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[HokieRaven5]

Don't tell Brian, he will be down in the dumps again.

Yeah I’ll remind him that Paramount Global has lost $ (-$42M) since releasing Maverick, which is what my post shares.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

It is happening with every studio, not just Disney.

The Flash, Ruby Gillman, Dungeons and Dragons, Shazam, Air, Renfield, Transformers among the big names to lose a lot of money. No one talks about those studios streaming services being the cause for the losses like people talk about for Disney Plus.

This is a Disney investor board, so maybe that is why. Disney+ has lost $4 billion dollars the last year, so I struggle with the whole put the underperforming movie over on Disney+ and it will make money discussion. This is the way I see it. If you are $100 Million loss at the box office and then dump it to Disney+, you have two options. Disney+ over pays for the movie rights and Disney+ loses more money. Or Disney+ plus under pays for the movie rights, and then Disney Theatrical losses more money. They are both still loses for the investors.

Also DC is an absolute dumpster fire that is in the process of being completely rebooted. People will simply ignore it until the guy they hired away from Marvel puts out his first movie. It's literally a dead studio walking until then.

 

[BrianL]

Yeah I’ll remind him that Paramount Global has lost $ (-$42M) since releasing Maverick, which is what my post shares.

HA - I don't much care that Top Gun did well - in fact I think it was a great driver of people to theaters and that's GREAT! I have never even said that I dislike the movie. I dislike Tom Cruise and therefore don't care about the movie. I have seen it too and I think it's a dumb movie - but a lot of movies that I like are dumb. That's okay - sometimes that's what you want to watch, a good, dumb movie.

 

[RivShore]

The great Michael Jordan once was asked to pick a side in a political argument and refused to. His reason for refusing to wade into a sociopolitical topic was simple but really profound. "Republicans buy sneakers too".

And even more relevant to our discussion, I had posted this in the thread over a year ago:

Really interesting article in the NY Post last week about the Disney family and the company's history with p....since it's all about the p word I am reluctant to link it here but this quote is relevant to the recent discussion...somehow the company and their PR department lost this wisdom...

“Mickey Mouse is not a Republican or a Democrat,” said Joe Shapiro, who headed up Disney’s political lobbying, in an interview with CNN in 1998. “If you take a strong position either way, you are looking at offending roughly half of the people.”

And as a reminder keep the p word to a minimum here, it got our original thread shut down!

 

[HokieRaven5]

HA - I don't much care that Top Gun did well - in fact I think it was a great driver of people to theaters that's GREAT! I have never even asid that I dislike the movie. I dislike Tom Cruise and therefore don't care about the movie. I have seen it too and I think it's a dumb movie - bit a lot of movies that I like are dumb. That's okay - sometimes that's what you want to watch, a good, dumb movie.

Yep, nothing wrong with enjoying a mindless popcorn flick. They make $ too. Transformers movies used to make over $1B.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

And even more relevant to our discussion, I had posted this in the thread over a year ago:


And as a reminder keep the p word to a minimum here, it got our original thread shut down!

Point taken, and thanks for the heads up.

 

[BrianL]

Yep, nothing wrong with enjoying a mindless popcorn flick. They make $ too. Transformers movies used to make over $1B.

Yeah, but the Transformers movies were pretty bad though - not just dumb, but bad with a lack of heart and a completely misunderstanding of the characters. On the plus side, they didn't have Tom Cruise in them, so they have that going for them.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Yeah, but the Transformers movies were pretty bad though - not just dumb, but bad with a lack of heart and a completely misunderstanding of the characters. On the plus side, they didn't have Tom Cruise in them, so they have that going for them.

Can't be much help with this one. Loved transformers toys and cartoons as a kid, but the movies are hot garbage to me. I watched an early one, but I don't think I have seen one since. They normally do really well in Asia right?

Same way with the Heman Series recently on Netflix. Not sure I can ever forgive Kevin Smith for what he did to Heman. Really liked Kevin Smith before that though.

 

[BrianL]

Can't be much help with this one. Loved transformers toys and cartoons as a kid, but the movies are hot garbage to me. I watched an early one, but I don't think one since. They normally do really well in Asia right?

They do indeed do well in Asia. I too hated them. I would have walked out of the first one if I had driven my own car. Pretty much when Bernie Mac flipped someone off, I was out, but I still had to watch a Transformer pee on someone. Man, there is dumb, and then there is DUMB.

 

[HokieRaven5]

They do indeed do well in Asia. I too hated them. I would have walked out of the first one if I had driven my own car. Pretty much when Bernie Mac flipped someone off, I was out, but I still had to watch a Transformer pee on someone. Man, there is dumb, and then there is DUMB.

Saw the first one for free, even then I overpaid.

 

[BrianL]

Saw the first one for free, even then I overpaid.

This should be Hollywood's new strategy - make movies that are so bad people will pay NOT to watch them!

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Back to the topic of Budgets. Make Elemental for $100 Million and then spend $50 Million or less on marketing and you likely have a profitable movie as is. I still think the inflated production budgets are mainly to blame for the bad theatrical financial performances as of late.

I love high art occasionally. You just have to make sure you do that with lower budgets to make them financially viable. Hamilton is one of my favorite things on Disney+, and I have also seen it on Broadway twice. Pretty controversial when it first came out, but just such a masterpiece it won everyone over. Amazing piece of art imho!

 

[Moliphino]

Correct, it does not. I simply see it is something that could potentially drive potential customers away.

The basketball great Michael Jordan once was asked to pick a side in a political argument and refused to. His reason for refusing to wade into a sociopolitical topic was simple but really profound. "Republicans buy sneakers too".

Why pick a fight that didn't need to be picked is all I am saying?

Here is how offended by LGTBQ+ people I really am. Saturday night I am having an ice cream social / Pool get together at my place for friends. At least two LGTBQ+ couples have RSVPd thus far to attend. I am so bothered and phobic!

The existence of LGBTQ+ people isn't political, though. It's a fact of life. Merely showing a same sex couple should be no more bothersome than seeing the kid with the insulin pump in Turning Red.

 

[jade1]

Come on now you don't believe in Marvel anymore. You have The Marvels coming in before the end of the year

Been watching Secret Invasion. Very good and lots of potential, but certain aspects-just not sure what to think yet. At least it's half over so will know soon.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

The existence of LGBTQ+ people isn't political, though. It's a fact of life. Merely showing a same sex couple should be no more bothersome than seeing the kid with the insulin pump in Turning Red.

You know that is a massive oversimplification of the topic.

Bud Light just lost $20 Billion dollars of stock valuation and 25+% of its sales volume with that same exact assumption you just made.

 

[BrianL]

The existence of LGBTQ+ people isn't political, though. It's a fact of life. Merely showing a same sex couple should be no more bothersome than seeing the kid with the insulin pump in Turning Red.

I didn't even notice an insulin pump in Turning Red. I am however now OUTRAGED by it's inclusion that I didn't notice because I don't believe they should be encouraging a diabetic lifestyle!

 

[RivShore]

It is happening with every studio, not just Disney.

The Flash, Ruby Gillman, Dungeons and Dragons, Shazam, Air, Renfield, Transformers among the big names to lose a lot of money. No one talks about those studios streaming services being the cause for the losses like people talk about for Disney Plus.

It is but there are plenty of recent hits from other studios. I think Disney did a more "effective" job of training people to wait, to the bottom lines detriment.

 

[DeeBee3]

Top film for July 4 (the day itself) was Sound of Freedom. Kinda wild that a film playing in approx 2,500 theaters made more money in a day that Indy (playing in 4,500 theaters).

Not sure if you already mentioned that, but I didn't have time to go through the previous pages.

 

[BrianL]

It is but there are plenty of recent hits from other studios. I think Disney did a more "effective" job of training people to wait, to the bottom lines detriment.

I think this is definitely a big part of the equation and it is affecting Disney moreso than others. I mean, people might have thought, hey, Super Mario will be on Peacock before too long - but who the heck has Peacock?

 

[RivShore]

This should be Hollywood's new strategy - make movies that are so bad people will pay NOT to watch them!

I think they have been there done that