Deadpool & Wolverine

[PolymerSkywalker]

Yeah, but I and everyone else seemed to know the eternals would flop, and flop hard it did. I also told many on here the marvels would flop, and it was a colossal failure. I don’t believe in luck, I think studios make their own luck.

 

[mdmost]

While I agree ont he Multiverse thing, they also have to take swings with the lower-tier characters. I mean, Guardians of the Galaxy weren't popular, like, at all. They were very niche, and yet they hit BIG. Black Panther was a hit. Ant-Man was a hit. They're not all going to be huge, but you never really know. I mean, I had 100% thought GOTG was going to land with a thud - I was wrong.

The problem with MCU is they go to the well too often and get diminishing returns. My oldest and I have rewatched most of the Infinity timeline. Some sequels worked great like Guardians 2 and Ragnarok. Others were just awful or mediocre like Thor 2 and Ant Man and Wasp. Thor 4 wasn't as good yet Guardians 3 was. I'm not sure what makes the formula of one better than the other but I think even Taika would say Thor 4 was not his best effort. Black Panther 2 was good but that was more because we all needed a way to mourn and process Chadwick's passing. It's still hard for me to watch the original Black Panther without getting really sad. He should've been the face of the franchise. F cancer.

Deadpool 3 worked because they added a new element with Wolverine. Maybe do more team-ups. Have Spiderman and Daredevil team up in the next Spiderman movie. You could say, well they did that with the Marvels which did poorly but that involved 2 characters that you needed to watch the shows to understand where they came from. Carol was a secondary character in her own story. Deadpool 3 was great because Deadpool was still the main character and Wolverine was added to help achieve the goals of the main character.

I need to rewatch the Eternals again because I really can't remember why I disliked it so much. I think it was just because it felt pointless since they were on Earth but never got involved. I know the reason why but it's just kind of cheap. I loved the giant head that appears in the sky at the end. Makes me hopeful for what they can do with Galactus.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Are there some good movies that don’t do well in the box office? Sure. Are bad movies box office smashes? very rarely.

Make good movies with popular characters and your odds go up exponentially. Not a guarantee of course, but the odds are certainly in your favor.

 

[BrianL]

Are there some good movies that don’t do well in the box office? Sure. Are good bad movies box office smashes? very rarely.

Make good movies with popular characters and your odds go up exponentially. Not a guarantee of course, but the odds are certainly in your favor.

Oh, I can think of a few "bad" movies that were box-office smashes. I mean, that's "bad" in my estimation, but there are some. Just ask Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich.

 

[Obi-J Kenobi]

I went to Deadpool & Wolverine last night. Here's what just didn't add up for me.

Are there 2 Logans and 2 Lauras now in Deadpool's universe, Earth - 10005? Or, did Deadpool & Wolverine take place well after 2029?

I understood Deadpool to try to join the Avengers in 2018 within the sacred timeline (which he arrived using Cable's time machine) and then returned to Earth - 10005 6 years later. That means Deadpool & Wolverine takes place in 2024.

The reason I'm lost is because Logan/Wolverine/X-24 doesn't die until 2029 in the movie "Logan", which I understood to be the anchor life and death event that was causing Deadpool's timeline to be destroyed. What am I missing here?

The story just meandered around. It wasn't a good MCU movie and it wasn't a terrible one either. Just meh.

 

[mdmost]

I feel like you're overthinking this a bit. Time is irrelevant in both the TVA and the Void. The Loki variants in the Void were all different ages from different timelines. Loki went back in time and found Kang before he was Kang to fix the sacred timeline. Laura is an adult or late teen when she was 10 in the movie. That would mean she was pruned in 2039 or later. She was saying her group was pruned because they weren't part of the sacred timeline. I don't think all points in time exist the same on the different worlds/universes/realities. Then again, I didn't go into this worrying about the reality of it all.

 

[Obi-J Kenobi]

I feel like you're overthinking this a bit. Time is irrelevant in both the TVA and the Void. The Loki variants in the Void were all different ages from different timelines. Loki went back in time and found Kang before he was Kang to fix the sacred timeline. Laura is an adult or late teen when she was 10 in the movie. That would mean she was pruned in 2039 or later. She was saying her group was pruned because they weren't part of the sacred timeline. I don't think all points in time exist the same on the different worlds/universes/realities. Then again, I didn't go into this worrying about the reality of it all.

Well I'm glad to know that I'm not wrong.

 

[BrianL]

I think that both @Obi-J Kenobi and @mdmost make good points here. Note that I did not see the movie, but this is why I'm not the biggest fan of all this multiverse stuff - it gets weird and confusing with multiple versions of the same characters running around, trying to include all of the previous movies (even the BAD ones) - it can be frustrating I think and hurt the narrative.

That said, as Harrison Ford once said to a young Mark Hamill, "It's not that kind of movie." All of this timey-wimey stuff doesn't have to really make a lot of sense, expecially considering that it's a Deadpool movie that is already barely making sense as it is. That being the case, I'd give them a pass on it, though I still don't think it's the best way to tell a great story. Guardrails can be a good thing, you know?

 

[mdmost]

Well I'm glad to know that I'm not wrong.

Please don't take my post as a shot at you or your misgivings. Brian makes the point I would as well about why the multiverse sucked. It's all too confusing. I don't think Ryan Reynolds and Levy were going into this wanting maximum authenticity. Deadpool has always been a break the 4th wall and reality type.

I think that both @Obi-J Kenobi and @mdmost make good points here. Note that I did not see the movie, but this is why I'm not the biggest fan of all this multiverse stuff - it gets weird and confusing with multiple versions of the same characters running around, trying to include all of the previous movies (even the BAD ones) - it can be frustrating I think and hurt the narrative.

That said, as Harrison Ford once said to a young Mark Hamill, "It's not that kind of movie." All of this timey-wimey stuff doesn't have to really make a lot of sense, expecially considering that it's a Deadpool movie that is already barely making sense as it is. That being the case, I'd give them a pass on it, though I still don't think it's the best way to tell a great story. Guardrails can be a good thing, you know?

My one hope with moving to both the Fantastic Four and Doom is they will set along a chain of events that destroys the multiverse and moves everyone towards one giant timeline with all the characters added in. That's what Secret Wars sort of was in the later comic storyline. Doom could be a character meant to end the Kang line and go for a reality where he is master of everything. Think Tony Stark having Ultron's motivations.

 

[Obi-J Kenobi]

My one hope with moving to both the Fantastic Four and Doom is they will set along a chain of events that destroys the multiverse and moves everyone towards one giant timeline with all the characters added in. That's what Secret Wars sort of was in the later comic storyline. Doom could be a character meant to end the Kang line and go for a reality where he is master of everything. Think Tony Stark having Ultron's motivations.

That would help, I think, to have everything set in one timeline.

I know this a Deadpool & Wolverine thread, but I am very concerned about having Robert Downey Jr. reprise his role of Tony Stark only to have Tony Stark no longer be Iron Man, but now Tony Stark is the villain Dr. Doom.

I think it creates confusion for the casual audience. And, for the hardcore fans, Victor Von Doom was a pretty awesome villain and replacing Victor with Tony as Dr. Doom is very unfortunate.

 

[BrianL]

That would help, I think, to have everything set in one timeline.

I know this a Deadpool & Wolverine thread, but I am very concerned about having Robert Downey Jr. reprise his role of Tony Stark only to have Tony Stark no longer be Iron Man, but now Tony Stark is the villain Dr. Doom.

I think it creates confusion for the casual audience. And, for the hardcore fans, Victor Von Doom was a pretty awesome villain and replacing Victor with Tony as Dr. Doom is very unfortunate.

I have concerns with RDJ in the role too, but his Doom is not Tony Stark but is Victor Von Doom. I don't know if they will explain the resemblance, but he is not intended to be a Tony variant.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

People will line up to see RDJ in Marvel again, no matter what role you put him in.

He’s kinda the opposite of Brie Larson in that regard.

 

[Disneyboy24]

Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman did so good acting as Deadpool and Wolverine and when Deadpool keeps going back in time in TVA to save himself from dying in his timeline and also Deadpool and Wolverine defeating Cassandra Cove I rate that movie 10/10 for Ryan Reynolds best acting.

 

[DodgerGirl]

What I think Marvel has been planning to do with Wolverine was to create a team-up movie with another Marvel hero and by making this movie with Deadpool I think Marvel is planning to make Wolverine and Deadpool like DC Comics did with Batman and Robin by making Wolverine like Batman and Deadpool like Robin and you can bet we will see Marvel do a comic book series with both Deadpool And Wolverine after this movie. I'm also surprised at how many merchandise tie-ins Deadpool And Wolverine has gotten such as a Jack In The Box inspired menu DiGiorno Deadpool And Wolverine inspired pizzas and commercials with Old Spice. But I have a feeling that this movie will save Marvel and when Eternals II gets released Marvel will give that film the same treatment

 

[Disneyboy24]

What I think Marvel has been planning to do with Wolverine was to create a team-up movie with another Marvel hero and by making this movie with Deadpool I think Marvel is planning to make Wolverine and Deadpool like DC Comics did with Batman and Robin by making Wolverine like Batman and Deadpool like Robin and you can bet we will see Marvel do a comic book series with both Deadpool And Wolverine after this movie. I'm also surprised at how many merchandise tie-ins Deadpool And Wolverine has gotten such as a Jack In The Box inspired menu DiGiorno Deadpool And Wolverine inspired pizzas and commercials with Old Spice. But I have a feeling that this movie will save Marvel and when Eternals II gets released Marvel will give that film the same treatment

Exactly

 

[jade1]

Soo good. Finally.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

So very good, this gives me faith that Marvel can right the ship. Good story, good acting, good effects, and showed nice respect to legacy characters. Very fun, and everyone left the theater with a smile on their face.

It was just announced to be the highest grossing rated R movie of all time.

 

[DodgerGirl]

My parents got to watch Deadpool And Wolverine yesterday and in my parents eyes Dad thought the movie didn't have enough action and Mom thought it was alright but not as great as she thought it would be. Mom also thought they rushed it and needed more work. But I don't get how people said Deadpool And Wolverine was a blockbuster smash of the summer but I think it was because it was a swan song for Hugh Jackman in the Wolverine role. I am gonna see Deadpool And Wolverine myself solo but I don't know when i'll see it

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

It was great and did extremely well at the box office. It was Marvels first bonafide hit in a good while.

 

[tinkerhon]

My parents got to watch Deadpool And Wolverine yesterday and in my parents eyes Dad thought the movie didn't have enough action and Mom thought it was alright but not as great as she thought it would be. Mom also thought they rushed it and needed more work. But I don't get how people said Deadpool And Wolverine was a blockbuster smash of the summer but I think it was because it was a swan song for Hugh Jackman in the Wolverine role. I am gonna see Deadpool And Wolverine myself solo but I don't know when i'll see it

Probably because it made $1.3B at the box office. And Jackman is not confirmed to be totally out of the picture as Wolverine.