Take care everyone.

Rosemary
 

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