Davids DVC: Rental reimbursement or rescheduling?

[AquaDame]

You can ask David's, but they will go with the "no refundable" clause of your original contract (if the resort is open in October). If you stay home, the owner would still be charged the full points cost unless they found out you didn't check in and could cancel the rest of the reservation, but then those points would be put in holding.

See if they will let you change the name of the guests on the reservation?

Thanks! With all the chatter about switching reservations for people, including trips after mine, I was not sure what exactly they were doing.

 

[WDWEPCOT]

Any Way you wish to slice this - David's is not gaining trust or maintaining trust - not from Owners nor from Renters - Moving forward I am finding it beyond me to trust anything from him. This is just my feelings as I am dealing with him as both an Owner and a Renter. I am so DONE! Well I would like to be but sad to say I have signed contracts - and I am an HONEST person who will uphold my end of the contract - and per my written e-mal - I will WAIT to be contacted by David's so I can tell him what I really think of his Voucher and his mistreatment and his plans to change signed contracts without contacting all parties involved.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

Thanks! With all the chatter about switching reservations for people, including trips after mine, I was not sure what exactly they were doing.

I don't think we really know with certainty what they're going to be doing for people with reservations when the resorts/parks are open who just don't want to or can't go. Even though I really dislike their voucher program, I think it would be overly generous to allow guests in those kind of scenarios to cancel and take advantage of it.

Either way, the only consistent thing here has been inconsistency. You'll just have to see what answer they give to you specifically, as they seem to be willing to move from the party line with some not others, allow more communication and flexibility between some owners/renters than others, etc.

 

[Sandisw]

I've read some of this thread but not all (144 pages is a lot!) and it seems like the majority here are owners... may I ask, what would you prefer your renters do?

My husband has almost entirely decided he will not be going on our trip in October* baring a miracle, which makes me wonder if I shouldn't at least ask David's what the status of the points they used for our reservation is. I do not want the owner out anything, but if its easy and their points won't expire... I'd kick myself for not asking. I know October is so far away, but if I do try wouldn't sooner be better? The other option of course is to just eat it and stay home and have no one check in... would our owner get a refund of some kind if we just no show?

*Our debate about it was sparked again today because our Governor announced today that all large gatherings are cancelled through September here. So while Oct 4th seems far away, for all intents and purposes decisions are being made that far out already.

This isn’t meant to be harsh but I have a renter checking in in August and unfortunately, if the resort is open, then I will hold them to the contract, even if they say they don’t want to go.

It will mean the points will be charged anyway, so I will lose them, but expect full payment from Davids,

Now, if Davids decides he wants to do something different for them, then I will forgo my additional 30% to be released from the contract so I can cancel the trip and keep the points as compensation.

If resorts are closed, then I will take a different approach.

 

[cmrdgrs]

I don't think we really know with certainty what they're going to be doing for people with reservations when the resorts/parks are open who just don't want to or can't go. Even though I really dislike their voucher program, I think it would be overly generous to allow guests in those kind of scenarios to cancel and take advantage of it.

Either way, the only consistent thing here has been inconsistency. You'll just have to see what answer they give to you specifically, as they seem to be willing to move from the party line with some not others, allow more communication and flexibility between some owners/renters than others, etc.

I've been pretty harsh on David throughout this thread, however on this point, I'd have to agree. The points don't belong to the broker, and the owner can only extend to a renter what DVC extends to them. I know as a general rule David does not allow "sub-lets" and owners here have said they wouldn't allow them either, so I'm not sure what would happen, but I don't think it would be "wrong" of David to simply not refund the renter if the park is open, and the renter doesn't travel.

 

[AquaDame]

You'll just have to see what answer they give to you specifically, as they seem to be willing to move from the party line with some not others, allow more communication and flexibility between some owners/renters than others, etc.

Yeah, thats part of why we can't tell whats going on exactly - since I'm not an owner I know nothing really..!

This isn’t meant to be harsh but I have a renter checking in in August and unfortunately, if the resort is open, then I will hold them to the contract, even if they say they don’t want to go.

It will mean the points will be charged anyway, so I will lose them, but expect full payment from Davids,

Now, if Davids decides he wants to do something different for them, then I will forgo my additional 30% to be released from the contract so I can cancel the trip and keep the points as compensation.

If resorts are closed, then I will take a different approach.

I don't read it as harsh at all, as I said, I don't want the owner out anything. I just also don't want to leave money on the table if there is something I should or could be doing, either.

 

[WDWEPCOT]

If resorts are open - renter does not want to go - you should still get your 30% period
David would hold YOU to the contract and you should hold HIM to it too!
If he wants to do a side deal that is of no concern to you and your contract with David.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

Yeah, thats part of why we can't tell whats going on exactly - since I'm not an owner I know nothing really..!



I don't read it as harsh at all, as I said, I don't want the owner out anything. I just also don't want to leave money on the table if there is something I should or could be doing, either.

The worst they can tell you if you ask is no! My guess is the most you'll get if everything is open is David's being willing to contact your owner to see if your trip can be moved (if it works with point expiry and whatnot).

 

[WDWEPCOT]

I’m not saying he should or should not do these deals
What I’m saying is we have contracts that are legal binding documents that can’t be tossed willy nilly to suit one party without all parties consent .
if David honors the contract to the Owner as he should ( I know ) and offers a deal to renter then that is and should be on him NOT the Owner.

 

[WDWEPCOT]

Don’t trust that - I offered to move my renter and everyone was so over joyed and then everything disappeared off the face of the Earth now that it is time to rebook them! Radio silence

 

[WDWEPCOT]

I’m old money not new money - I’m sure that is why !! No ponzi here !!

 

[AquaDame]

I'm sorry this is happening @WDWEPCOT ; I think what you were trying to do was very nice.

 

[WDWEPCOT]

Thank you - You know the old saying = no good deed goes unpunished! I was really trying to be decent - but alas it is not working.
I have had an earful from DH to last me a lifetime!!! haa haa

 

[SnowW]

We had rented points with David’s for a May DW trip. David’s has sent us for review the terms and conditions for the credit they are offering us. We have not agreed to it as of yet.

One question I had was... It states we can also use it for “Cash bookings at Disney owned resorts”... Does this mean we can have David’s book us a non-DVC regular Disney resort room with our credit voucher and not rent DVC points?? If so, would that mean we can get flexibility with our next trip, and can change dates if needed or cancel and get a refund directly from Disney? Sounds too good to be true!

Credit is available for use up to 24 months after the date of issue. Credit must be used within 24 months. Credit can be used for any service offered by David's Vacation Club Rentals including but not limited to Point Rentals, Cash Bookings at Disney owned resorts, Cruise Bookings or Adventure by Disney bookings

 

[Amymouse13]

Honestly if I were an owner I might be sticking by my contract... Was for x renter and when they check in I get 30%... Somewhere above the discussion of what to do to get remaining 30%, think is seems whatever it is isn't in your contract?? By David but letting you complete contract with original renter any other option appears not in the contract?? (Ie book someone else, not get 30%, refund 70%)??? So could he later claim you breached contract even if you did what he asked??

 

[WDWEPCOT]

I will say when I asked David's to check with my Owner to move my rental (not WDW - Aulani ) David's flat refused to even ask the Owner. I requested 3 times - all met with No. I even moved to Manager who was very snotty with me. I will state I was extremely polite with my request (i have them in writing to prove it) .
Once the hotels closed - I demanded a refund - met with No - went for charge back = all emails used against them. All this going on at same time I was offering to move my renter. Hello?? Yeah they were all for that - but help me out - Oh Heck No they don't do that! What??

 

[Amymouse13]

We had rented points with David’s for a May DW trip. David’s has sent us for review the terms and conditions for the credit they are offering us. We have not agreed to it as of yet.

One question I had was... It states we can also use it for “Cash bookings at Disney owned resorts”... Does this mean we can have David’s book us a non-DVC regular Disney resort room with our credit voucher and not rent DVC points?? If so, would that mean we can get flexibility with our next trip, and can change dates if needed or cancel and get a refund directly from Disney? Sounds too good to be true!

Nope... Your waive cancel, change, pandemic, he only pays deposit...

 

[WDWEPCOT]

Honestly if I were an owner I might be sticking by my contract... Was for x renter and when they check in I get 30%... Somewhere above the discussion of what to do to get remaining 30%, think is seems whatever it is isn't in your contract?? By David but letting you complete contract with original renter any other option appears not in the contract?? (Ie book someone else, not get 30%, refund 70%)??? So could he later claim you breached contract even if you did what he asked??

This is WHAT I am thinking in regards to the signed contracts and his ponzi scheme!

 

[Sandisw]

We had rented points with David’s for a May DW trip. David’s has sent us for review the terms and conditions for the credit they are offering us. We have not agreed to it as of yet.

One question I had was... It states we can also use it for “Cash bookings at Disney owned resorts”... Does this mean we can have David’s book us a non-DVC regular Disney resort room with our credit voucher and not rent DVC points?? If so, would that mean we can get flexibility with our next trip, and can change dates if needed or cancel and get a refund directly from Disney? Sounds too good to be true!

He will be booking the Disney resorts for you, but sent an email to another person that stated you will be charged rack rate and won’t be eligible for any special discounts offered by Disney,

The only benefit to this over a points rental, to be honest, is that it will be easier to find a room fasters dealing with Disney resorts,

But, in terms of anything else, you won’t be getting any of the benefits of being a cash guest using his voucher.

 

[fancymouse]

Not really!! Although the first renter's contract states that no accommodation, you get a refund, the new contracts has the following new clause:
"In the event of a global pandemic, natural disaster, force Majeure or any other event outside the reasonable control of David's Vacation Club Rentals, this Credit remains non-refundable and no modification, cancelations or rebooking will be permitted." So, no it is not safer!!

This sounds like it is for the credit voucher? I was referring to the new contracts. The poster below, Donna, mentioned what the new wording implies. I guess it’s good for renters, but seems awful for owners. I would be worried too!

Yes! The new contract sure scares me off. There's a section that says the owner will need to pay additional money if the initial unit is no longer available, and David gets to choose the replacement. I look at that as if the renter wanted a two bedroom at OKW and something happened, David's could put them into a two bedroom at the Grand Floridian hotel, which would cost quite a bit, and I would be required to pay the difference with no input.