Difference between the fires and Katrina

[eclectics]

You SERIOUSLY don't expect me to read all these RANTS, do you?

I guess when it directly addresses what you said in your post, I thought you just might be interested, but I see I was mistaken.

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

After reading them all myself... I can't say I blame the guy. Talk about a major topic derailment...

I guess when it directly addresses what you said in your post, I thought you just might be interested, but I see I was mistaken.

 

[What the Heck]

Well at least the Dems are consistent. Harry Reid blames (Bush's policies) global warming for the fires and Bush's policies for Katrina.

Yea, I like that. It's reasonable to believe that it was started by George Bush, but unreasonable to believe that someone from Al Queda might have done it.

Granted, I don't think that someone from Al Queda did do it, but to dismiss it before it is even looked at, but George Bush did it with a really big magnifying glass, yea thats the ticket!

 

[rie'smom]

They aren't all wealthy, neither are most dirt poor like in Louisiana..I was glad to see the evacuees have water and have their pets with them in the shelters.

It's true, there were many poor people affected by Katrina. However, and I still can't believe how many don't realize that a couple of the wealthiest areas of New Orleans were affected as well. I'm talking Malibu wealthy and more.
I feel really bad for the people in california. Rich, middle classs,or poor, it's devastating to lose your home and the pictures of your kids,family,and friends.

 

["Got Disney"]

Hi everyone....I have been out rescuing horses all day and helping out at the horse camp with sick and dehydrated horses. We have lost many many animals in the fires. Some horses would not even get into the trailers and needed to be left behind.

The out poor of volunteers and donations from SanDiegans to SanDiegans has been fanominal....

I wanted to add this to this conversation.....they said today on many news stations that we have more evacuations than Katrina...that Katrina did not even come close to our numbers.

They also stated that the country could learn a thing or to from the generousity our out city to help out own. WE had so much food from restaurants cooked and delivered for all the volunteers and evacues who brought there horses.

You may not know this but SD is very much still horse country.

IMO anyone who needs a helping hand should get it in a crisis. We dont always think straight when put into these situations. Judging others that may not be as savey as you or as smart as you or have the resorses as you need your help.

You must not wait for the government to help ...they have so mush red tape that by the time they do or can help much is lost. We must help each other. Even my children have been helping.

I hope none of you ever have to be in this kind of situation but if you are I hope you can rely on your neighbors/county to be there when you are in need.....have a blessed day.

 

[Anewman]

Oh puleeze! That is ridiculous. The fires are in Escondido where the Wild Animal Park is. There are fires outside of Anaheim, etc. I saw plenty of very average looking houses that belonged to very average, hard working people all through out Southern California. Not everyone is a movie star living on the beach. California votes pretty much Democratic in the National election.

An average looking house in the OC can easily hit 1.5 million, just saying

 

[GRUMPY PIRATE]

This may be a little OT (Nooooo, say it ain't so!) since so many posters are getting into the cause of the fire. This is what a local San Diego (Channel 8, San diego)l had on a while ago!

They just had a news segment that they believe the source of the fire was some high power transmission lines running through a guys farm. The farmer said that when high winds (from a Santa Ana) occur, they sometims "whip" together and cause sparks! The power and utilities investigators were on scene on this guys farm when the news crew was interviewing the farmer, and they refused to make any comment. But the "SOURCE" spot was under the power lines, and the burn area was directly away from that spot, in the direction that the wind was blowing. (Hmmmmmm )

I guess we will know when the investigators release their findings!

 

[yeartolate]

Yea, I like that. It's reasonable to believe that it was started by George Bush, but unreasonable to believe that someone from Al Queda might have done it.

Granted, I don't think that someone from Al Queda did do it, but to dismiss it before it is even looked at, but George Bush did it with a really big magnifying glass, yea thats the ticket!

Psssttt....the point was Fox was saying it was from recent intelligence (June of this year). The memo was from June of 2003 - and include a few states - none of which were California. Don't take terrorism off the table....but forthe oveof God, don't push us to the point we are seeing Red, Orange, and Yellow alerts again.

If you were responding to my post, do you get the difference? It is a substantial one.

 

[What the Heck]

Psssttt....the point was Fox was saying it was from recent intelligence (June of this year). The memo was from June of 2003 - and include a few states - none of which were California. Don't take terrorism off the table....but forthe oveof God, don't push us to the point we are seeing Red, Orange, and Yellow alerts again.

If you were responding to my post, do you get the difference? It is a substantial one.

Ahh, now I see. I was partially responding to that, but also responding to the response of Harry Reid, that well known "scientist" from the senate (must have taken over Al Gore's place in inventing things!).

 

[LeftCoaster]

This has happened countless times in SoCal.. The last time was in 2003..Ca knows the drill..

Thanks for reminding people. Heck this isn't even the first wildfire this year in Malibu... Also this year was a major fire just a few miles north of the current Santiago Canyon fire. Then there was also the fire that destroyed a good chunk of Griffith Park. Those are just the major ones I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[LeftCoaster]

. I saw plenty of very average looking houses that belonged to very average, hard working people all through out Southern California. Not everyone is a movie star living on the beach.

I live a couple miles inland.

My mansion has about 300 rooms. OK some people may call it an apartment but, it's still better than a Mcmansion in the Florida swampland.

And just for the fun of watching people freak out, I pay $1800 a month for a 2BR apartment.

 

[LeftCoaster]

Things are certainly better in CA than they were in New Orleans.

That said, there are plenty of problems here as well and I'm sure there will be more lessons to be learned after the fact.

Do a search for interviews by Orange County Fire Authority Chief Chip Prather and/or Assemblyman Todd Spitzer (R-Orange)
They've both been very outspoken about having serious concerns with the way resources are being allocated.

There weree some very interesting stories this afternoon explaining this situation. Why did LA County have so much more recources than Orange County? LA County has purchased all of those helicopters and contracts out every year to have those super scoopers and other planes on call from September through November / December. Orange County has chosen to spend their money on other things.

 

[DISUNC]

Fires & Floods are two completely different things.

During Katrina, there was NO electricity, NO roads, No Hospitals, No Gasoline, No Supermarkets, No Restraunts, ...etc...for miles and miles and miles. Everything was under water. Dead bodies were flowing down the street.

With the fires, all these things are still available, spotty in cases but still available.

 

[yeartolate]

Ahh, now I see. I was partially responding to that, but also responding to the response of Harry Reid, that well known "scientist" from the senate (must have taken over Al Gore's place in inventing things!).

So you see the difference between reporting the fire may be a terrorist attempt and saying that there is recent evidence that it Al Queada may be behind it. Thank you.


I would have no poblem with reporters reporting on real news with accurate information. I have no problem with our politicians gathering scientific information from reputible sources and giving input. Gore used sources that were for the most part well respected in the scientific community.


But don't make like it is one sided. During the Terri Schiavo situation the GOP sought out and got only information that backed up their side. What Senator Frist didin this situation was barfingly disgusting. I had a sick feeling in my stomach when I heard him speak - knowingthat he was doing such an immoral thing.

 

[yeartolate]

Fires & Floods are two completely different things.

During Katrina, there was NO electricity, NO roads, No Hospitals, No Gasoline, No Supermarkets, No Restraunts, ...etc...for miles and miles and miles. Everything was under water. Dead bodies were flowing down the street.

With the fires, all these things are still available, spotty in cases but still available.

The big difference to me is that folks in the fires have an excellent chance at evacuation. Even if they lack financial or social resources to be transported out, they can still see it coming from a distance and hoof it. With Katrina the flood from the collapse of the levies is what caused the evacuation nightmare. When that flood hit there were 10s of thousands in instant peril.

 

[Charade]

When that flood hit there were 10s of thousands in instant peril.

But the point some people are trying to make is, many of them didn't have to be.

 

[yeartolate]

But the point some people are trying to make is, many of them didn't have to be.

And they had the resources to go where? I fully agree they were not served well by their local and state officials. But hell. 3000 miles away I was seeing the utter devastation - it was obvious to me they needed immediate widescale help.

If the problem was just the hurricaine, most would have been ok. The huuicain was a Cat 3 when it hit land.

 

[mickeyfan2]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";21461281]Hi everyone....I have been out rescuing horses all day and helping out at the horse camp with sick and dehydrated horses. We have lost many many animals in the fires. Some horses would not even get into the trailers and needed to be left behind.

The out poor of volunteers and donations from SanDiegans to SanDiegans has been fanominal....

I wanted to add this to this conversation.....they said today on many news stations that we have more evacuations than Katrina...that Katrina did not even come close to our numbers.

They also stated that the country could learn a thing or to from the generousity our out city to help out own. WE had so much food from restaurants cooked and delivered for all the volunteers and evacues who brought there horses.

You may not know this but SD is very much still horse country.

IMO anyone who needs a helping hand should get it in a crisis. We dont always think straight when put into these situations. Judging others that may not be as savey as you or as smart as you or have the resorses as you need your help.

You must not wait for the government to help ...they have so mush red tape that by the time they do or can help much is lost. We must help each other. Even my children have been helping.

I hope none of you ever have to be in this kind of situation but if you are I hope you can rely on your neighbors/county to be there when you are in need.....have a blessed day.[/QUOTE]

Bolded - Need to be learned by all. To all from San Diego and the entire state of California.

 

[Charade]

And they had the resources to go where? I fully agree they were not served well by their local and state officials. But hell. 3000 miles away I was seeing the utter devastation - it was obvious to me they needed immediate widescale help.

If the problem was just the hurricane, most would have been ok. The hurricane was a Cat 3 when it hit land.

You mentioned 10 of thousands were in instant peril when the levies broke. I agree. My point is the majority of them shouldn't have been there when the levies broke. I don't believe the majority of those didn't have (the means) (or couldn't find) a way out when they were warned a few days in advance. It's not like they were sitting there on their front porch and then *poof* a Cat 3 hurricane appeared.

The city (and they should have called the state for extra help if needed) knew where most of the people with no or little resources lived. They should have helped those people before it became life threatening.

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

Our closest Starbucks was closed. In 2003, they stayed open and brought coffee boxes and scones by the truckload to firefighters.

Seriously, though... most businesses were closed on Tuesday in our area. Driving 2 miles west the stores were open with skeleton crews, so things could still be purchased easily.

As a community, San diego has really pulled together. Government agencies are sending non-essential personnel home and not docking pay. The airport made shelter, food and facilities available to arriving passengers who could not get home due to evacuations, relief supplies are being delivered to shelters regularly and in abundance, and signage indicating shelters are posted on every street corner you see. They set up special assistance phone numbers and are making the destroyed home list available on websites and TV. The major freeways in and out of San Diego county have been more or less shut down on/off for days, so being able to take care of our own needs was crucial. Job well done, certainly.

Fires & Floods are two completely different things.

During Katrina, there was NO electricity, NO roads, No Hospitals, No Gasoline, No Supermarkets, No Restraunts, ...etc...for miles and miles and miles. Everything was under water. Dead bodies were flowing down the street.

With the fires, all these things are still available, spotty in cases but still available.