Did you get your Real ID (License) ?

[wgeo]

Mine did as well but I received an email from the MD DMV last spring stating that my husband an I were not Real ID compliant. We had both gotten new license in the past 2 years. We had moved and needed to bring proof of residence when we got the new license. I was confused and called and DMV said we didn't have all the required documentation on file even though we had the correct license. We made an appointment and they scanned in our documents, passports, ss cards, and proof of residence. They didn't issue a new license or charge us and the clerk said the license we had would have been accepted as Real ID compliant.

Well that's clear as mud - sounds like they've got a real handle on the system

 

[Hikergirl]

Yes, New York is the same or similar. DS got the EDL because he was living in western NY and occasionally drove across the border into Canada. His license has an American flag and the words “Enhanced license”, but no star in the upper right corner like the Real ID license. I hope he does not encounter problems flying in the future, with airport employees unfamiliar with it. And the standard NY license says “Not For Federal Purposes” in place of the star.

I have a feeling there will be issues when this all goes into effect come October. It can be confusing. The fact that different states are handling it differently with inconsistency in the ID requirements and have rolled out the changes at different times (in some cases, many years apart), only adds to the frustration some are experiencing. They should have just made it a federal document, like the passport card.

This is from dhs.gov.
As long as his license is an EDL it should be fine.

Q. If my state issues an Enhanced Driver’s Licenses, is that sufficient for my state to be REAL ID compliant?
A. State Enhanced Driver’s Licenses (EDL) designated as acceptable border-crossing documents by DHS under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) are acceptable for official Federal purposes (i.e., boarding a commercial aircraft, accessing a Federal facility, or entering a nuclear power plant). However the existence of an EDL is not sufficient to consider the state to be in overall compliance for purpose of determining whether a Federal agency may accept a state’s regular driver’s license for official purposes. For example, a Federal agency could accept an EDL issued from a state but not be able to accept a standard driver’s license from that same state.

 

[AppleDumpling]

This is from dhs.gov.
As long as his license is an EDL it should be fine.

Yes of course. LOL, the key word is should. My concern is that all TSA agents are properly trained to recognize different types of “Real-ID compliant” licenses from certain states with symbols that may be different from the star, which is apparently the most common.

The NY enhanced license actually required more documentation (and cost more) to get than the “regular” Real ID (including proof of US citizenship). We shall see.

There are also a handful of states that received extensions to the deadline and are not yet issuing Real IDs. Then there will be a mad rush by everyone to the DMV offices in those states by everyone who wants one to get it in a short period of time. Will they be prepared for that? Who knows?

 

[bcla]

Yes of course. LOL, the key word is should. My concern is that all TSA agents are properly trained to recognize different types of “Real-ID compliant” licenses from certain states with symbols that may be different from the star, which is apparently the most common.

The NY enhanced license actually required more documentation (and cost more) to get than the “regular” Real ID (including proof of US citizenship). We shall see.

There are also a handful of states that received extensions to the deadline and are not yet issuing Real IDs. Then there will be a mad rush by everyone to the DMV offices in those states by everyone who wants one to get it in a short period of time. Will they be prepared for that? Who knows?

As much as we rag on TSA employees as being one step above being mall security, the one thing they all are trained on is checking identification. They’re expected to be able to check every state/territorial DL/ID as well as recognize green cards, tribal ID, US military ID, federal employee/contractor ID, foreign passports, US passports/passport cards, etc. They certainly would know what an enhanced DL/ID is and which states issue them. If they have to, they should have access to databases with sample images. Heck, I’ve seen a bartender whip out a guide to IDs, so I’d hope TSA has everyone prepared.

NY’s does look pretty nice though.

 

[AngiTN]

Yeah that’s gonna be fine in your home airport but do you really think the agent in some small out of the way spot across the country is gonna know every rule for every state?

Not me.

What good is their access to a data base gonna do while you are standing in the check point line?

 

[NotUrsula]

I don't know about you, but I can count on 3 fingers the amount of times I've entered a federal facility in the last 25 years. Wedding license and passports/renewal for our kids.

The biggest issue with the Federal facilities rule is delivery truck drivers. If you work for UPS, Fedex, any of the grocery or fuel distributors, gotta have that Real ID.

(This is what forced Missouri to finally cave on creating them (they did not want to allow the Feds access to the state Dept. of Revenue database.)). Several extremely influential trucking firms were losing Federal contracts to out-of-state firms because Missouri drivers could not get Real ID.

 

[bcla]

Yeah that’s gonna be fine in your home airport but do you really think the agent in some small out of the way spot across the country is gonna know every rule for every state?

Not me.

What good is their access to a data base gonna do while you are standing in the check point line?

I would expect that they would do their jobs. Since checking IDs is part of the job requirements, I would hope that every TSA agent has at least seen samples of what every current US state and territorial driver license and ID looks like in their continuous training requirements. If they don't, then their training is inadequate. TSA agents have federal employee cards, so I'd hope they know what they look like. I don't assume that they're so parochial that wouldn't think they could encounter almost anything on the acceptable ID list at one time or another. Different IDs can obviously be seen because people from far away might need to travel to those out of the way spots.

The ID will only be required at one point where TSA checks the ID against the boarding pass. And if they have to check an ID against a sample book or database, I expect they would do that, because it's their job to do so. If it holds up the line, it's really no different than any of a hundred different things that might happen.

 

[AngiTN]

I would expect that they would do their jobs. Since checking IDs is part of the job requirements, I would hope that every TSA agent has at least seen samples of what every current US state and territorial driver license and ID looks like in their continuous training requirements. If they don't, then their training is inadequate. TSA agents have federal employee cards, so I'd hope they know what they look like. I don't assume that they're so parochial that wouldn't think they could encounter almost anything on the acceptable ID list at one time or another. Different IDs can obviously be seen because people from far away might need to travel to those out of the way spots.

The ID will only be required at one point where TSA checks the ID against the boarding pass. And if they have to check an ID against a sample book or database, I expect they would do that, because it's their job to do so. If it holds up the line, it's really no different than any of a hundred different things that might happen.

You clearly don’t encounter many government employees on a regular basis, lol

They are the total opposite of what you describe 99% of the time

 

[wgeo]

Regarding the TSA and ID checking - I recently flew with a group of students, one of whom was 18 but didn't have an actual ID (the under 18 kids were fine with school ID) - this student was allowed to fly from both major airports we used - but the process that TSA used to check her out and allow her to fly was not the same in both places. At least in this one example it seems that the TSA are not following the same procedures in different places.

 

[Baby Groot]

You clearly don’t encounter many government employees on a regular basis, lol

They are the total opposite of what you describe 99% of the time

Please don’t generalize and insult an entire group of people. I know I’ve worked my butt off for 30 years so people like you can say enlightening stuff like this. “Lol”

 

[AngiTN]

Please don’t generalize and insult an entire group of people. I know I’ve worked my butt off for 30 years so people like you can say enlightening stuff like this. “Lol”

So does my DH. 30 years for him too. I don’t speak totally from the dark. Plus I was a military spouse and worked 20 years in government contracting. I know all too well how it is. Thank you very much

 

[Baby Groot]

Of course you do

 

[AngiTN]

Hey, I did say 1% pull their weight. Lol
That’s about how many are worth something worth DHs agency.

Doesn’t matter to me anyway. I use Clear. Don’t have to show anyone my ID or wait in lines while others do

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Regarding the TSA and ID checking - I recently flew with a group of students, one of whom was 18 but didn't have an actual ID (the under 18 kids were fine with school ID) - this student was allowed to fly from both major airports we used - but the process that TSA used to check her out and allow her to fly was not the same in both places. At least in this one example it seems that the TSA are not following the same procedures in different places.

Since an ID isn't technically required I've always wondered what TSA asks and uses to verify one's identity like the FAQs online state they do. Maybe each airport in your specific case asks different questions to verify one's identity? IDK

 

[bcla]

You clearly don’t encounter many government employees on a regular basis, lol

They are the total opposite of what you describe 99% of the time

How hard would it be for someone to look through a set of American state and territorial IDs once a year as part of required training? Even in the middle of the Nowheresville I’d hope they could do that.

What exactly do you suppose happens if a TSA agent sees an ID that he’s never seen before or is unsure of? I was at a bar when someone pulled out an Alabama driver license. The bartender pulled out an ID guide, compared it to the sample image, and served him a drink.

https://www.driverslicenseguide.com/index.html

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes of course. LOL, the key word is should. My concern is that all TSA agents are properly trained to recognize different types of “Real-ID compliant” licenses from certain states with symbols that may be different from the star, which is apparently the most common.

The NY enhanced license actually required more documentation (and cost more) to get than the “regular” Real ID (including proof of US citizenship). We shall see.

There are also a handful of states that received extensions to the deadline and are not yet issuing Real IDs. Then there will be a mad rush by everyone to the DMV offices in those states by everyone who wants one to get it in a short period of time. Will they be prepared for that? Who knows?

I think TSA agents already do a good job in the ID realm at least with respects to DLs. We have 50 states with 50 different types of DLs with 50 different possible differences in looks.

Now as far as what you're talking about training-wise I'm sure they'll be taught to seek out the gold star, the wording enhanced, and lack of either of those for quick verifiers in addition to looking for "not for REAL ID", etc. We all know no one in the history of working it ever perfect though so I'd expect that somewhere someone is likely to run into issues at some point. But I don't anticipate that being large spread enough.

As far as the deadline goes, none have been granted an extension nor exception to the October 1,2020 date. Some states were granted extensions to the current rules as their states were consisdered Non-Compliant. Unfortunately for those states that waited a long time (right or wrong) their citizens are the ones left scrambling. As of right now only Oregon and Oklahoma are the two states not yet issuing REAL IDs. From reading Oregon is recommending you just get a passport card, Oklahoma is just saying get a Passport or REAL ID. Looks like New Jersey is considered Under Revew at the present moment but that won't, to my knowledge, exempt them from the October date but I guess we'll see.

 

[bcla]

Since an ID isn't technically required I've always wondered what TSA asks and uses to verify one's identity like the FAQs online state they do. Maybe each airport in your specific case asks different questions to verify one's identity? IDK

They say they look for things that are available in public databases. But since the topic is Real ID it will never get to that point if a valid US driver license/ID meeting Real ID requirements is presented.

The job of checking IDs is an open book test. If for whatever reason someone can’t recognize a particular ID, they consult references. I don’t get why that seem so difficult.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

How hard would it be for someone to look through a set of American state and territorial IDs once a year as part of required training? Even in the middle of the Nowheresville I’d hope they could do that.

What exactly do you suppose happens if a TSA agent sees an ID that he’s never seen before or is unsure of? I was at a bar when someone pulled out an Alabama driver license. The bartender pulled out an ID guide, compared it to the sample image, and served him a drink.

https://www.driverslicenseguide.com/index.html

TSA has never questioned our DLs. My husband was in Maryland a couple years ago at a Texas Roadhouse. The bartender thought his DL was fake because she'd never seen a KS DL. She actually bent his license in the middle try to 'check' that it was real. I was so pissed as you should never do that to see if it's fake; she should have asked around or like you described an ID guide of some sort. I have a lot less faith in a bartender in a random state than I do in the TSA agents who are more used to seeing various DLs from all over on a daily basis.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

They say they look for things that are available in public databases. But since the topic is Real ID it will never get to that point if a valid US driver license/ID meeting Real ID requirements is presented.

The job of checking IDs is an open book test. If for whatever reason someone can’t recognize a particular ID, they consult references. I don’t get why that seem so difficult.

Yeah but the point was the person didn't have an ID and the PP was saying the process to allow the individual in question to still fly was different between the two airports.

You can still fly without an ID but the TSA uses vague wording "The TSA officer may ask you to complete an identity verification process which includes collecting information such as your name, current address, and other personal information to confirm your identity. If your identity is confirmed, you will be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint. You will be subject to additional screening, to include a patdown and screening of carry-on property. You will not be allowed to enter the security checkpoint if your identity cannot be confirmed, you chose to not provide proper identification or you decline to cooperate with the identity verification process."

My only point was maybe they are asking different information to verify one's identity or their process in verifying one's identity is different at each airport. I get the PP's point though regarding differences in TSA personnel. The common goal is verifying one's identity so as long as that occurs that's the main thing.

 

[bcla]

I think TSA agents already do a good job in the ID realm at least with respects to DLs. We have 50 states with 50 different types of DLs with 50 different possible differences in looks.

Now as far as what you're talking about training-wise I'm sure they'll be taught to seek out the gold star, the wording enhanced, and lack of either of those for quick verifiers in addition to looking for "not for REAL ID", etc. We all know no one in the history of working it ever perfect though so I'd expect that somewhere someone is likely to run into issues at some point. But I don't anticipate that being large spread enough.

As far as the deadline goes, none have been granted an extension nor exception to the October 1,2020 date. Some states were granted extensions to the current rules as their states were consisdered Non-Compliant. Unfortunately for those states that waited a long time (right or wrong) their citizens are the ones left scrambling. As of right now only Oregon and Oklahoma are the two states not yet issuing REAL IDs. From reading Oregon is recommending you just get a passport card, Oklahoma is just saying get a Passport or REAL ID. Looks like New Jersey is considered Under Revew at the present moment but that won't, to my knowledge, exempt them from the October date but I guess we'll see.

Not just 50 states but 5 territories that issue driver licenses. Puerto Rico wanted to be different and didn’t put the star in the circle.

But as far as training goes, wouldn’t the common sense thing to do be to actually have employees look through pages of sample ID images? It just seems basic to me.

The main issue with recommending a passport card is that not all people who would otherwise be eligible for a Real ID compliant driver license is eligible. Permanent residents and certain nonimmigrant residents can’t get a US passport card, although a permanent resident would have a green card. Any TSA agent (even working a small airport in the middle of nowhere) who can’t recognize a green card should be summarily fired for incompetence.