DD is a terrrible driver. Help!

Didn't get to read all the replies, but your original post reminded me of when I started driving. I got my permit and began practicing at age 16, but wasn't great at it and didn't end up getting my license until age 18. My parents got my driving lessons around age 17 from a private one-on-one instructor. The instructor tried to teach me in the universal professional way (think "common core" for driving) and it was just impractical and difficult for me to grasp. His explanations of K-turns and parallel parking just confused me more. My parents ended up discontinuing the lessons, and just took me on the road as much as possible, coming up with tricks and creative ways to help me remember and do things. It all worked out, practice really does make perfect. Good luck to her!
 
My two oldest have (one is currently enrolled, one has a DL) taken behind the wheel through AAA. It is 6 hours (three 1 hour and two 1 1/2 hr) of behind the wheel in their cars with the double brake. I highly recommend it! Once finished, the child gets a "free" year of AAA which normally costs about $100. Maybe that is offered in your area?

Also, I HIGHLY recommend the B.R.A.K.E.S program! This was started by a professional race car driver who tragically lost his sons in a texting and driving accident. It is a non-profit group that travels all over the US giving free lessons to permitted and newly-licensed drivers. The kids wear drunk driving goggles, go up to 70 mph and slam on the brakes (to show how long it takes to actually stop), go through cones fast, skid, sit in the cab of a semi to see all the blind spots truck drivers have, etc--basically all the things you want your kids to learn BEFORE they need to actually do it because of a kid or a deer or whatever. All the cars are donated by Kia, so it isn't being done in your vehicle. And, it is free! Well, a check is required to reserve your spot, but you can get it back or donate it (tax deductible) at the end. Check them out on FB to see if they are coming near you or how to get them in your area. It is a WONDERFUL program, born from a tragedy. Good luck!
 
Gumbo, looks like the closest private instruction service to you is West County Driving School, http://westcodrive.com/ They are near 270/40. AAA's programs are probably cheaper, but you would have to haul her farther in; I think they run them out of the main office off of 40.

DS finally passed his test on the 3rd try last Christmas, six months after he turned 18. Second time he tried the test he was doing just fine and was nearly finished, until he missed a stop sign under a railroad trestle, which is an instant fail. He had had the permit since he was 15, but we were in no hurry to have to add him to our insurance, and since we live in the city right near a Metro station, he got used to walking and taking the train and saw no major need for the license while he was still living at home. He goes to school out of state, so luckily, we still don't have to add him to our insurance; he changed his license and he can now drive on visits home as a "guest driver."

His issue was (and to some extent, still is) that he was so afraid of veering into oncoming traffic that he hewed too far to the right. Riding in the passenger seat, teaching him to navigate the streets near the house, was a nail-biter; I kept flinching away from all of the wing mirrors that he nearly shaved off. I ended up temporarily putting a hood ornament on my car, so that he could sight the right lane margin on it. I also added "whiskers" so that he would know if he was getting too close.

I actually think that a simulator would likely help in your DD's case. Getting into several fake wrecks might help her understand traffic flow better. I would suggest that you buy her a wheel controller so as to make the scenario as realistic as possible.

Now then, for a story that will make you grin. When I was teaching DS, we often went out into your neck of the woods for practice. One day we were out in Weldon Spring, and he got a bit turned around trying to get onto 40, and ended up on a dead-end service road (he still has issues with navigating what exit to take to get where he needs to go; he often ends up backtracking when he misses the right one.) Naturally, when we reached the dead end (and this was at about 9 pm on a Saturday), he decided that it would be fun to do a doughnut in the parking lot of the building where I directed him to turn around. You know the neighborhood, can you guess where this is going? Yep, he did a doughnut in the parking lot of the Troop C Highway Patrol HQ! Luckily, no one came out to ticket us.

PS: In Missouri, where Gumbo and I both live, the rules for permit drivers say that at under age 18, they cannot take the road test until a parent has certified that the teen driver has had at least 40 hours of behind-the-wheel experience, including at least 10 hours of nighttime driving. (They give you a log form to keep track.) DS had 12 hours behind the wheel in summer Driver's Ed, plus another 80 with us before he attempted the test the first time, and at that point he blew it badly because the experience of being tested was unfamiliar and he was nervous. New drivers here are limited to 3 attempts at the road test; if you fail the third one, you have to send a formal request for permission to start the testing process all over again, and to get that, you have to provide proof of a certain number of hours of professional driving instruction AFTER the third test was taken. The number of hours required will depend on the test scores you got on your three tries.
 
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This is a smart kid, good at math, physics, bowling, shooting. But, the trajectory of a car escapes her.

Encourage her to think of driving as a physics puzzle, because in reality that's exactly what it is. Being married to a physicist has made me a MUCH better driver because now i'm always thinking about things like how my velocity affects the radius of my turn . . . there is a neat online driver's guide that really emphasizes the role of physics, she might find it an informative read:

http://www.mycaliforniapermit.com/c...physics-and-natural-laws-for-driving-lessons/
 
She's been permit eligible for 14 months & has actually had one since February. She isn't fast, nor has she hit anything (yet). But, she just has no clue.

Which way do I turn?
Which lane should I get in?
Do I have to stop?
Is it okay to go?

The kicker was today. We're approaching an intersection, needing to turn left. Light is green, but no green turn arrow, oncoming green truck with the right of way.
DD - which lane?
Me - the left turn lane (pointing)
DD - should I wait?
Me - just duck in behind the green truck

What happens instead? She cuts in front of the green truck barreling at us at about 50 MPH. And not deliberately. She does it slowly so as to be in his direct path for the longest possible time. Realizing her mistake & that there was still time to correct it, I scream "BEHIND THE TRUCK, BEHIND THE TRUCK!!!". But, she kept turning into his path. Thankfully, the pickup driver recognized the issue & was hard on his brakes. And when I realized we were too far gone to correct, I screamed "GO!". DD did respond to this, gassed it hard, and managed to get us out of the intersection alive.

I should note that as we approached the intersection, the green truck was far enough away that a more experienced & more aggressive driver could have easily and safely cut in front of the truck. But, not the way she tried it, and that's why I told her to go behind him.

This is a smart kid, good at math, physics, bowling, shooting. But, the trajectory of a car escapes her. And the constant questions about the most basic things say it's just not sinking in. Obviously, more practice (if we live through it) will help. But, her development is painfully slow. Professional help in the form of drivers ed is only available in Summer. Not getting a license really isn't an option. We live in a rural area with zero public transportation. Thankfully, she's one of the oldest in her class, so her friends are all without licenses as well (for now). But, we need to get her better - much better - and now.

Her basic operation of the car is fine. But, she needs to handle traffic & intersections better. Would something like an online driving simulator maybe help? Other ideas? Help!

Honestly, I think your instructions was not as clear as it could have been. Had you said, "turn after the green truck gets through the intersection" it would not have been confusing to her.
 
When I learned how to drive, I was often very timid & unsure of myself with regards to braking. So on a Saturday afternoon, my dad took me to a really big empty parking lot and had me do several rounds of picking up some speed and then slamming on the brakes. It really helped me get a feel for how much or how little pressure to put on the brakes. After that, I felt a lot more confident behind the wheel.

Personally, I found really specific instructions to be helpful while learning how to drive in high school. The "running commentary out loud" suggestions that others have made was something my parents did with me and that helped a lot...stuff like:

  • Do you see the biker there?
  • This intersection is tricky because people tend to run the red light a lot. I always watch out for that. See how this light is turning yellow? The other cars are all speeding up to get through the intersection before it turns red. See what happened just there? 4 cars went through the red light.
  • Ok, there's a group of bikers up ahead and this stretch of road is a double yellow line and you have another car approaching from a distance in the opposite direction. What do you think you should do right now?
 
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This is too late for the OP, and may seem silly, but if you have a riding lawn mower, put your child in charge of cutting the grass in middle school. DD did that and I feel it taught her the mechanics of driving, anticpating turns, etc. She is 18 and was a good driver from the get-go.
 
In the same boat...DD is 6 weeks away from being 16, had four behind the wheel lessons with a driving school (two more to go) and when I went to drive with her last time, I was petrified the whole time...I tried to stay calm so not to spook her but I don't see how she is going to be ready...even with two more behind the wheel classes to take.
 
Honestly, I think your instructions was not as clear as it could have been. Had you said, "turn after the green truck gets through the intersection" it would not have been confusing to her.

Perhaps, but this wasn't an isolated incident :)
 
So could you find a place outside of your rural area for lessons... make a few weekend trips to another city?
 
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So could you find a place outside of your rural area... make a few weekend trips to another city?

We've gotta survive our hometown first :crutches:

But, I did make her drive (briefly) in Florida this past Summer :)
 
We've gotta survive our hometown first :crutches:

But, I did make her drive (briefly) in Florida this past Summer :)

Haha! I meant to clarify I was asking about you being able to find private instructors In a nearby city since you don't have any in town.
 
Do you think that maybe she's not ready to drive yet? Maybe try again in the Spring.
 
I was that kid who had no idea what the streets were called or how to get from point A to point B in a car (walking or on a bus, yes---but not which streets were two way, which allowed left turns, etc). My oldest is that kid as well, though getting better.

For all of you who say "driver's ed" and "drive with someone other than a parent," my son (terrible driver, still has instructional permit after 2+ years), has had 30 hours of driver's ed, has had 6 hours professional instruction, has driven a ton with his grandmother (the patience of Job that woman, plus she figures she's lived a long life...LOL), and he is STILL just terrible.

I think the sad fact is that there ARE people who will always be terrible drivers....we've all seen them on the road, right? Not everyone is good, or competent at every life skill.

I'm at a loss to figure out what to do to help my son be a better driver. We've tried a LOT of different things, and none of them seem to help. Each time he gets behind the wheel, it's like it's his first time. Really. He's just awful. And, I won't turn him lose on unsuspecting motorists.
Honestly---6 hours of professional instruction isn't all that much for someone who struggles with driving (IMO).


We live in Germany and DS17 is taking classes now. You have to pass the test before you can drive with anyone other than a professional----and you have to have a minimum of 12 hours doing that, though 20 is the average we are told. It makes getting that licence so expensive, but also results in well trained drivers who are not picking up bad habits from parents as instructors, etc. and a good, well trained professional should be able to help a student slowly build up skills, identify what the weakness is, etc.

But, yes, you are right some people are never good drivers and others just need time. I was very uncomfortable behind the wheel at 16 and stopped trying to learn. By 20 I was up for it, DH taught me and I am fine now--though still prefer not to drive if I can avoid it.

My oldest is almost 20 and as of yet does not feel comfortable driving--it might change at some point, but if not, they'll find ways to cope.

edited to add, sorry to have quoted an older post, somehow i had jumped from the last page to a few pages back without realizing it
 
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We take our kids to empty parking lots a year before they get their permit (probably illegal????) Then the actual operation of the car, turn signals, etc, are second nature by the time they're on the road. Learning how to operate a car AND the road rules at the same time can be very difficult for some people.
 
An extended family member when he was learning how to drive had the driving instructor return him to his house saying he couldn't teach him. He drove off the road a couple of times. He's never learned how to drive.
 
An extended family member when he was learning how to drive had the driving instructor return him to his house saying he couldn't teach him. He drove off the road a couple of times. He's never learned how to drive.

Yeah, that would be my Mom. She had never needed to drive when they lived in the UK, but our home in the US was semi-rural, and her not driving was a huge hassle for a mother of four young kids whose husband worked long hours. She tried very hard to learn, but she never managed to get more than 1/2 mile from our home without getting into a wreck. Dad finally called a halt; even though he was repairing the damage himself, he said she -- and the car -- just could not take that number of collisions. She also had absolutely NO sense of direction, and would invariably insist that a given place was in the opposite direction from where it actually was.

(To be clear, Mom wasn't hitting other cars, because after the first incident Dad made sure she started out on quiet residential roads in the early morning hours on weekends. She got into an incredible number of single-car accidents. She drove into drainage ditches and streams, hit trees, hit bridge abutments, hit road signs; you name it; if it was standing still to be hit, she managed to hit it. She just could never get the hang of managing the clutch, the wheel and the brake at the same time, and tended to hit the gas when she got flustered. This was in the 1950's and 60's, when automatic transmissions were rare.)
 
Do you think that maybe she's not ready to drive yet? Maybe try again in the Spring.

I'm not going to just have her stop everything & start all over in the Spring having forgotten all she has learned so far.
 














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