{Debate} Pro-Choice Catholics Told to Confess

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By CHERYL WITTENAUER, Associated Press Writer

ST. LOUIS - The archbishop of St. Louis, who has said he would deny Holy Communion to Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites), now says Roman Catholic voters who support abortion rights should go to confession before taking the sacrament.

Archbishop Raymond Burke said Thursday that Catholics cannot vote for candidates or policies in support of abortion and be worthy to receive Communion.


"We always have to remember that it's objectively wrong to vote for a pro-choice politician," Burke told KMOX Radio. "People could be in ignorance of how serious this is. But once they understand and know this and then willingly do it, vote for a pro-choice candidate, then they need to confess that."


His remarks came a week after the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops adopted a statement warning lawmakers at odds with church teaching that they were "cooperating in evil." The statement left it up to each bishop to decide whether to deny Communion. Under church law, bishops adapt Catholic teaching in their own dioceses.


Burke could not be reached for comment Friday.


In January, Burke drew national attention by saying he would deny Communion to Kerry, a Catholic who supports abortion rights.


The issue has polarized Catholics, putting politicians on the defensive and fueling a larger national debate on the proper role of religious leaders in politics.


Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs, Colo., has said that Catholics who vote for abortion-rights supporters should refrain from taking Communion.


Meanwhile, in Wisconsin, Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison said he has no plans to deny Communion to local Catholic politicians who support abortion rights, considering it "a last resort."


"When we bring up this issue, the last thing I'm thinking about is who wins the election, Bush or Kerry," Morlino said. "I'm thinking about facing Jesus someday and giving an account for my people, and whether I did my best so they could be saved."


The Rev. James Halstead, a theologian and head of religious studies at DePaul University, called Burke's position "poor pastoring, counterproductive and questionable theology."


Burke said he was not trying to influence the election in Missouri, rather he was just "teaching the faith."


A task force of U.S. bishops is examining the issue as they adapt for the American church a 2002 Vatican (news - web sites) doctrinal document called "Participation of Catholics in Political Life."

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U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops: http://www.usccb.org/


Archdiocese of St. Louis: http://www.archstl.org/



Burke essay in America Magazine: www.americamagazine.org
 
Ugh, don't even get me started on the Catholic religion...(oops, clicked to post too soon!)

I don't really believe in organized religion to begin with, but this just sounds nutty.

Who a person chooses to vote for should be completely seperate from their church life. I don't think the Catholic church, or any church for that matter, should penalize it's patrons for voting for someone who has views which differ from the church itself.
Ok, if I don't stop now this will turn into a full-on rant...
 
it's an eyeroll for me.

I'm just chalking it up as yet another reason why I'm going to burn in hell.
 

Who a person chooses to vote for should be completely seperate from their church life. I don't think the Catholic church, or any church for that matter, should penalize it's patrons for voting for someone who has views which differ from the church itself.

I'm not sure how you could ever completely seperate the two. My church life and religious belief go far toward shaping the moral values that I believe in and wish for my leaders to possess.

I'm not Catholic so I really can't comment on the withholding of Communion. My own religion never withholds Communion from any professed sinner who wishes to partake.
 
I agree with you Toby'sFriend. Sounds to me like Kerry needs to make a decision if he wants to stick with the Catholic Church. I went through catechism when I was younger, and to me, the church seemed to be telling me, you must become this person before you're worthy of joining them. In a Christian church, you're accepted the way you are today with hopes of you reaching salvation and then becoming the person God wants you to be.

To me, this seems more of a personal decision for Kerry, rather an a national decision for the country to make.
 
Originally posted by we3luvdisney
I'll be right there with you!

Ya'll are in good company because I'll be there too!;)
 
They should get it together! Makes no sense to have one bishop decide no communion in his diocese while another bishop says it's okay in his. :rolleyes: Either yes or no for the entire religion.
 
I have always felt that religion is not a Chinese food menu, where you can pick one from column A and two from column B or whatever. Many organized religions have rules, regulations....call them what you want, but if the rules no longer fit your personal belief system, then it's probably time to find a new religion, who's rules better fit your lifestyle.

I am not a Hasidic Jew. If I was a Hasidic Jew, I would follow the rules of that belief system, including the prayer requirements , dress requirements etc. I wouldn't say "I want to be a Hasidic Jew, but I don't want to dress in black and have to pray "X" number of times a day" etc. Because, if you don't want to follow the rules of your religion, then it's really NOT the right religious "fit" for you, is it?

It's the same basic thing with Roman Catholicism folks. The religion has rules. If you don't want to follow them, don't be a Roman Catholic. And before I get a million responses throwing the priest sex abuse scandal in my face as a perfect example of people who didn't follow the religion, I agree with you. The priests didn't follow the religion, deserve to be defrocked, and it's abhorrent. So save the bandwidth.
 
I agree Disney Doll.

I grew up Catholic. I find some of their rules silly, like not using birth control. So, I am no longer Catholic. A religion is free to require these kinds of things from its parishoners just as any individual is free to not belong to that organization.
 
As a Catholic member of the St Louis community this guy needs to go take a flying leap!

I personally do not believe in abortion however that should have no bearing on who I vote for. Why? I do NOT vote center my vote on that policy. I am FREE TO CHOOSE my vote and be Catholic if I want.
He can speak out as his free choice. I do not agree with his policy. He is NOT the entire Catholic church. If the Pope came out today and said we are not allowed to receive communion based on our voting record I would QUIT instantly.
 
Since I haven't bben to confession since I was in 6th grade and the religion classes would make us go; I'm probably going to Hell anyway. From the responses here I'll be in good company!
 
Originally posted by Disney Doll


It's the same basic thing with Roman Catholicism folks. The religion has rules. If you don't want to follow them, don't be a Roman Catholic.


As soon as they collectively figure out what the rules are....I will be happy to decide if I want to play by them. :rolleyes:
 
Disney doll is exactly right. Either you are a catholic, or you are not. I was, but now I am not. I don't agree with all of the doctrine and/or leadership, so I left. Those who stay, but promote views which differ from the prescribed teachings are hypocrites. If you disagree, leave. Stop trying to have it both ways.
 
Originally posted by Disney Doll
I have always felt that religion is not a Chinese food menu, where you can pick one from column A and two from column B or whatever. Many organized religions have rules, regulations....call them what you want, but if the rules no longer fit your personal belief system, then it's probably time to find a new religion, who's rules better fit your lifestyle.

I am not a Hasidic Jew. If I was a Hasidic Jew, I would follow the rules of that belief system, including the prayer requirements , dress requirements etc. I wouldn't say "I want to be a Hasidic Jew, but I don't want to dress in black and have to pray "X" number of times a day" etc. Because, if you don't want to follow the rules of your religion, then it's really NOT the right religious "fit" for you, is it?

It's the same basic thing with Roman Catholicism folks. The religion has rules. If you don't want to follow them, don't be a Roman Catholic. And before I get a million responses throwing the priest sex abuse scandal in my face as a perfect example of people who didn't follow the religion, I agree with you. The priests didn't follow the religion, deserve to be defrocked, and it's abhorrent. So save the bandwidth.

Mind if I get in line behind you here DD?

ITA!

I guess the easiest solution for all y'all Catholics is to o ahead and vote for Kerry, and THEN go to confession. Then it's ok right?
 
I also agree with disneydoll. I personally have always wondered why people would want to remain part of a religious denomination where they don't believe the things professed by it when there are so many other denominations that would suit them better and that would make them more spiritually happy.
 
Why do I stay?

I am going to give my personal reasons. I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic school, etc. I have tried other faiths and they seem to condemn other religions.
Also I can't get past that "accept Jesus as your personal savior" thing. That is just too wierd for me.

Here is the main reason why I stay...
My girls are going to be accepting sacraments this year, communion & confirmation. A person that is very important to me is my mother. My mom will live in peace because my girls receive the sacraments and I will have no regret that I did follow that path. Also I just cannot see denying my dd's the sacraments.

Am I doing the right thing? I don't know but it feels like the right thing to me. I think I am in the same boat as others right now.

I keep saying we need the "American Catholic Church"!
 
WTG Mystery Machine! I agree, and I guess I will be joining the "hell" group.
 

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