Direct *and* Resale?

[mvenez]

Has anyone bought the minimum direct points to get the member benefits *and* resale points at the same time to get your total number of desired points? I'm having direct FOMO.

I did this also - purchased 200 points direct and then 450 more resale. All are at the same resort - CCV - and use year.

 

[vdangelo239]

Has anyone bought the minimum direct points to get the member benefits *and* resale points at the same time to get your total number of desired points? I'm having direct FOMO.

I don’t have firm stats but hybrid members - me included - are super common on here!

 

[VGCgroupie]

I own both. If you become resale first you can then qualify for member pricing on direct, to me this is the best way. It saves you money via the extra discount, but you can also learn DVC before you spend a lot of money on direct.

 

[D-Trick]

I think what is more likely is Disney will offer some sort of "point washing" program for resale owners. Lots of other timeshare systems have a process in place to allow resale owners to take communion. DVC should as well.

I'm unfamiliar with other vacation clubs/companies, but washing Marriott/Hilton points opens you up to hundreds of resorts in every corner of the planet.

DVC is primarily focused around WDW, and really only has 3 regions: FL/SC, CA, and HI. Washing resale WDW points to use at another WDW resort really doesn't gain you much. Better to keep as is, otherwise Disney will have to turn into scummy high pressure timeshare salesmen to get the direct sales if the alternative is to simply go resale and wash.

 

[Mouseforward]

DVC "point washes" via ROFR and then resale. When they need more direct points at sold out resorts they simply ROFR.

 

[AstroBlasters]

#TeamHybrid

 

[eticketplease]

I'm unfamiliar with other vacation clubs/companies, but washing Marriott/Hilton points opens you up to hundreds of resorts in every corner of the planet.

DVC is primarily focused around WDW, and really only has 3 regions: FL/SC, CA, and HI. Washing resale WDW points to use at another WDW resort really doesn't gain you much. Better to keep as is, otherwise Disney will have to turn into scummy high pressure timeshare salesmen to get the direct sales if the alternative is to simply go resale and wash.

Perhaps however it certainly would help those that want to try out a no humidity park experience. Without point washing a resale owner of the O14’s only option is VGC. With the point washing it would open up a lot more chances for those folks with VDH.

 

[muppets3d]

I'm unfamiliar with other vacation clubs/companies, but washing Marriott/Hilton points opens you up to hundreds of resorts in every corner of the planet.

DVC is primarily focused around WDW, and really only has 3 regions: FL/SC, CA, and HI. Washing resale WDW points to use at another WDW resort really doesn't gain you much. Better to keep as is, otherwise Disney will have to turn into scummy high pressure timeshare salesmen to get the direct sales if the alternative is to simply go resale and wash.

Not just the resorts but you get more exchange opportunities like cruises and member benefits like sorcerer pass.

 

[Choppers]

I think what is more likely is Disney will offer some sort of "point washing" program for resale owners. Lots of other timeshare systems have a process in place to allow resale owners to take communion. DVC should as well.

It amazes me they don’t already capitalise on all their resale owners. They’ve already had the money from the original buyer and I’m sure plenty of resale owners would be interested at being direct with the right price offered.

 

[airjay75]

I tend to think that any point washing system is unlikely to happen until post-2042. They want to get more restricted resorts in the portfolio, drive down resale prices further, continue pushing people toward direct, and then charge a hefty premium for the point washing. And they’ll be able to because at that point, washing your points will get you access to a lot of new resorts. Right now, as long as you don’t care too much about RIV/CFW/VDH, any point washing really doesn’t get you very much. If they did it now, they wouldn’t be able to charge very much and they could also cannibalize direct sales.

 

[intamin]

I tend to think that any point washing system is unlikely to happen until post-2042. They want to get more restricted resorts in the portfolio, drive down resale prices further, continue pushing people toward direct, and then charge a hefty premium for the point washing. And they’ll be able to because at that point, washing your points will get you access to a lot of new resorts. Right now, as long as you don’t care too much about RIV/CFW/VDH, any point washing really doesn’t get you very much. If they did it now, they wouldn’t be able to charge very much and they could also cannibalize direct sales.

I think this too, a point washing system would undermine what they currently have in place with resale restrictions. IF they were to allow for point washing, it would come with a really hefty price tag, it's not like Disney is going to do it out of the kindness of their hearts for the people who either couldn't afford direct or chose not to buy direct. The pricetag that it would likely have I imagine most people would end up balking at. Disney seems quite happy creating a class system in DVC.

Of course all of this is my opinion but I'm pretty sure Disney does NOT want to create another route for people to not buy whatever new resort they just built. The more new contracts they can sell, means another subsidized hotel that they get to own 50 years from now.

 

[Brian Noble]

Diamond (now Hilton VC) requires a point-for-point developer purchase to requalify resale points. If Disney does this, I'd assume that's the floor.

I also don't think it happens anytime soon, if ever.

 

[airjay75]

Diamond (now Hilton VC) requires a point-for-point developer purchase to requalify resale points. If Disney does this, I'd assume that's the floor.

I also don't think it happens anytime soon, if ever.

Just curious - is it a point-for-point purchase at the same resort as the resale contract or will any resort in the club do? IOW, you own 100 resale points at X resort - would it have to be 100 developer points at X resort or 100 developer points at any resort within the club?

 

[Brian Noble]

No idea. I suspect it is whatever they have inventory for. I also do not know how (or whether) home resort matters in that system.

 

[matt and beth]

If the OP buys resale first and adds a direct later. Is it best to add on to the existing contract so they keep the same use year? And if they add on with the same use year direct does it need to be the same resort for 11 month window? Can the OP buy at a different resort direct and still use all their collective points at the 11 month window at either resort?

 

[Choppers]

If the OP buys resale first and adds a direct later. Is it best to add on to the existing contract so they keep the same use year? And if they add on with the same use year direct does it need to be the same resort for 11 month window? Can the OP buy at a different resort direct and still use all their collective points at the 11 month window at either resort?

No, whether direct purchase or not, you can only ever use your points at 11 months at your home resort.

 

[matt and beth]

No, whether direct purchase or not, you can only ever use your points at 11 months at your home resort.

So if they bought 120 at GFV resale and 170 at RIV direct add on at the 11th month window they can only use 170 at RIV at the 11th month? Then what is the advantage of same use year? Would they be better off just getting a direct use year that’s a couple of months from now so they can double up on points right away?

 

[airjay75]

So if they bought 120 at GFV resale and 170 at RIV direct add on at the 11th month window they can only use 170 at RIV at the 11th month? Then what is the advantage of same use year? Would they be better off just getting a direct use year that’s a couple of months from now so they can double up on points right away?

Others can probably explain the limitations on different UYs better than I can since I don't have any direct experience, but my understanding is that contracts with different UYs are in separate DVC accounts and the only way to combine them at the 7-month mark is transfer from one account to the other (which can only be done once per year).

But, wanted to note that in this example, those GFV resale points could never be used at RIV (or CFW, VDH, or future resorts) so it wouldn't matter unless you were trying to combine the GVF and RIV points at the 7-month mark for a resort other than those restricted resorts.

 

[Tatebeck]

Agree with @intamin and @Brian Noble

I don't think they will want to do anything to hurt their own current/future direct sales and would require a new direct purchase if they ever do any sort of point washing at all. Point washing resale points for cheap gives less FOMO and drives fewer direct purchases. They may offer it as part of buying a new direct contract if they are having major trouble selling points at some point but I still doubt it. That could still cannibalize future direct sales.

I think they will continue to improve the direct product through new benefits, events, and new nice resorts. And over time with the restrictions on newer resorts I think it will work out for them.

I think it would be more likely that they add another option for resale/restricted resale resorts to pay a one time per reservation or per point fee to allow them to book the entire DVC catalogue at a worse booking window after owners and direct swappers, maybe somewhere between 3 and 6 months out. This would generate revenue, with fewer long term impacts since it is a one time transaction with no guarantee they will continue to offer it in the future. It would also give a little peace of mind to restricted resale owners that their points won't expire as easily if not used at their home resort.

It's another thing they could offer to get a revenue stream without really doing much. Kind of like MMB

 

[eticketplease]

Others can probably explain the limitations on different UYs better than I can since I don't have any direct experience, but my understanding is that contracts with different UYs are in separate DVC accounts and the only way to combine them at the 7-month mark is transfer from one account to the other (which can only be done once per year).

But, wanted to note that in this example, those GFV resale points could never be used at RIV (or CFW, VDH, or future resorts) so it wouldn't matter unless you were trying to combine the GVF and RIV points at the 7-month mark for a resort other than those restricted resorts.

I think that was a good job explaining it.

Basically if they are in the same use year you could use them all at 7 months without worrying.
That gives you 290 points yearly without borrowing or banking to book anywhere in the O14 since PP mentioned resale VGF.

You could still take advantage of the 11 month window by alternating years combined with banking and borrowing.

So year 1 stay at VGF with 240 points after borrowing year 2’s points.

Year 2 you would have 340 points for RIV after banking year 1. You could of course also borrow from year 3 giving you 510 points.

Year 3 repeat and stay at VGF.

The main thing with 1 use year is it is easier for 7 month bookings, 1 date to remember for banking, 1 date to remember when points expire.