Did Double Dipping FP Just End?

[mom2mickeyfan]

None, likely. The glitch last Wednesday was ugly. All FPs in 2 parks were mistakenly out within 15 mins. Even though the originally return times were normal (9:30am, etc). You couldn't even book a FP+. But the FP lines did not hold up to what happened and at least at TT they were handing out FPs to anyone who wanted them at noon and had a very large stack that I saw. So obviously EP figured out a solution while HS did not.

My family was in Epcot on Monday the 14th. Before the Wednesday FP glitch. Still unable to get more than 1 wanted headline FP. I read on this board about someone at Epcot this morning and their paper FP return time was 5:55 to 6:55 at 9:15 a.m. It would seem unlikely that at 11:15, when they would be able to pull another paper FP, that there would be TT FPs still be available. I'm sure that at least some of those TT paper FPs were pulled by those double dipping. There are still many in the parks that aren't allowed FP+s.

Again, I understand the reason for double dipping and very well may do it myself if I was there. But I do see the other side too.

 

[FirstTimeDisneyVisit]

It's cheating because we all know its not what is intended. People are being disingenuous saying otherwise, we all know it. Sure plenty won't admit to it they will plead ignorance "but the CM told me it was okay!" Everyone knows what is going on here.

So magic band testers should only get 3 fast passes the entire day ? how is that fair ? We used our magic bands and kttw cards for fast passes and it was great ! We did 6 park days and not once did a CM say anything to us. I thought it was a great experience and never thought twice about all this "Double Dip Talk " when ever FP+ is ready im sure it will be great but in the mean time i would LOVE to go back again and double dip my whole trip.

 

[PatMcDuck]

Dang- we arrive in 4 days!!! Nooooo!!!

We went a few weeks ago and never double dipped in 6 days at parks.

 

[Autumnslight]

I participated in the testing at the end of September, and after I got home, I took the survey Disney sent me. In it, they asked a few questions about whether we used FP+, legacy FP, both, or neither during our trip. If you used both, it asked questions related to how many legacy FP you used compared to FP+, whether you used FP+ and legacy FP at different parks in the same day, and (if you had used legacy FP in the past) whether you used more or less FP+ and legacy FP this trip compared to how many legacy FP you usually used in the past.

Based on the survey, I'd say Disney very clearly meant for testers to be able to use both FP+ and legacy FP. If that's not the case now, but non-testers continue to be able to use more than 3 FP per day, I'm going to be annoyed.

 

[DisneyDork712]

Just sort of "thinking out loud" here, but it is now my understanding that when FP+ is fully implemented, guests will be allowed more than 3 FP+ per day. If they haven't upped the number allowed yet, it doesn't make very much sense for them to so abruptly 'turn off' the ability to use the Key to the World cards that they give you... Right???

At least that is what I am going to tell myself for our trip next week.

 

[MAYNARDS99]

DD712 - I truly believe that once the FP+ system is fully implemented and legacy FP is gone, those staying at higher price point resorts will have access, at no additional charge, to more FP+.

All off-site guests, including day visiting locals will have access to 2 FP+. Value resorts to 3 FP+ at one park per day, Moderate resorts to 3 FP+ at each park per day, while Deluxe and Villa's will have 4 FP+ at each park per day. Those guests with homes at Golden Oak will have unlimited FP+.

I just noticed on the Universal' website the new Value level resort will NOT have FOTL passes included with the room, only the Deluxe levels.

 

[AuroraRora]

I arrive at WDW today - shall report back! I'm going to be seriously peeved if I can't use legacy FP, I wouldn't even want to participate in the bands if it meant losing regular FP

 

[Disneyhearts]

Ill be arriving on Saturday. We have booked our FP+ picks but most of these are for character meets, fireworks and parades. I was thinking that using the FP+ for things you can't use regular paper FP for and then pulling paper FP for rides would be ok. I will be asking the CM at check in about this. If they have disabled the availability of paper FP for those using magic bands and FP+ then I have some changes to make. I really can't see them discouraging us from using both systems especially for those who have paid extra for the park hopping tickets and then can only pick FP+ for one park per day? I don't see them selling many hopper tickets anymore it this is to be the new rule. I will definitely be using both if they are available. Looking forward to posts from ppl today in this thread and their experiences.

 

[peteykirch]

The issue is that if Disney is giving you a KTTW card with no ability to get FP- and something knocks down the FP+ system you're truly out of luck.

 

[palmtreelover08]

Some posters crack me up. At the end of August- I spent six hours of my vacation time helping work out glitches while various cast members worked on my families bands during the week. We had issues with getting into our room with the bands, purchasing meals on several occasions and trouble at the FP plus turnstiles. Do I think that I spent six hours helping you tweak your really messed up system (yes- it was a mess in August) should entitle me to "cheat and double dip?" Yes- I absolutely do! I basically got three fast passes a day for spending an average of an hour a day being a Guiana pig on my vacation. That seems like a fair trade. If I had spent six hours of fixing glitches and not have received anything other than stress-- i would have been very unhappy.

 

[surferdave]

I will be asking the CM at check in about this.

You might at well ask Goofy, Dopey or Dumbo. The answer you get will be just as consistent and just as legitimate.

This isn't unique to Magic Bands or MDE; I asks CMs a dozen questions on my visit and usually got answers that I knew were wrong, or that didn't answer my question at all.

Several people on this thread and others have tried to draw hard lines on "double dipping" by referencing some statement they saw made by Disney, but I have no doubt that Disney officials have made contradicting statements on the topic and probably had no idea what they were discussing anyway.

You can ask a CM on check in but their answer will be randomly yes, no, or maybe just like a hundred others have been. You'll get a different answer from a CM standing next to a fastpass machine; his answer may depend more on how much he enjoys throwing around his petty authority. The CM in the TSMM line will give you a different answer because she just wants to keep her line moving.

In the end there is no Rule or Truth or Right or Wrong to any of this stuff, that's all been imagined by the people here. It either works or it doesn't. This EasyWDW guy may be on to some new change, but if his basis is that somebody's card didn't work, he could have found a similar anecdote at any point in the testing to draw the same conclusion.

 

[Disneylover99]

You might at well ask Goofy, Dopey or Dumbo. The answer you get will be just as consistent and just as legitimate.
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I'm going to ask the new talking Mickey. Surely he will have the correct information. If he doesn't know, well then, nobody does.

 

[BSchaal57]

What is difference between FP and FP+?

 

[Sandy Fisher]

I couldn't begin to read every single post, but did scan through about 3 pages of replies.
My question is (and maybe it was addressed and maybe not)........what about people who didn't or don't have access to scheduling FP+ and had hoped to use their key card to get one or two FP from the machines as they have always done???
In order to keep the double or triple "dipping" from being a major problem, I don't think it's fair to anyone who just wanted to use the machines for an occasional pass.
And standing in line for two hours for something that shoudln't have that kind of wait isn't "fair" either.
Right, I know what many of you are thinking. Life isn't fair. And there are no guarantees. And Disney is a business first of all.
How disenchanting.

 

[DRDISNEYMD]

~Guests who are testing Magic Bands can still use paper fastpasses, in addition to the fast pass plus that is linked to the Magic Band. This is *not* "double dipping" and is perfectly acceptable, as guest are utilizing all of the FP's exactly as Disney instructed.

~It's only considered "double dipping" when using expired tickets not associated with the current trip to access additional fast passes on top of what has already been allocated.

 

[jmrothermel]

~Guests who are testing Magic Bands can still use paper fastpasses, in addition to the fast pass plus that is linked to the Magic Band. This is *not* "double dipping" and is perfectly acceptable, as guest are utilizing all of the FP's exactly as Disney instructed. ~It's only considered "double dipping" when using expired tickets not associated with the current trip to access additional fast passes on top of what has already been allocated.

This ^ is the true problem - people bringing old tickets and getting multiple fast passes with old tickets. That should have an end to it, not using FP+ with FP- during testing.

 

[Disneylover99]

This ^ is the true problem - people bringing old tickets and getting multiple fast passes with old tickets. That should have an end to it, not using FP+ with FP- during testing.

This kind of thing is blown out of proportion on these boards. When you go to Disney, you realize that hardly anybody even knows about this. Many/most people walking around with bands don't even realize they can use their current KTTW card to pull FP.

I was there last week. I could have used any number of old cards to pull FP. Truth be told I did not. When you factor in ADR's, tired kids, afternoon parades, you realize there really isn't time. So I really don't think this a big deal.

 

[Sandy Fisher]

A follow-up to my previous post (from this morning earlier).
Just heard from older DS who lives in Jacksonville. He drove down yesterday (doesn't have AP, etc.) for a day at Epcot. It's a long drive for one day and he doesn't do that often.
He said that he couldn't get a fast pass for Test Track or for Soarin' and the standby lines were nearly two hours.
He's as much a Disney Vet as the rest of our family and we know how to do the parks without going nuts or wasting time. Fortunately he enjoys World Showcase also.
He had no clue about the Magic Bands or FP+ and I chose not to tell him ahead of time, hoping that the crowds would have leveled off a little by yesterday and he'd be able to enjoy his day. He did enjoy his day, but wished he could have done more.
This is the type of thing I've been complaining about. The people who are getting multiple FP because they can are unknowingly (?) hurting the people who come to Disney the way they always have.
Yeh, yeh. Can't do things the way we always have.........

 

[ktmo]

We just got back and if you are park hopping, FP+ wouldn't work well by itself. I was never able to make changes to my FP+ options, so I was stuck with what I picked months ago. I kept getting a blip in the system or no other options available. So, if we rode a ride standby that we had a FP+ for, we couldn't change it. I had all my FP+ for the afternoon park, so we relied on legacy FP for the morning park. This would have been a bust if we couldn't use them. I think that if we go again and they only have FP+, I wouldn't get hoppers because of being only able to get FP+ in one park.

 

[Disneylover99]

This is the type of thing I've been complaining about. The people who are getting multiple FP because they can are unknowingly (?) hurting the people who come to Disney the way they always have.
Yeh, yeh. Can't do things the way we always have.........

There are less FP available because of more and more people using FP+ Plus parks have been busier than anticipated. I really don't think it has anything to do with double dipping.