DAS changes coming WDW May 20/ DL June 18, 2024

[voxparse]

For someone that clearly has difficulty seeing to stand/walk in a queue you suggest they then drive an ECV through the queue? That doesn't seem like a viable solution.

Probing cane.

 

[OurBigTrip]

For someone that clearly has difficulty seeing to stand/walk in a queue you suggest they then drive an ECV through the queue? That doesn't seem like a viable solution.

I'm not talking about with vision problems, I'm talking about someone who needs a wheelchair but has no one to push them.

As I said before, I don't believe for a second that Disney recommended that a blind person get a wheelchair for themselves or leave a 5 year old in line alone.

 

[voxparse]

Probing cane.

To be clear, probing cane with or without a wheelchair or other mobility device is a common solution for people with vision disabilities.

 

[Kooks and Bay Bay]

I'm not talking about with vision problems,

But you quoted my post which WAS talking about vision problems...

 

[Kooks and Bay Bay]

To be clear, probing cane with or without a wheelchair or other mobility device is a common solution for people with vision disabilities.

And when they probe a toddler?
I think people need to think about their suggestions in terms of being in a queue vs normal daily tasks.

 

[Jdavidm]

That does not address the issue at all if the person they are with cannot push the wheelchair. For example if they have a medical condition themselves that prevents it.

But why would they assume that the person they are with also has a medical condition preventing them from being able to push the wheelchair?

In most cases, it would be reasonable to suggest the wheelchair if someone with no/limited vision was concerned about walking through a queue. In the event that the only person available to push the wheelchair also has a medical condition preventing them from doing so, they would simply need to explain that and then other options could be discussed.

But in most situations, there likely would be someone capable of pushing a wheelchair so it would make sense for that to be the go to suggestion.

They also wouldn’t need to necessarily use the wheelchair all day, but it would be available to them in areas they’re concerned about safely navigating. Dangerous areas to navigate with limited/no vision would exist throughout the park, not just in queues.

 

[OurBigTrip]

But you quoted my post which WAS talking about vision problems...

Your post that I quoted says nothing about vision problems that I can see.

 

[Kooks and Bay Bay]

Your post that I quoted says nothing about vision problems that I can see.

You would need to refer back to the poster that I was replying to...

 

[nalababybear]

Disney IT....a whole different beast. At least they use queue it now. Let's see how OBB does this year compared to last year's debacle. They did relatively well for D23 releases.

It would be great to have broadened options for G+ to help those willing to pay for a better experience. As well as Functionality where things like AQR can be leveraged with the tech since it has a locator function on it already. Like a meet me option.... can only hope. Until then we use life360.

 

[lanejudy]

I can't find the original comment from the legally blind poster

The poster removed everything they posted, however it was quoted by a few and those remain. Post #7002 includes a quote.

As a reminder...please keep discussion on THIS thread, not the Approval/Denial thread which we'd like to keep to first-hand reports of DAS registrations.

 

[lanejudy]

Do you mean this post?
https://www.disboards.com/threads/d...l-june-18-2024.3943880/page-268#post-65509138

No, that is not the post to which @mistysue refers. As noted above, the post no longer exists, though it was quoted a few times.

That does not address the issue at all if the person they are with cannot push the wheelchair. For example if they have a medical condition themselves that prevents it.

That would need to be discussed at the time the suggested recommendation is made, if there is no one to push. It doesn't necessarily negate the suggestion, but it may not be appropriate for all individuals with vision problems in the queue.

 

[lanejudy]

What's frustrating to me as an IT professional is that if Disney would just get their act together in the IT sphere, they could truly tailor the DAS to individual need and perhaps offer it to some of the folks who are borderline now but not getting approved.

I can see how that SOUNDS like an ideal situation at first blush. But I think it could be a nightmare of a program to implement and maintain. So many different factors feeding into so many different options, and why did Mr X get A but Ms Y got B and then kid Z got both A+B. Too individualized for a public accommodation. Plus at some point there will always be another set of those who might be considered "borderline" so it just continues to loosen the program.

 

[dbriggsq]

ECVs are available.

Yes and they’re $65 a day - over $700 for a 14 day trip (typical international trip), often sell out quickly, very cumbersome to deal with if you’re not used to them and not cost effective if you can only manage 2/3 hours a day. We’ve had this suggested previously by a CM who couldn’t/wouldn’t understand our issues.

 

[OurBigTrip]

I can see how that SOUNDS like an ideal situation at first blush. But I think it could be a nightmare of a program to implement and maintain. So many different factors feeding into so many different options, and why did Mr X get A but Ms Y got B and then kid Z got both A+B. Too individualized for a public accommodation. Plus at some point there will always be another set of those who might be considered "borderline" so it just continues to loosen the program.

Fair enough - there would be a gazillion configurations

 

[Jrb1979]

Disney IT....a whole different beast. At least they use queue it now. Let's see how OBB does this year compared to last year's debacle. They did relatively well for D23 releases.

It would be great to have broadened options for G+ to help those willing to pay for a better experience. As well as Functionality where things like AQR can be leveraged with the tech since it has a locator function on it already. Like a meet me option.... can only hope. Until then we use life360.

For AQR the plan is to have you meet your party at the LL merge point. You won't go back through standby.

 

[theMoreDisneytheBetter]

No, that is not the post to which @mistysue refers. As noted above, the post no longer exists, though it was quoted a few times.



That would need to be discussed at the time the suggested recommendation is made, if there is no one to push. It doesn't necessarily negate the suggestion, but it may not be appropriate for all individuals with vision problems in the queue.

I find it amazing that blind people can run marathons, climb mountains, and travel the world but somehow navigating switchbacks in a slow moving Disney line is “insurmountable.” Sure, we can “what about” all day long to argue what DAS is needed. But every single post like that just shows why a DAS overhaul is necessary.

My grandmother was an amazing woman who happened to have been legally blind from birth (very limited vision) who was married to someone who was blind in one eye due to an accident on childhood but went on to become one of the greatest that ever worked in his field. Their combined list of accomplishments was incredible. They even managed to successfully navigate Disney.

 

[theMoreDisneytheBetter]

Yes and they’re $65 a day - over $700 for a 14 day trip (typical international trip), often sell out quickly, very cumbersome to deal with if you’re not used to them and not cost effective if you can only manage 2/3 hours a day. We’ve had this suggested previously by a CM who couldn’t/wouldn’t understand our issues.

How much does said 14 day international trip cost? Just out of curiosity…

$65/day is equivalent to one table service entree with tax and tip. Not even drinks and dessert.

 

[theMoreDisneytheBetter]

So many people seem to forget that “I don’t want to pay for something” is NOT the same as “I NEED something.”

 

[Kooks and Bay Bay]

I find it amazing that blind people can run marathons, climb mountains, and travel the world but somehow navigating switchbacks in a slow moving Disney line is “insurmountable.” Sure, we can “what about” all day long to argue what DAS is needed. But every single post like that just shows why a DAS overhaul is necessary.

My grandmother was an amazing woman who happened to have been legally blind from birth (very limited vision) who was married to someone who was blind in one eye due to an accident on childhood but went on to become one of the greatest that ever worked in his field. Their combined list of accomplishments was incredible. They even managed to successfully navigate Disney.

I mean couldn't we have this mindset with every disability?
Autism for example?
People with Autism have accomplished absolutely amazing things that non Autistic people may not have yet they can't stand in a line?

 

[lanejudy]

Yes and they’re $65 a day - over $700 for a 14 day trip (typical international trip), often sell out quickly, very cumbersome to deal with if you’re not used to them and not cost effective if you can only manage 2/3 hours a day. We’ve had this suggested previously by a CM who couldn’t/wouldn’t understand our issues.

Have you looked into renting via a 3rd party vendor? It would be considerably less expensive. With a 14 day trip, presumably one could take some time to practice around the resort. Or even before the trip if there is a store or zoo near home where one might practice. Or a wheelchair is less expensive.