Difficult relationship w mother

You said you would feel guilty not including your mom. What about what you are putting your husband, kids and yourself through? It appears you are putting your mom's satisfaction above that of your immediate family. Why is that?

You are far beyond the time of needing to set boundaries and not allowing this to happen. Please do it for the good of your husband, kids and you.
 
I've had that crazy, manipulative, mind-controlling, boundary blowing, mother. I fell to her traps over and over, I was the one suffering by her behaviors. One day, after she once again lied and manipulated me, I sat back and thought about everything that happened over the years. I wrote her and 8 page, typed, single spaced letter. I aired all the dirty laundry, all the grievances, and made sure she understood why I was cutting her off. That was July 2009. I have not spoke to her since. I do not know where she even lives. She moved out of state, changed all of her contact information, and has not had contact with anyone in the family. I still have the same cell number, same email address.

I know have an (almost) 3 year old son. I am so thankful that he will not be subjected to her heinous ways. She will not hurt my son like she did me. Cutting her loose was the best decision I ever made. I am free!
 
OP, you don't need to feel guilty for allowing you and your family a peaceful vacation on your own. You are not responsible for your mom. It sounds like she has created a situation in which she has estranged herself from all others and it shouldn't fall on your shoulders to be the sole person in her life. Especially if you are then the recipient of all of her anger and bad behavior. My DH has a very volatile relationship with his mother. She has put him through the ringer since he was a very, young child and continues to this day to be manipulative and irresponsible and doesn't hold herself accountable for anything. She takes and takes from others, but never reciprocates. I finally had it a few years ago and we now, annually, go on vacation every Christmas break, just me, DH and DS8. It is SO relaxing!!!
 
My prayers go out to you and your family. Dealing with a mentally ill and manipulative family member brings stress and heartbreak that only others who have experienced it can imagine.
Focus on your own little family and be the best mom you can be.
 

My prayers go out to you and your family. Dealing with a mentally ill and manipulative family member brings stress and heartbreak that only others who have experienced it can imagine.
Focus on your own little family and be the best mom you can be.

1000x the bold.

One of the best pieces of advice I ever received was "you teach people how to treat you" Think about that when your kids and what you want them to learn.

Worth reading -

Toxic Parents: Overcoming Their Hurtful Legacy and Reclaiming Your Life

http://www.amazon.com/Toxic-Parents...their+hurtful+legacy+and+reclaiming+your+life

Lost In The Shuffle: The Co-Dependent Reality

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Shuffle-...445527354&sr=1-1&keywords=lost+in+the+shuffle

(I hope its ok to post links, I am not the author of either book, just someone whose life was changed by them)
 
i started reading your problem and thought this must be a joke, this is me....then reading everyone else further, it sounds like a lot of us have the same type of issues. some bad, some horrible. i wouldn't even know where to begin with my story, so i'll just say i feel for you! i understand! choose to take good care of yourself, which unfortunately means getting rid of the viruses in your life. you don't have to eliminate her all together if you don't want to, but i wouldn't subject my family to her, you could go have lunch or something. you have grown used to this all your life, they have not. (i'm in the same boat). she won't change, i'm sure you know that. but please don't let guilt drive you. you shouldn't feel guilty for taking good care of your mental well being and your own family you are protecting. it's taken me 30+ years to figure out a balance to distance myself and not feel responsible and always apologizing for another human being, mother or not...i wish it didn't have to be so hard, and we all had great mom's that are easy to be around. but we are learning how to be different, and if anything we've learned the hard way how not to be. hang in there. sending my thoughts and prayers.:hug:
 
Sorry you're dealing with these relationship problems. It can be hard to figure out what to do about toxic relatives, especially when you can think of reasons they "aren't all bad."

My recommendations are:

1) Take your husband's suggestion and go to Disney for the holidays. Tell your mother you're starting a new tradition with your family, wish her a happy holiday, and have a good time.
2) Don't invite her to your home. If you want to see her, visit her at her place or go out to lunch. You have control over how long you stay, who (if anyone) goes with you, and she isn't snooping through your mail.
3) If she's used to popping over unannounced, tell her you're about to head out, you're sorry, please call in advance next time. Have your husband do this part if he's willing and if it helps you, at least the first couple of times. If she has a key, change the locks.
4) Limit her contact with your children.
5) If you feel the need to tell her why things are changing, you can. If it will make you feel worse, just keep distancing. You don't owe her your time or a relationship if after 40 years she can't or won't treat you well.
6) Consider a therapist. They can help you work through your feelings about this relationship and offer coping methods and ways to manage this.

Bipolar is one of them I think. She goes from being super nice to being very nasty in a matter of moments
That's a common myth about bipolar disorder. People dealing with bipolar disorder generally alternate between long periods of depression and long periods of mania. Meaning more like weeks/months not mood swings from moment to moment. And mania isn't happiness or friendly/nice behavior. Regardless, if she does have any mental health problems, you can suggest she get help, but you're not responsible for whether she follows through.
 
It sounds like your are trying to find a way to make both your husband and your mother happy, but you can't. And until your mother becomes physically unfit and/or mentally incompetent, your priority needs to be your children. And they deserve a childhood that doesn't include the kind of stress your mother is adding to your home.

If your mother has a key to your house, you need to get it back or change the locks. Even if you are from a culture that allows parents to have a lot of say-so in an adult child's life, your mother lost that privilege by wishing your family bad karma!

Your mother has been messing with your head for a long time, and even though it may be a mental disorder that's causing this, you need to take back your life. Others have talked about getting professional counseling, and even a few sessions may do you a lot of good. It might be good to have a couples counselor, so your husband and you can work together on getting your lives to where you would like them to be. And depending on the ages of your children and how much interaction they have had with your mother, they may benefit from some counseling too. Your mother sounds a lot like my grandmother, and my sister was obsessed with making my grandmother happy well into her 40s. One thing you MUST not do is go to joint counseling with your mother!!!!!! It will be just one more place that she can make you miserable, until the counselor figures out what's going on.

I know I am sounding very autocratic, but my mother had a similar situation with her mother, and I know that there were times that Mom was so beaten down that she couldn't think straight. I hope things haven't gotten that far with you.

Wishing you only happiness from now on.
 
I can say, that I had a mother like that and it was difficult at holidays, like you, my mom was negative 90% of
the time. I even took her to Disney World and to other wonderful places to visit while we were at
Disney, and this is what she said when we got home," Next time I go to Florida I am going to see things"
yep, that is what she told people.. I was so angry I could have spit! She never made it to Florida again as
she only had 1 friend who mooched off her and they never went. The last time I tried to do something
she wanted to do, it blew up in my face and embarrassed me horribly.. needless to say, we never went
someplace together ever again.. I travel yearly and I love going with my friends and family now and I know
we can have an awesome time.. she has since passed away and yes, she is missed,but our holidays
are calmer and peaceful... holidays are now not dreaded... Bless you for taking your families feelings first and
foremost..
 
thank you for all the support/advice etc. I'm officially "done" w her .i just can't take another moment of her.
She popped up unannounced and went through my mail on the counter.
I told her "my mail is none of your business."
She grabbed a Home Depot credit card bill and started screaming "why did you let your husband charge?! He's nothing but a _______ parasite!"
I'm like "what are you talking about .. The card is mine and the purchase was mine." Had nothing to do with my husband.
She's officially 100% nuts and I myself cannot take this mentally nor does my family deserve to witness or be a target of this ludicrous behavior.
I'm just beside myself. I guess .. Looking at the past, I've always tried to rationalize her behavior or accept the behavior and I just cannot.
 
I went through something similar. The second Christmas that I left my mother's home in tears my husband put his foot down. He won't tell me what I can do but he was adamant that if I chose to go the next year it would be without him or our son- that he could not put the kid through that again.

He was right and I needed him to set that boundary. Your husband has given you a gift. Your mother is a grown woman and can make her own holiday plans. You are not required to do this every year.

My DD did the same thing with her DH family. They were terrible to Jeff, and ignored their DD. She told him she would never come between him and his family, but no way would she ever allow their daughter to see her father treated with disrespect. He agreed, but for him it was becasue they were not nice to my DD, and he was furious that they did not see Kady as the gift she is. They still avoid most family gatherings, but when they do go, the family knows how to behave. I guess you sometimes need to teach people how to treat you.

My prayers go out to you and your family. Dealing with a mentally ill and manipulative family member brings stress and heartbreak that only others who have experienced it can imagine.
Focus on your own little family and be the best mom you can be.

I agree. You can only do what you can do, no more thatn that. Sounds kind of silly, but it is true, and if your family member does not accept responsibility, you control is limited.

thank you for all the support/advice etc. I'm officially "done" w her .i just can't take another moment of her.
She popped up unannounced and went through my mail on the counter.
I told her "my mail is none of your business."
She grabbed a Home Depot credit card bill and started screaming "why did you let your husband charge?! He's nothing but a _______ parasite!"
I'm like "what are you talking about .. The card is mine and the purchase was mine." Had nothing to do with my husband.
She's officially 100% nuts and I myself cannot take this mentally nor does my family deserve to witness or be a target of this ludicrous behavior.
I'm just beside myself. I guess .. Looking at the past, I've always tried to rationalize her behavior or accept the behavior and I just cannot.

You poor thing! Take your husbands advice and try to move her out of your intimate family gatherings. My DDIL is the most loving woman, and is a daughter in my heart. Her mother is batcrap crazy. DDIL has her hands full with her, and my heart beaks everytime the woman invades their home. My DS finally put his foot down and told her that he won't refuse her to stay, but there are some new rules in place, and the blatant disrespect of them and their home stops. DDIL was worried Mom would be mad, but didn't the woman start badmouthing my son? It's funny, DDIl would put up with a lot from her mom but when she started attacking Daniel, all bets were off. In ten years she had never seen the bond between her DD and DSIL as stong as it is, and crossed the line.

Please try to look at this decision as one that may help your mom, not just your family. When Erica tols Mom she has had enough, and that if she chose to visit, sh eneeded to remember her manners, so to speak, Mom knew she either had to accept that she would no longer be welcomed, or she needed to control herself. I don't know how long th emanners will last, as she is a traveler and really wants to use DDIL as a free hotel, but I do know that DDIL said things are a little improved.

In the end, you are not responsible for a parents behavior, but you are responsible for teaching your children what is acceptable behavior towards others. If you had continued to allow your mother carte blanche in your home, with that level of disrespect towards your husband and youself, the lessons your children learned would be that it is okay to disrespect the two of you, and that in an adult relationship, them as well. My husbands mother was that woman, as was her mother. If left to fester, these relationships continue in a circle that is horrendous. You did the right thing.
 
Lovinpoohbear, my heart breaks for you. I am so glad you have a loving husband who will support this painful but very necessary separation. You are getting out of an abusive relationship. Your mother needs help that you can never provide, and your DH and children need you.

Don't hesitate to look for some professional help yourself, if you are are finding it more than you can deal with. Or if DH suggests it...he may recognize that you need it before you do!

You can still love your mother, but from a safe distance. Even if that means no contact at all for as long as it takes for you to be ready to face her in a safe situation.
 


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