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Netflix Aims to Join the $1 Trillion Club
Streaming service shares financial performance targets with staff that underscore its dominance

by Jessica Toonkel and Suzanne Vranica
April 14, 2025 - 4:37 pm EDT

Netflix NFLX aims to achieve a $1 trillion market capitalization and double its revenue by 2030, ambitious goals that show its growing heft as the largest global streamer.

Executives were optimistic about the company’s growth prospects at the streamer’s annual business review meeting last month, despite growing concerns on Wall Street about the economy and trade-policy uncertainty. They shared with senior staff ambitious goals for revenue, ad sales and operating income by 2030, according to the people who attended the meeting.

Netflix, home to shows such as “Adolescence” and “Black Mirror,” aims to double revenue from $39 billion last year and earn about $9 billion in global ad sales by 2030, according to people who attended the meeting. Netflix doesn’t disclose its ad revenue, but research firm eMarketer estimates that U.S. ad revenues for the streaming giant will top $2.15 billion this year.

Executives also have a goal of tripling Netflix’s operating income by 2030 from $10 billion last year, according to one of the people.

The streamer, which currently has a market capitalization of almost $400 billion, has bolstered its fortunes in recent years by limiting password sharing, carefully raising prices and starting an ad business. While rivals struggle with ailing cable businesses and work to grow their direct-to-consumer services, Netflix has cemented its lead. Shares in the company are up more than 50% over the past 12 months.

The company, which had 301.63 million global subscribers at the end of last year, wants to end 2030 with around 410 million, that person said.

Last quarter—the final period in which Netflix plans to disclose net new subscribers—it added 18.9 million subscribers globally. Attracting new customers in the U.S., a crowded market, has added urgency to streamers’ international growth plans.

Netflix executives have told staff they plan to focus on increasing subscribers overseas, particularly in markets with high broadband penetration such as India and Brazil, some of the people said.

While Netflix has so far been insulated from the worst of the market tumult related to President Trump’s tariffs, further market volatility could complicate its growth ambitions. Advertisers are bracing for a significant downturn because of the tariffs, which could throw the U.S. economy into a recession and cause ad spending to plunge.

Executives at Netflix’s March meeting—before Trump unveiled steep tariffs—acknowledged the potential for a U.S. recession. Still, they said streaming could be less affected if people stay home to watch shows and movies, instead of going to theaters or out to dinner, people at the meeting said.

The company’s ad-supported tier, which launched in November 2022, started off slow but has gained momentum lately. Some 43% of U.S. customer sign-ups in February were for the ad-supported tier, compared with 40% in January, according to subscription research firm Antenna.

Although Netflix’s ad business is still in its infancy, MoffettNathanson analyst Robert Fishman said recently in a note to investors that it is “starting to gain scale,” which should unlock a new runway of growth in the business. Netflix is expected to largely replace Microsoft, its initial partner, with its own ad tech in the U.S. this month.

Netflix successfully wooed brands with the addition of live sports and benefited from reducing its ad rates last year, bringing rates closer to other streaming services, ad buyers said.

Netflix, along with its streaming rivals and TV networks, is gearing up for the annual ad selling season that starts in earnest next month. Netflix is expected to hold a glitzy presentation for advertisers at the Perlman Performing Arts Center in New York City on May 14.

Write to Jessica Toonkel at jessica.toonkel@wsj.com and Suzanne Vranica at Suzanne.Vranica@wsj.com
 
I like how they think people will just go longer since there is more to do, more like they will shift from one to the other, people don't have infinite vacation monies.
 
General consensus is a rising theme park tide will lift all boats:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/15/universal-epic-universe-park-economic-impact.html

Universal’s new Epic Universe park set to generate $2 billion for Florida in year one​

Will be interesting to see how that pans out and may need to be done by more domestic tourists if trends continue. For March, international travel to the U.S. excluding Canada/Mexico was down almost 12%. Canada was down closer to 75%.
 
General consensus is a rising theme park tide will lift all boats:
It's almost like that's what Disney has been saying all along, and what happened when IOA opened, the Potterverses opened, etc.

I like how they think people will just go longer since there is more to do
I don't think that's the explanation so much as more people come to Orlando. There are lots of different categories. Some people will convert a resort day to a park day. Some people will move a Disney park day to Universal (or a Disney park trip to Universal). Some people will come to Orlando specifically for Epic---and would not have come otherwise---and some of those will tack on a day at Disney.

And yes, in absolute terms it may not go up, but in relative terms it will be better for everyone than it would have been if Epic had not been built.

(And before anyone accuses me of being a Disney sycophant, I am an equal opportunity amusement park fan, and have owned UOAPs more than a few times over the years.)
 
Will be interesting to see how that pans out and may need to be done by more domestic tourists if trends continue. For March, international travel to the U.S. excluding Canada/Mexico was down almost 12%. Canada was down closer to 75%.
I thought I saw a Canadian travel drop 17% mentioned for March in a few articles, what was the 75% referring to?

And to put it in perspective, our resident chartist @clarker99 , showed that about 3M visitors to FL, out of 150M total, are Canadian.

 
I thought I saw a Canadian travel drop 17% mentioned for March in a few articles, what was the 75% referring to?

And to put it in perspective, our resident chartist @clarker99 , showed that about 3M visitors to FL, out of 150M total, are Canadian.

It’s a bit of forward looking but here’s one:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-canada-flight-bookings-fall-104400058.html
 
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Ahh, that's looking at forward bookings not just March. Interesting to see where the actuals land, will we major discounting to fill seats and hotel rooms to help recover some?
That’s possibly a part of why the D+ offer came out for June/July with basically 2009 room rates.
 
I have been going back over Disney's last earnings report and call from Q1FY25 to get ready for the Q2 call in May.

It is super easy to forget that Disney is coming off the best total operating income quarter $DIS has ever reported, the best quarter ever from Experiences and the best rolling 4 quarter operating income ever. Lol.

Feels like we have lived a lifetime since that report.

As we head into earnings season it will be intriguing to hear how CEO's and CFO's approach this uncertainty that has been dropped on them. Guidance from all industries will be very intriguing as so much is still up in air and quite unclear.
 
It's almost like that's what Disney has been saying all along, and what happened when IOA opened, the Potterverses opened, etc.


I don't think that's the explanation so much as more people come to Orlando. There are lots of different categories. Some people will convert a resort day to a park day. Some people will move a Disney park day to Universal (or a Disney park trip to Universal). Some people will come to Orlando specifically for Epic---and would not have come otherwise---and some of those will tack on a day at Disney.

And yes, in absolute terms it may not go up, but in relative terms it will be better for everyone than it would have been if Epic had not been built.

(And before anyone accuses me of being a Disney sycophant, I am an equal opportunity amusement park fan, and have owned UOAPs more than a few times over the years.)
Your analysis/argument is better, they literally said extend stays.

Typically, both Universal and Disney receive patronage from those visiting Orlando, especially from guests who are traveling from out of state or from other countries. Having the additional park means many will extend their vacations to allow more time to experience Epic Universe alongside Universal’s three other theme parks and Disney’s four theme parks.

“What we do know is every day that someone extends their stay, that is millions of dollars worth of economic impact for our community,” Matej said.
 
I would rather gouge out my eyes than subscribe to a streaming service with ads.
Coming back to this....

I've been meaning to switch to Kagi search for some time, and this thread reminded me that it was high time. It's paid search---for most people, probably $5/month would cover it.

"But Brian," you ask, "why in heaven's name would I pay for search when Google will do it for free?"

When an Internet service is free, you are the product. And, Google's search results have become more cluttered and less useful for a while now. I swtiched to Duck Duck Go well over a year ago to at least use a privacy-first engine, and that has been better. But, there are also times when DDG isn't quite good enough.

So, we'll see how Kagi works out. I'm actually giving the Ultimate plan a spin, as I also want to see if it is useful to have an LLM help me at work with programming tasks. Several of my grad students swear by Claude, so I figure adapt or die.
 
Coming back to this....

I've been meaning to switch to Kagi search for some time, and this thread reminded me that it was high time. It's paid search---for most people, probably $5/month would cover it.

"But Brian," you ask, "why in heaven's name would I pay for search when Google will do it for free?"

When an Internet service is free, you are the product. And, Google's search results have become more cluttered and less useful for a while now. I swtiched to Duck Duck Go well over a year ago to at least use a privacy-first engine, and that has been better. But, there are also times when DDG isn't quite good enough.

So, we'll see how Kagi works out. I'm actually giving the Ultimate plan a spin, as I also want to see if it is useful to have an LLM help me at work with programming tasks. Several of my grad students swear by Claude, so I figure adapt or die.
The past 6 months or so I have been switching to AI for basic search instead of Google or DuckDuckGo. I do not accept the text response at face value, but the machines provide a list of web pages they used to generate their responses. Usually they are on point, and get me what I was looking for better than basic search engines. I've been using mostly ChatGPT and Grok.
 
Personally, I will be interested if they start to write down losses on Capt America. With next quarter almost certainly having a massive write down for Snow White, they are going to need to have same major PR to keep people from totally panic out.
 
Personally, I will be interested if they start to write down losses on Capt America. With next quarter almost certainly having a massive write down for Snow White, they are going to need to have same major PR to keep people from totally panic out.
I don’t expect much talk or concern on it, they’ll express confidence in Stitch, Fantastic Four for the summer slate and just not really do to much to acknowledge Cap or Snow White.

Theatrical revenue itself was about 6% of the total entertainment revenue for FY24, and was the same for Q1 FY25. While it’s a talking point, Disney kind of uses theaters more as marketing tools for their other ventures than a major revenue generator on its own.
 
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/netf...es-company-reiterates-guidance-200605622.html

Netflix stock rises as earnings top estimates, company reiterates guidance
by Alexandra Canal · Senior Reporter
Thu, April 17, 2025 at 3:06 PM CDT

Netflix (NFLX) stock climbed in after-hours trading on Thursday after the company reported earnings that beat expectations on both the top and bottom lines and also reiterated full-year revenue guidance.

Here's what Netflix reported for the first quarter compared to Bloomberg consensus estimates.

Revenue: $10.54 billion versus $10.50 billion expected and $9.37 billion last year; Netflix's guidance: $10.42 billion
Earnings per share: $6.61 versus $5.68 expected and $5.28 last year; Netflix's guidance: $5.58

The company guided to revenue for the current quarter above Wall Street expectations, forecasting Q2 revenue of $11.04 billion compared to the $10.88 billion analysts polled by Bloomberg had expected.

For full-year 2025, the company reiterated its prior forecast of $43.5 billion to $44.5 billion revenue growth and operating margins of 29%.
 
Personally, I will be interested if they start to write down losses on Capt America. With next quarter almost certainly having a massive write down for Snow White, they are going to need to have same major PR to keep people from totally panic out.
Box office success or failure does not move the stock in any meaningful way. Analysts don't ask questions or even care. Streaming growth and to a lesser extent domestic experiences are really the narratives of the day. Analysts are really going to be looking for rest of year guidance from $DIS, given all the travel and tariff talk.
 












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