Diffrent teaching styles

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

How would you feel if your kid were in my class and we video taped them, and then howled it just to them so they can see what we see and improve on there behavior, they can also see how far they have come

 

[Aliceacc]

NO.. do NOT do it.

If you're having classroom management issues, ask an administrator to stand outside your door and observe your class without the kids seeing him or her.

But videotaping them to show them how bad they are is wrong on a couple of levels. For starters, it's not a good use of class time.

But, probably more to the point, it's giving the class clown a new and improved audience. Anything that got a reaction the first time will get a bigger and better reaction the second time around.

The start of a new school year is a wonderful opportunity for a fresh start, to fix the classroom management issues that may exist. But don't try to do it by videotaping a class gone wrong.

And videotapes can be altered. That's an issue for any behavior problems you want to persue. And then, of course, there's the issue of what happens to the tape afterwards... huge privacy concerns!

 

[kellyg403]

I don't think I would like my child being videotaped. I would have to have a lot of information regarding it.

Kelly

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

Thanks for you replies it was just a idea, it will be a new year and new team but I am glad to know how you feel, I was just doing what I was asked by the main teacher hopefully she has come up with other ideas,

 

[Aliceacc]

What grade do you teach? And, as specifically as you can make it, what was the problem last year?

 

[Piper23]

I've used video recording for learning presentation skills, but wouldn't do it for classroom management. I have however taken quick photos of the room after the kids left for lunch, and played a "what's wrong with this picture?" That helped a lot at the beginning of the year when learning routines and procedures (push in chairs, backpacks hung up, etc)

 

[snarlingcoyote]

As a class management tool, oh no, never. But as a "check it out! You guys rock!" atta boy tool, it would be different.

A lot of times, especially in some HS and MS classes, kids come in and they're well-behaved, smart kids, but they haven't developed the skills to understand the subject of the class yet. By the end of the year, they're coming to class prepared in the way the discipline of the class requires, discussing the class subject intelligently and using really strong cognitive skills.

In that case, it might be kind of fun to show them where they were at the beginning of the year. I can just imagine the laughter and "oh man, someone tell me I wasn't that dumb in August!" comments that would erupt when they realized where they'd been at the start of the class and how much of the subject they'd mastered and how they'd all strut out of class, amazed at their accomplishments.

Of course, you'd definitely have to get the parents' permission and the school's permission.

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

My group does pre k elp from 2 to age 4

 

[tcufrog]

It's crazy that the lead teacher thought that would be a good idea with toddlers and preschoolers. My older son went to a school for kids who have behavioral issues during preschool and pre-k and they used all sorts of techniques successfully to the point where he mainstreamed for K but I would have gotten upset if the teachers had videotaped it. The only person who should be doing that is a licensed therapist or psychologist who is trained in how to use videotape in a therapeutic manner.

 

[minnie mum]

I find the idea very inappropriate to begin with, but completely inappropriate and useless for the age group in question. I can't believe that an accredited teacher would think that this might be a good idea.

 

[IDoDis]

The teacher would be violating the other students' privacy who are in the background as per the FERPA guidelines (Federal Education Rights and Privacy Act). Both of you could be fired for doing this. It's good that you are asking questions so that you yourself don't get into trouble. You might want to consider switching classrooms if the opportunity arises so that you aren't put in a situation of doing something wrong unknowingly on what this teacher may ask you to do.

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

Thanks guys

 

[Aliceacc]

What specific issues are you trying to address? What is it you had hoped they would take away from the video??

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

The teacher would be violating the other students' privacy who are in the background as per the FERPA guidelines (Federal Education Rights and Privacy Act). Both of you could be fired for doing this. It's good that you are asking questions so that you yourself don't get into trouble. You might want to consider switching classrooms if the opportunity arises so that you aren't put in a situation of doing something wrong unknowingly on what this teacher may ask you to do.

We take video in our classrooms all the time. Not to show the kids so they can see their misbehavior, but we'll video kids' presentations so they can watch them back, we'll video kids reading as part of work on fluency, and we video teachers so they can get feedback from coaches, and supervisors. The OP is in an early childhood special ed class, I believe, and in that context, using video as a way to gather data on discrete trials is pretty common.

As long as the videos are used internally, it isn't a problem for us.

 

[aprilchem]

I'm interested in the responses here; I have 3 kids who are in DC (well, two in after-school now, but they did full-time daycare before) and we've always had to sign a videotape waiver every year. It's very common for kids with behavior problems to be videotaped at our school; sometimes tapes are shown to parents but other times they use them to evaluate for behavioral disorders. I know probably 4 or 5 kids who have been videotaped. I thought it was common!

 

[MrsDuck]

I don't think toddlers have the development to utilize a video reflection tool.

 

[Piper]

Get Dr. Jean's song--Rules Rap Then spend several weeks before school starts taking pictures of each item in your classroom. Trace its shape on tag and tape it to the shelf where it belongs along with its picture. Then at the beginning of school, play the Rules Rap several times a day. Act out how you want each rule to look. Don't let the children into a center until you have taught them what to do in each center. Practice cleaning up.

Young children need to know your expectations. Then give recognition when you catch the children doing what you want. You don't need to give extravagant praise....just say, "Look at Mary! She is sitting with her hands and feet to herself!" "Listen to Billy! He is using his small voice inside." "Bob just put that puzzle exactly in its spot. He knows how to clean up."

I taught for many years and usually had more children than other classes because the "difficult" kids always got put in my class.......and they behaved because they knew what they were supposed to do! I expected them to do a good job and they did.


Dr. Jean Feldman performs this song on Is Everybody Happy? that is one of her CDs. All her CDs are great.


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Chorus:
The rules, the rules, the rules of the classroom. (Snap fingers.)
The rules, the rules, the rules of the classroom.

Follow, follow, follow directions, (Point index fingers.)
Follow, follow, follow directions.

Chorus
Feet and hands, feet and hands, (Point to feet and hands.)
Feet and hands to yourself.

Chorus
Small voices inside, tall voices on the playground.
(Quiet voice, then loud voice.)
Small voices inside, tall voices on the playground.

Chorus
Work together, don't fight, or you'll get in trouble.
(Clasp hands, then point finger.)
Work together, don't fight, or you'll get in trouble.

Chorus
YEAH!)

 

[Luv Bunnies]

I don't think toddlers have the development to utilize a video reflection tool.

Exactly.

OP, as I recall you work in a special needs preschool classroom? I'm going into my 12th year working in the same type of classroom and know the kids pretty well. Very young kids love seeing themselves in pictures and on video, but they won't have any idea as to what they're looking at and why. They live very much in the moment. For example, you can't threaten to take away recess if it's not going to happen for two hours. When recess rolls around, they'll be upset if they're kept inside, but they don't have the skills to equate bad behavior from two hours ago with the consequence. I think the same would happen with watching themselves on video. They won't recognize and be able to change behavior that didn't just happen in the last few seconds.

Our classroom strategy is to call out really bad behavior as soon as it occurs. You have to start by identifying what you're going to work on with each individual child. What's really going to disrupt the classroom routine or be unsafe to themselves or others? For example, throwing objects, standing on chairs or tables and physical aggression (hitting, kicking, biting) is addressed immediately. We also had a problem last year where one child would jump up and run away from circle time. This would cause two or three others to follow. We cracked down on the instigator by stationing an aide right next to him and rewarding or praising him for every minute he sat in his chair. This cut the behavior quite a bit.

Lastly, our school district requires a photo/video release form for every child. Some parents don't give permission for their child to be photographed or videotaped and we have to respect that. The only person who tapes kids is the behavior specialist who uses the recordings to consult with others on certain behaviors. She has to get a release form signed by parents when she proposes a behavioral evaluation/plan.

Hope this helps!

 

[Jaya]

How would you feel if your kid were in my class and we video taped them, and then howled it just to them so they can see what we see and improve on there behavior, they can also see how far they have come

"Howled it"? I'd be pretty upset if you "howled" at my kids.

 

[IDoDis]

We take video in our classrooms all the time. Not to show the kids so they can see their misbehavior, but we'll video kids' presentations so they can watch them back, we'll video kids reading as part of work on fluency, and we video teachers so they can get feedback from coaches, and supervisors. The OP is in an early childhood special ed class, I believe, and in that context, using video as a way to gather data on discrete trials is pretty common.

As long as the videos are used internally, it isn't a problem for us.

If you don't have signed permission, then you are in violation of FERPA. We have parents sign a permission form for rights to video for educational purposes only. Believe it or not, there are parents at times who refuse to sign. Teachers unknowingly violate FERPA all the time. Most parents don't know either, so 99% of the time, nothing happens. But all it takes is one parent who knows their rights to make a stink and cause all kinds of problems for the teacher.

Teachers in Special Ed have to be especially careful of this, including at the beginning of the year when class lists get posted for all to see. Some parents may file a complaint that their child was identified as being in a Special Ed class where all parents in the school could see this info posted on meet the teacher day. Teachers have also gotten into trouble posting their students pictures on their Facebook wall. Make sure you have a signed release form for ANY student who is in a video, even if they are just in the background, and definitely don't post pictures of your students on your Facebook page, no matter how cute they are!