Did Double Dipping FP Just End?

[Sandy Fisher]

And that just emphasizes what I've been saying all along. If you don't have the option to use FP+, you are up the creek without a paddle. So the people with FP+ who are planning days and parks and rides months ahead get the FP no matter how you cut it. And everyone else can go fish.
Bummer

 

[AmyB2006]

That's not a glitch ...No the glitches are when the FP + don't work when you can't adjust change your FP + reservations. When the MB doesn't work those are glitches there's a whole tread on them.

OMG, seriously? That's why I put "glitches" in quotes. I know what a glitch is. Let me break it down for you.

Part of the PROBLEMS now are that people are using the system, whether being told by a CM that it's ok or not, incorrectly. You shouldn't be able to stick a year old KTTW in a machine and get a FP. Like I said before, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. People are bragging about it on here all the time. Telling others to do it. Then those people do it and tell their friends.

You honestly don't think that part of the problems and reasons that there are no FPs available is because people brought every KTTW card they had stashed at home and are trying to get a FP with it? Forget being told by a CM it's ok to use your AP or RFID card. This is a whole different issue.

ETA... I would have no problems with people using their CURRENT KTTW card or AP, but being able to stick old cards in there and have it give you a FP is cheating the system. Anyone who says otherwise, needs to take a look at their ethics.

 

[Nixie]

Man, this makes me laugh. Everyone was sooo excited to use the FP+ system, touting how great it was, and even going to the extreme of making ghost reservations at resorts to get MBs. Now people are reporting that Disney is now testing the system in the manner it was supposed to be used in the first place (aka FP+ only wit no FP-), and now suddenly it isn't fair. ROFL

So, FP+ is only fair and a great system as long as you are allowed to pull FP -s with KTTW cards from 4 years ago.. K.. Got it...

 

[MJ6987]

~~It's only considered "double dipping" when using expired tickets not associated with the current trip to access additional fast passes on top of what has already been allocated.

I always thought the park ticket had to be "activated" that day for it to work in the fast pass machine?

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I always thought the park ticket had to be "activated" that day for it to work in the fast pass machine?

It has been reported that this feature has been turned off during the past couple of months.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Question...did old room key cards work to pull FPs before all of this FP+ stuff started?

Regardless, this is Disney's responsibility if they did not intend for testers to have access to FP-. They should have programmed something into the cards that either activated them for FP- or not, based on whether or not you were a tester. But they chose not to. Could have been a totally rational choice, might have cost a lot to do that. I dunno. But still, Disney's responsibility.

OTOH, maybe they did intend for testers to still have access to FP- in case the bands didn't work, since it was a test.

I think the question is now, since all of the resorts are up, how much longer do they keep stringing out this "testing" phase?

 

[ArwenMarie]

It has been reported that this feature has been turned off during the past couple of months.

Oh this looks like the answer to my question in my previous post.

So they turned off that feature? And that's how people started using any old key card to pull FP-?

Well, then this is all Disney's fault. Maybe they did it deliberately though...because the key cards themselves with the tickets wouldn't have been activated by someone using a MB to enter the park, but they still wanted them to be able to pull FP- if the bands didn't work for FP+.

I think this testing phase has to end.

 

[AmyB2006]

Question...did old room key cards work to pull FPs before all of this FP+ stuff started?

Regardless, this is Disney's responsibility if they did not intend for testers to have access to FP-. They should have programmed something into the cards that either activated them for FP- or not, based on whether or not you were a tester. But they chose not to. Could have been a totally rational choice, might have cost a lot to do that. I dunno. But still, Disney's responsibility.

OTOH, maybe they did intend for testers to still have access to FP- in case the bands didn't work, since it was a test.

I think the question is now, since all of the resorts are up, how much longer do they keep stringing out this "testing" phase?

No it didn't work that way before.

All of the resorts aren't "up" until tomorrow. Testing is "just beginning" for all resorts as of tomorrow, or the 21st, depending on who you talk to. I think November will be a good barometer of how it will go with all resorts online. I hardly call this stringing it out.

I'm sure Disney never intended, nor thought, for guests to bring old KTTW cards from years prior to try to get FPs out of the old machines. An oversight on their part, yes. Giving guests way too much credit apparently in the ethics department.

 

[Disneylover99]

And that just emphasizes what I've been saying all along. If you don't have the option to use FP+, you are up the creek without a paddle. So the people with FP+ who are planning days and parks and rides months ahead get the FP no matter how you cut it. And everyone else can go fish.
Bummer

When we were there last week, we had 3fp+ booked at Epcot. We decided to use only one. I was unable to cancel the other two because of a "blip" in the system.

I suspect there are a whole bunch of unused FP+. I wonder how Disney will deal with this?

 

[ArwenMarie]

No it didn't work that way before.

All of the resorts aren't "up" until tomorrow. Testing is "just beginning" for all resorts as of tomorrow, or the 21st, depending on who you talk to. I think November will be a good barometer of how it will go with all resorts online. I hardly call this stringing it out.

I'm sure Disney never intended, nor thought, for guests to bring old KTTW cards from years prior to try to get FPs out of the old machines. An oversight on their part, yes. Giving guests way too much credit apparently in the ethics department.

Yeah, I guess they didn't think that people would do that. They must have needed to take that check out to let the MB people pull FP- just in case.

I dunno, it's been months of testing thousands of visits at this point. If they want to keep calling it testing, fine, but they need to start putting out what the rules are going to be going forward so people can plan, IMO. The holiday season should be interesting...

 

[AmyB2006]

Yeah, I guess they didn't think that people would do that. They must have needed to take that check out to let the MB people pull FP- just in case.

I dunno, it's been months of testing thousands of visits at this point. If they want to keep calling it testing, fine, but they need to start putting out what the rules are going to be going forward so people can plan, IMO. The holiday season should be interesting...

I definitely agree that it would be nice for more information coming from Disney. I love to plan just like the next person. I haven't had any issues using the system the way it's intended so far, so I'll see in 4 days. I don't know why my ticker says 5. That's depressing. LOL Makes me think it's an extra day away.

ETA... Apparently it just switched to 4. LOL Yay!!!

 

[Disneylover99]

Part of the PROBLEMS now are that people are using the system, whether being told by a CM that it's ok or not, incorrectly. You shouldn't be able to stick a year old KTTW in a machine and get a FP. Like I said before, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. People are bragging about it on here all the time. Telling others to do it. Then those people do it and tell their friends.

You honestly don't think that part of the problems and reasons that there are no FPs available is because people brought every KTTW card they had stashed at home and are trying to get a FP with it? Forget being told by a CM it's ok to use your AP or RFID card. This is a whole different issue.

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Have you SEEN this happening or are you just HEARING about it from these boards.

I've just returned and I really don't see this as an issue at all.

 

[DavidNYC]

When we were there last week, we had 3fp+ booked at Epcot. We decided to use only one. I was unable to cancel the other two because of a "blip" in the system. I suspect there are a whole bunch of unused FP+. I wonder how Disney will deal with this?

Nothing to deal with. The ride has a certain number if people per hour who ride. If two FP+ go unused, two more standby people will ride. It's not like if you don't use a fast pass a ride vehicle gets sent with an empty seat.

 

[#1hoosierfan]

When we were there last week, we had 3fp+ booked at Epcot. We decided to use only one. I was unable to cancel the other two because of a "blip" in the system.

I suspect there are a whole bunch of unused FP+. I wonder how Disney will deal with this?

I had unused FP+ leftover each day, and could not cancel them out because if the "blip." In fact, I had more unused FP+ that went unused than paper fast passes that I pulled.

 

[Disneylover99]

Nothing to deal with. The ride has a certain number if people per hour who ride. If two FP+ go unused, two more standby people will ride. It's not like if you don't use a fast pass a ride vehicle gets sent with an empty seat.

Of course this is true, but is this the intention of FP+? To make the standby lines less crowded??

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Nothing to deal with. The ride has a certain number if people per hour who ride. If two FP+ go unused, two more standby people will ride. It's not like if you don't use a fast pass a ride vehicle gets sent with an empty seat.

I'm not sure this is 100% true. Maybe at the end of the night it might make a difference. But there is always someone in the FP line and CMs have no way of knowing that at 5:59 a party of 6's FP+s just expired unused and let 6 extra people from the standby on the ride. They have an idea of how many FP and how many SB guest they are going to let on the ride and since there is always someone in the FP line, that shouldn't change until the end of the night once the FP is empty. So it may speed of the FP line but I'm not sure it will make that much difference in the SB line until much later in the night.

Does anyone else think this is the way it will be??

 

[katie43901]

Here now, my ap is tied to my magic band. Kttw card did not work to pull fast passes but ap card did.

 

[surferdave]

Has anybody ever stood and watched a steady stream of people use the legacy fastpass machines, and get an idea of the rate at which the return time changes?

The lines outside TSMM don't diminish for a while after opening, and if a steady stream of people cramming cards into the machines could cause the passes to run out in the AM like this they would have done it a long time ago. It doesn't matter if the cards are illicit, old resort only cards being used by one evil DISer to beat the system or if they belong to the rule abiding guest who's next in line, the rate at which the dispenser works is too limited to account for the change. We even know from some accounts here that tour group leaders for the massive South American tour groups have fed the machines dozens of cards at a time, and that didn't move the needle fast enough to account for this.

The fastpasses are running out because of either (a) the prebooked FP+, (b) Disney tinkering with the number available, or (c) some other diversion of the fastpasses to someone that doesn't involve the machines. I'm personally hoping for (b) or (c) being the dominant causes, since the implication of (a) is rather troubling.

 

[ArwenMarie]

The fastpasses are running out because of either (a) the prebooked FP+, (b) Disney tinkering with the number available, or (c) some other diversion of the fastpasses to someone that doesn't involve the machines. I'm personally hoping for (b) or (c) being the dominant causes, since the implication of (a) is rather troubling.

I think A and B are kind of the same thing...I think Disney is rolling back the paper FPs to account for all of the prebooked FP+s. The prebooked FPs have to come from somewhere.

 

[surferdave]

I think A and B are kind of the same thing...I think Disney is rolling back the paper FPs to account for all of the prebooked FP+s. The prebooked FPs have to come from somewhere.

No disagreement here, but I think the wild variation of we're seeing may indicate that they are tinkering with the total number available as well, not just shifting the numbers between them.