Thanks. I did.
This is true for some cases. Some are able to attempt every line. Some people are not able to use standby under any circumstances, not even attempting, and have been denied. Others have certain queues they cannot attempt to wait in. I don’t mean prefer not to- I mean can’t, whether because of anxiety, PTSD, sun/heat, or other things that make it impossible or medically unsafe to wait in the queue.
It’s very difficult to argue that one cannot even ENTER a standby line. I’m not saying wait 2 hours. But those arguing for DAS still had to wait 20ish minutes in that line. So it’s hard to think of examples of lines where anxiety/PTSD would be a barrier for one but not the other for an equivalent amount of time.
No one is getting instant access to the ride (outside of make a wish, at least).
I would agree that it is difficult in most cases to make that argument, but there are some of us that literally aren’t able to use a return time if the lightning lane is a 20 minute wait when we arrive because we can’t manage that either. We already waited our turn but we’re still unable to enter the lightning lane to access the ride because even that is too long. This is the category of people that DAS pre-changes was failing. Some rides were no longer accessible to them due to the length of the lightning lanes.
Everyone has the option to enter the queue and exit if necessary (AQR). If you are a party of more than 1, everyone has the ability to wait elsewhere and join at the merge (AQR). You just need to talk to CMs in advance. And for parties of 1, CMs have the ability to decide how best to meet needs based on current conditions.
The 20 minute LL waits is what the DAS revamp is meant to fix. And so far, evidence suggests that it is working. SB lines should also be able to move more freely now that most of the capacity isn’t being taken up by LLs (DAS or the old Genie+).
No, they should be able to get a DAS and a return time, simple.
Maybe, maybe not - it’s up to Disney what they get .
I’m wondering how they could even do LL then since it’s also a queue…. Or any like at a store, airport, hotel, get into park, bus, etc. Personally I’m not sure how someone could even go to a place like Disney world if they can’t wait in line AT ALL.
Exactly.
And there are several issues there and it was possible to get around zig zagging queues or at least minimize them with a DAS, which means it is ONLY a policy change that prevents that and as such that is what makes it potentially an ADA violation to take that accommodation away.
I think the ones that say at all are going over the top, but there certainly is a difference between waiting 5 to 10 minutes when returning to an attraction vs waiting 30+ minutes in a queue.
I’m genuinely curious, what is the issue with zig zagging queues? Is it mobility devices? I was under the impression that WDW had queues wide enough to navigate with mobility devices.
Right, just a policy change.
See, this is the sort of absolute that makes this conversation go in circles. How is it possible that a person could NEVER even try a standby line, but could manage LL lines? You aren't specifying long lines, you are saying this person can't get in a 10 person line if it's labeled standby, but could get in a 100 person line as long as it says LL on the entrance?
Agreed. And in those cases the person could enter the standby line, wait 10-20min and exit if needed right? The LL before were a lot of the times 20min so I can’t imagine someone could have done those but cannot wait in a standby line at all now.
I imagine that it wouldn’t be difficult for Disney to argue that physically revamping the queues to remove zig zags would require unreasonable modifications of existing structures.
I apologize if it came off differently but I wasn’t trying to imply that someone has to qualify for those accommodations (outside of DAS) but that they are options Disney is offering for someone who needs to avoid the queue environment.
