Dhs or seaworld?

I think that the OP is only planning a few days in the Disney parks so the savings to add another day would be small. Besides you'd have to balance whether it's worth it to spend time at a park in DHS' condition. Time is an important element during a vacation too.
 
Do you really think an animal that has absolutely no knowledge of its predators and how to avoid them would survive release? I find it really hard to believe that you think that to be true.
I'm trying to sidestep this debate, but I don't mind pick up on scientific issues that aren't part of it.

For the most part, adult orcas have no natural predators, except perhaps other orcas. They've even been known to prey on great white sharks.

The real problem is learning to find their food. Orcas live and hunt in pods, and even those that stay within particular regions know how to navigate to wherever their food is for that season. Even learning to socialize to join a pod could be difficult. Orcas, like most dolphins, are social creatures.
 
I'm trying to sidestep this debate, but I don't mind pick up on scientific issues that aren't part of it.

For the most part, adult orcas have no natural predators, except perhaps other orcas. They've even been known to prey on great white sharks.

The real problem is learning to find their food. Orcas live and hunt in pods, and even those that stay within particular regions know how to navigate to wherever their food is for that season. Even learning to socialize to join a pod could be difficult. Orcas, like most dolphins, are social creatures.

The lack of ability to find food also makes a lot of sense as well. Thanks for throwing that in there. The predator issue was the first thing I thought of and I guess it does stand to reason that a killer whale might not have many of those. :)

I guess my biggest point was that a killer whale that has never lived anywhere other than Seaworld would likely not be successful if it were to be released. The reasons for that are probably many and certainly well above my pay grade. :)
 

My favorite part of this thread is when people think that being condescending and hostile will convince anyone to share their perspective.

That's why this will be my last post on this thread as I got reported on a previous Sea World thread for basically posting the same comments people are posting on this thread.Sea World is one of my favorite parks but I simply don't enjoy the Shamu show much,the dolphin,Sea Lion and pet shows are great but at most I'll do a Shamu show once a year out of 6-8 visits to the park,I think its boring.Basically I love the park and think its great but I don't care much for seeing the whales which in my opinion puts me somewhere in the middle of this stance and yet with that said somebody decided even just saying I go to Sea World is enough reason to report a thread,that's my point you can't win against these people,its their way or the highway.With that said I will be at Sea World this Sunday,the Oak Ridge boys are playing.
 
Gosh I didn't mean to spark a heated debate lol...just looking for some park advice/info, I think I got that and then some :) thanks everyone for the input!
 
SW and BG are both amazing parks. I refuse to let myself be swayed by anything without forming my own opinion. They have incredible aquariums full of delights I've frankly never seen before. Not even necessarily having anything to do with whales. Man, SW is soooo much bigger than one whale!

While walking on to Manta, one of the best ride experiences I've ever had (and I grew up on Cedar Point), you walk past the most stunning stingray aquarium, just beautiful and serene (not to mention cool and dark, a great break from the sun.) Then you ride this incredible ride with an inside inverted loop (you go upside down facing forward, not up into it facing backwards) and fly thru the sky like superman. And then, as you get off, there is another incredible aquarium with some of my favorite new sealife that I had never personally seen before, these elegant gorgeous Sea Dragons, one is called Leafy and one is called Weedy. They are serene and floating and just amazing.

Pets Ahoy is in indoor show (woohoo!) That allows you to see tons of cats, dogs, rats, birds, even a few other surprises, all perform a show with very little trainer interaction. I LOVE princesses, really I do! And I'll sing along to Frozen any chance I can get. But compare a few really funny jokes and songs we have heard a hundred times against watching FL Animal rescue dogs doing these adorable tricks and so happy and excited (like my own Gracie) and I gotta tell you, fake snow won't capture my heart that way. All the little kids (and adults) around us all feel the same way. We try not to get choked up at the adoption PSA part, but we aren't always successful...

Moving along, how about watching a Cirque style trapeze and acrobatic stunt diving show, or and there may be some dolphins that do a few amazing tricks as well, for a few minutes. Is it a dolphin show? Or incredible talented human performers doing things I'd never have the guts to try? You tell me...

How about some shark babies? This was another brand new discovery I never would have made without SW. Their shark encounter is SO wonderful! Breaking down barriers, I think. Incredible aquariams again, so many different and stunning aquariams. Walk right under a tunnel with pirhana, see a tank of barracuda literally they like are staring you down. Go into this awesome tunnel under all these gliding sharks and you can see their faces from underneath you. And huge huge fish! Come out if this tunnel aquarium and now you can see the interactive area with my favorite shark babies. They have an aquarium with some shark eggs (not all lay eggs) but these ones remind of black potato chips! And the most amazing, you can SEE the shark babies inside! All wiggling around, almost ready to check out their new BIG blue world! And next aquarium over, here they are, the pups! Welcome shark babies! They are so tiny! And when you exit the shark encounter, you can see where they grow and live in the big outdoor shaded shark and ray pool. Amazing!

What else can I talk about? Ahah! How about the Pacific sealion spot? Like you went to Cali for the day. It simulates real waves and current (like almost all their aquariams do) so it feels like a surf. Now, these guys are SO fun to watch! And this spring, we had a baby Harper seal and momma!! So sweet! Everyone was like awwwww going crazy over this baby! And more were on the way.

My sis LOVES fish and has aquariams. She also lives in Seattle, and loves to do the J pod whale watches and she has her own fish aquariams. She noted at all the aquariams we looked at, the fish were very relaxed, all of them were doing behaviors in the wild, and she says that it helps them see that these fish are not stressed or sick or nervous. I mean, the variety of fish I have seen is unlike any other aquariam to me.

Oh and while you are on your way to another stunning exhibit, you can hit Kraken, and that is a VERY FAST awesome ride!

I could comment briefly on the new One Ocean shows. The trainers are not in the water with the whales, they do everything from the glass and from the staging area. While I understand it's not for everyone, I have to say, it is unbelievable to see. These whales come up to the glass with these beautiful beaming eyes and they are so focused with the trainer, communicating with the trainer and also extremely intelligently with each other, for these extremely complex several component tricks. I gotta say, there is something soooo cute that reminds me of my Gibbs (if he thinks we have food, he goes thru every trick he knows to get some of our lunch. We don't make him, and we certainly don't starve him thank you very much! But he goes crazy doing all these tricks even when we don't ask him, just in case he can score a treat treat...) when they stick their tongues out like 'pile those fishies on in there!' I mean, you cannot make a whale do anything. If they don't want to, they won't, plain and simple.

When they first jump out of the water, you will hear screaming of awe and amazement from every little kid and adult and we have NEVER seen anything like this before. You would think they were all on an extreme thrill ride, and they are thrilled, but its because the power and elegance and beauty just hits you like a ton of bricks! The entire show has an extremely conservation message, its all one ocean for everyone, so lets all take care of it.

Oh I forgot to tell you about the Turtle Trek and the beautiful turtle tanks they have for rehab turtles that are injured and unable to make it in the wild. Watch them in these beautiful tanks from under and above. How could it get any better for these guys? They stand no chance to survive on their own. Beautiful and sad at the same time (man-made injuries in most cases, not all, but a lot.) The manatees are also here. And then, put in your 3D glasses, no Muppets here, now you are in a 360 omni dome living the 3D life of a hatching baby sea turtle, conservation conservation conservation.

I haven't even gotten started on the Wild Artic where you can see beautiful Beluga or literally play with your stuffed animal thru the glass at these entertaining and very smart and social Harper seals.

There is even more than I mentioned. I for one will be happy too when they expand their tanks. But I like to form my own opinion and I see and talk to scientists all over the park that these animals are their life's work. You cannot accuse them of exploitation on the whole. Just watch how they care for a sea turtle with no back legs and come back and tell me.

Now, I was just AT DHS again last night, and frankly, I'm itching to go back tonight. The park was completely busting at the seams. It definitely did not feel like a tired bored and empty park. I go to HS much more often than SW, as much as I love it. (Have passes to both.) Because of the FP+, which I don't have automatically at SW. We got TSMM, ST and ToT in about three days, great evening times (we work during the day) and did Walts Dream and of course the stellar fireworks. I LOVE HS still. But I would say only the power of the fireworks gets me even close to that wow feeling I get at SW (and that was because we were so close, we got covered in ash.) We used to go to SW and BG a lot more before the big tour groups came to bog down the lines. Starting Aug, I'm sure we will be back a whole lot more too.

In consensus, it depends on the experience you want. If you want to marvel down to your core at some things you have never seen before and have a very serious day regarding earth conservation that can be at times slightly heavy but necessary along with some glittering sparkling aquariums and exhibits in every corner (including great touch tanks where the kids can pet real animals) than SW is for you. If you personally make the decision not to let biased documentaries effect you (personal choice thing here) than I think it's definitely worth doing at least once. Probably will come back tho like the rest of us. (Btw, haven't been yet but the locals down here say Aquatica absolutely takes the cake compared to all the water parks!) Not to mention that no fun 'thrill' ride at DHS can compare with SW. I like them all, I ride them all, but Manta has to be in one of my top 3 faves ever. I think we will be there for the concert on Sunday too. (My honey likes them).

As for DHS, well be prepared for incredible lines, have your FPs ready, realize that the streets are very narrow and packed, but there are some super fun rides and you can act like you are a toy! Or in a frozen cartoon village. Or ride a rollercoaster with classic rock. See stuff blow up, cars run backwards, see some muppets and a fake snowman dance.

Both very fun options. You decide...
 
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It happens often when SeaWorld is brought up on here.

Arwen, it's unfortunately the core strategy of the PETA crowd that is trying to infiltrate the DIS. They search for any Sea World thread on this site and do everything possible to get it shut down. :sad2:
 
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We took our son to Sea World on his first WDW trip. I hated it. The staff at Sea World in no way compares to the cms at WDW and it doesn't matter which park. My 18 month old son started walking toward the entrance to one of the shows and a staff member jumped all over him although he wasn't close enough to cause any problem and he was clearly not old enough to understand what was going on. He wasn't even close to walking under their guard rope. It totally turned me off to Sea World. Additionally, my father commented on his most recent trip that there are no fountains there and you are essentially forced into buying soft drinks. They don't offer free cups of ice water like Disney parks do. I'd pick a different Disney park or if your heart is set on Sea World, go before going to Disney. You will be disappointed by the difference in treatment by the staff if you go to WDW first.
 
I don't see what the problem is with people caring about the humane treatment of animals?
Absolutely nothing. Unfortunately some of the more militant branch of that army can be rather off-putting. I find people are less receptive to a message when that message is, "You're an awful human being, let me tell you why."
 
I went to SW on Tuesday for the first time in about 5 years and my family liked it fine only bad thing was it was hot. Manta is one of the weirder roller coasters i've been on but in a good way and still like Kraken. I am an awful human being you don't have to tell me why lol.
 
I petitioned Disney to free their Dolphins. They live in small tanks unable to feel fresh outside air. No Seaworld for me. I won't support animal cruelty. They torture the whales into doing tricks. A vet that was just visiting and saw such abuse on the whales. I love Disney, but I recently came back from Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Kanab Utah and it was one of the best trips I've ever taken. They value each animals life and there are 1700 animals. It was so much fun volunteering. Also I don't eat animals. I love them and haven't had any in over 23 years.
 
Seaworld, hands down.
DHS might be worth a few hours but Seaworld, with all the shows, the penguin experience, the sea turtle building and other stuff will keep you busy all day, even if you leave out the thrill rides. Living Seas at Epcot can't hold a candle to all that Seaworld offers. Plus you can take pride in the knowledge that part of your admission will go to helping Seaworld continue to do wildlife rescues and rehabilitations.
 

I've been hearing a lot about Sea World having a decrease in attendance since Blackfish. I went to sea world with my kids twice before blackfish and now that I have seen it, I will never support SeaWorld again, it profoundly affected my opinion of the organization.

Anyway to answer the Op question, having done both with our kids, I would choose DHS because I feel like there is more to do:

The Honey I shrunk the Kids Playground
Hollywood & Vine character meal
Voyage of the Little Mermaid
Buzz Lightyear Ride
Star wars and frozen gift shops

Yes my kids enjoyed SeaWorld but it was very HOT walking around, they bored quickly of the shows. They enjoyed petting the sting rays and I waited an hour on line so we could feed the dolphins (that was hands down our best experience at sea world) but other than that we didn't feel it was worth the $$

Hope this helps!
 
I think that it's probably clear as mud to the OP now. That is if the OP is still around. People are all over the place about this and probably always will be. Somewhere between the zealots on both sides is likely the truth.

Personally, I'm thinking of a trip to the Texas location soon and I do support a few wildlife refuges. Even opinions can fall in that gray area.
 


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