Dining Plan-Tipping-STRESS!!!

Here are my thoughts and I waited tables for many years too, so I sorta know a little about what I'm speaking of.

Disney restaurants are far from cheap. Let's be honest. For what you get, imo, they're pretty expensive. You're on vacation and really want to enjoy yourselves, so paying the extra isn't something that bothers most of us. Okay, now, take your average guest check. What's that? Between $100 - $150 for dinner? My guess is probably more if you're on the food plan because you're ordering more than you'd probably order without it. Let's say $150. Some may be less, but I'd imagine many would be pretty darn close to that and some may be even higher. Especially if you've got a larger party. How many tables do you think the wait staff is given at a time? I'd probably say around 6 or so, but that could be slightly higher or lower, each restaurant is different. Okay, so we're to about 6 tables that turn over about once every hour and a half say. That would break down to roughly 4 tips per hour. If the average check is $150, that would mean at 15% your server would make $90 per hour. Maybe you all feel this isn't enough, but I think many of us would LOVE to make that kind of money per hour. I will grant you that some may not tip. That's unfortunate, but is it your job to tip for someone who didn't tip anything?

I also understand that these servers may have to wait till payday to get your tip on their check, but once they get thru that initial holding period, it still should be a regular paycheck. Are you paid daily for the work you perform? Did you have a waiting period when you 1st started a job till you got your 1st check? I see it as no different here. I also read some comments about how these servers would now have to claim 100% of that tip when if you'd have left it on the table they'd have only had to claim 8% instead of the entire 15% of the check. This is probably true too, but when you figure your taxes, do you not have to claim 100% of every dime you make?

I know I would have LOVED to work where I could make $90 an hour EVEN if I had to pay taxes on every cent.

I'd still leave extra IF I got exceptional service though. This would mean this server would have to do MORE for me than she had to. Doing what's required and nothing more deserves no more than 15% to me (standard service = standard tip). Joking around with my kids and trying to make our experience something we'd look back on with great memories is exceptional to me. I don't see the OP looking back and enjoying the memories of this visit. This waitress should count her blessings that she got what she did. I don't think she deserved that much.

MOO though.
 
That CM should be tickled pink working in a buffet getting a guaranteed 15%. Maybe she should ask one of the poor servers at your average buffet place the percentage they end up with (not anywhere near 15%.)
 
Taxes being deducted is going to happen regardless. I was a server for 2 years and at the end of our shift we had to claim our tips in the computer when we signed out. The little pop up window reminded us that 100% of our tips must be claimed according to the gov't. This was 6 years ago. Does everyone do it? I am sure they don't, but it is still "required".

And I too would be tickled pink to have a guaranteed 15%. I would get a lot of folks that just came in for coffee and to socialize, take up my table for 2 hours or more and leave 25-50cents each, because they only had coffee. They didn't realize they were taking up my table and that I can't turn it over.
 
we were just there in June on dining plan and did not have bad service once. No dirtly looks for no add'l tipping. I loved the dining with the tip included. We left extra a few times when the service was great. Maybe its just individual waitstaff issues. I think most of them are okay with the plan.
 

When we went with vouchers, I told my server we're using a voucher, and then we would like to order "MORE"!! I plan on doing the same with the free dining, dd doesnt eat - she eats French Fries - plus we'll order wine, beer, or mixed drinks at the TS too - so maybe that will help :confused3

I also know that waitstaff at most places (cant speak for ALL places!) when you pay with a CC# - the tip has to wait to it 'clears' or the proprieter pays you from that receipt! So I've always paid my tip in cash... I do hate going out to eat without my dh, and with a kid, I know I get 'heavy' hearts from lots of waitstaff - I always want to let them know "I promise, treat me ok, and I'll tip - IN CASH!!!" :rotfl:
 
I work as server in fine dining, and I feel that tipping 20% is absolutely minimum unless service is atrocious. I move up my tipping scale from a basis of 20%.

Now, this is only for sit-down restaurants and everyone teases me about my gross over-tipping problem. Most people who have tip-based incomes in the service industry have the same sickness:)

I will be asking each server directly regarding the percentage of gratuity they will recieve, since I've heard such varying numbers on the board.

And, yes, servers do prefer cash.

But, if I knew I was including gratuity (on a very large party or prix fixes) I don't expect to recieve anything additional, and I certainly would never point at a guest. How incredibly unprofessional.
 
Personally that is what sold me on the dining plan. The fact that tip is included. It really helps us budget our trip. So I am in the side that states we will not be tipping extra.

:earsboy: :earsgirl: princess: :earboy2:
 
N.Bailey said:
I know I would have LOVED to work where I could make $90 an hour EVEN if I had to pay taxes on every cent.


Also, as a server I want to clarify on this topic, as I certainly don't make 90 dollars an hour.

Most evenings your section of tables is not full, and if it is, it's only full during prime-time dining hours: 6:30-8:30. In my restaurant, our sections only hold twelve people (3 tables of four people). I'm sure Disney uses bigger sections of tables for their servers (which is probably one of the reasons why I have read about spotty service), but I still don't believe they're turing 4 tables an hour if the check average is $150. It takes time to eat three courses. My tables average a 2.5 hour window for dining for two people. A larger party? Up to four hours. If the dining time is faster, the check average is lower.

Then at the end of your night as a server, you are required to give your server assistant (or busboy) and your bartender 10% EACH of your night's tips. If it's busy, you also tip a food runner(someone who carries food from the kitchen to the dining room) and/or expeditor(a person who dresses plates of food and organizes them on a tray). I give other employees at my restaurant, on average, 25-30% of my night. They all make more hourly than I do. I, like my fellow employees, declare and pay full taxes on all of my tips.

Don't get me wrong: I still make excellent money that supplements my salary as a teacher. I also think the servers are better protected with the international population and well...cheap...vacationers that patronize the restauants by adding a 15% automatic gratuity. And if Disney has decided that their restaurant's service is only 15% quality (as they have show with the automatic gratuity), then no one should feel ANY obligation to tip more.

I just don't think any of these servers are walking out with 500 dollars a night even before taxes.
 
Not all servers have to tip their busboy though. I worked at Cracker Barrel for 2 years and we got to keep 100% of our tips. None went to the busboys.

I know a lot of restaurants aren't like that but there are a lot where the servers do get to keep 100%
 
I really had not thought about tipping more. I thought the tip was included and the bill would be way more then if we were not on the dining plan, so they would get more in the end anyhow. I waited tables for 5 years and I would have LOVED for 15% to be added to every bill. IMO tips are automatic for restaurant servers. They work long HARD hours away from their family and they are WAITING on you. Even if they don't give GREAT service, I fel they deserve 15%. The only time I have ever not left 15% was one time we never even saw the person who was actually our server. I understand taxes and how they effect tips. I used to work at Medieval Times and sometimes parties would do a package where the tip was included, which it would only be 8%, I never expected them to tip more. Most times they didn't even bring money with them. My thing, is we are not planning on carrying much cash and our meals are paid for along with the tip, so why do we have to carry more cash to tip more? :confused3 I think lots of servers can get bad attitudes when it comes to deals like this, but they are usually the ones you wouldn't tip more anyhow. I can garantee you if I get a dirty look I will be speaking to a manager. I was also a restaurant manager for 2 years and I know this is not tolerated.
 
MaryFMac said:
Also, as a server I want to clarify on this topic, as I certainly don't make 90 dollars an hour.

Most evenings your section of tables is not full, and if it is, it's only full during prime-time dining hours: 6:30-8:30. In my restaurant, our sections only hold twelve people (3 tables of four people). I'm sure Disney uses bigger sections of tables for their servers (which is probably one of the reasons why I have read about spotty service), but I still don't believe they're turing 4 tables an hour if the check average is $150. It takes time to eat three courses. My tables average a 2.5 hour window for dining for two people. A larger party? Up to four hours. If the dining time is faster, the check average is lower.

Then at the end of your night as a server, you are required to give your server assistant (or busboy) and your bartender 10% EACH of your night's tips. If it's busy, you also tip a food runner(someone who carries food from the kitchen to the dining room) and/or expeditor(a person who dresses plates of food and organizes them on a tray). I give other employees at my restaurant, on average, 25-30% of my night. They all make more hourly than I do. I, like my fellow employees, declare and pay full taxes on all of my tips.

Don't get me wrong: I still make excellent money that supplements my salary as a teacher. I also think the servers are better protected with the international population and well...cheap...vacationers that patronize the restauants by adding a 15% automatic gratuity. And if Disney has decided that their restaurant's service is only 15% quality (as they have show with the automatic gratuity), then no one should feel ANY obligation to tip more.

I just don't think any of these servers are walking out with 500 dollars a night even before taxes.

All I can tell you is, I live in Hicksville, USA (we get lots of people visiting our area in the summer for our lake) and in a restaurant sorta like Ponderosa I made between $150 - $200 a night during the summer months. The average guest check for an adult including drink ran about $10.00 - $20.00 (including drinks). Kids would be like $3.00 (from 6-10 years, 5 and under ate free). Tips would range in the $2.00 to $10.00, depending on how many people and of course, who they were.

Here is the website to the chain I worked for:
http://www.hosss.com/hossmenu.html

I'm not convinced Disney waitstaff doesn't do MUCH better than this.
 
N.Bailey said:
All I can tell you is, I live in Hicksville, USA (we get lots of people visiting our area in the summer for our lake) and in a restaurant sorta like Ponderosa I made between $150 - $200 a night during the summer months. The average guest check for an adult including drink ran about $10.00 - $20.00 (including drinks). Kids would be like $3.00 (from 6-10 years, 5 and under ate free). Tips would range in the $2.00 to $10.00, depending on how many people and of course, who they were.

Here is the website to the chain I worked for:
http://www.hosss.com/hossmenu.html

I'm not convinced Disney waitstaff doesn't do MUCH better than this.

Im not convinced either. Yes there are intricacies to their pay system, but many positions have obstacles and still support families and send kids to college. My Dh is a teacher and they get paid ONCE a month! That's his chosen profession, so we work with it. I don't get attitude (nor does he) on Teacher appreciation days.
I agree with the OP. That waitress didnt deserve a dime extra, and if you had given it to her you would have felt even worse, because you know she didnt deserve it and tried to "guilt" more money out of you because she can.
I work P/T for in a tipped positions and know that if I want tips, I provide extra service and bust my tail to get them. Then I take my kids to WDW and I expect the same hard work I had to put in.
 
it is included in the price...therefore I won't tip extra HOWEVER if we order extra drinks or coffee with dessert or something not included we will tip extra OR if the CM is incredibly helpful and nice and warm...my dh is a SUCKER for the women servers who let him do the whole "wine tasting" swooshing around in glass" thing...whatever...I don't care for wine... :rotfl:
 
Our worst food service was in the Bahamas where the gratuity was automatically added. Unfortunately, DH didn't realize this until the second day we were there, so they did get double tipped for two days.

I sure hope Disney service doesn't fall because the tip isn't based on good service any more. We haven't decided yet on the dining plan for our November trip (DH10 will be an adult :sad2: ) but if I know my DH, he will tip extra for good service even if tip is included.

Maybe the server still wanted a CASH tip because of not having to declare it, after all the 15% was already being recorded for the IRS.
 
zdad - I think the great service you received was b/c you laid it out there & told them you knew the deal about their tips! It would make me more conscious of my job!
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Though I just cancelled my MYW package with dining to take care advantage of the Government Exmployee's rate at the Swan - I was fully prepared to pay the difference between the 15% automatically included on the bill and what I thought would be a fair tip.

The fact that it is included, in my opinion, should not mean that servers should get less from our party than if it wasn't included.

Adequate Service = 15% rounded up to the next $
Good Service = 20% rounded up to the next $ (about 5% out of pocket)
Exceptional Service = 25% rounded up to the next $ (about 10% out of pocket)

I firmly believe that part of what keeps Disney "magical" is that most of the visitors aid in keeping the good spirits of the CM's high by showing their appreciation to them and making them feel that they are helping us keep our vacations "magicial". The way you show that to food servers is by tipping at a level equal to their service...

- Ken
 
I'm glad I read how Disney is handling the tipping. We always leave at least 20% for good service, more for great...I guess I am planning to leave an extra 8-10% for the servers. (At least I hope to have great service while I'm there!)

ReneeA
 
what gets me is that H&V is a buffet so other then get you drinks and clear your plates away there wasn't much else to do. That she should expect a higher tip is pushing it
 
TxDisFamily said:
On our last trip when we ate at L'Originale Alfredo di Roma, we had a part of 23 people. The menu stated that the 18% gratuity would be added to parties of 8 or more. Our server was fantastic but I knew I wouldn't be adding to the tip if it was indeed included in the bill. Our server was smart, in my opinion, he didn't add the tip to the bill which translated into a very nice tip from everyone in our party. He ended up with MUCH more than 18% and was worth it.

so...if the server had abided by the rules of the restaurant, you would not have tipped him in response to his 'fantastic' service, but punished him for doing as his place of employment required? That seems convoluted and unfair.
 
I agree that a perk with the dining plan is that i didn't have to carry around extra money (broken down into 1's, 5's and 10's) just for tipping. I have to tip the guy that picks us up a the airport, the mousekeeping and when we return to the airport. I was really looking forward to not having to worry about it when we eat. I also agree that they probably make pretty good money anyway. 15% at any Disney Table service meal is pretty good income - and then times that by how ever many tables you work that hour. When we eat we are usually in and out in an hour so I don't agree with the comment about each table taking 2-4 hours. They want to get people in and out quickly. Look at how many people they serve a day.
Another thing...how would you get a dirty look for not tipping enough. We don't leave our tip on the table until we are walking out the door. Never let them see what they are getting before hand even if it is good service.
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