DAS changes coming WDW May 20/ DL June 18, 2024

I'll make this shorter,
1,A broken leg was not a condition covered by DAS.
2. More or less, yes. Expanding Rider Swap is an excellent idea. I've long felt it should be extended in this manner. It has often been asked on this forum if rider swan was an option for children who are afraid of rides like HM, even though they are tall enough to ride. Disney is finally listening.
3. Fraud is never okay. If you say you saw it, I'll take your word.
Per Judy's request, I'll leave point 1 alone as to what I was trying to show with my example vs. what my posts must be reading as.

Just wanted to say thanks for the chat and for being so evidence-forward in your discussions. 👍
 
I've actually seen some reports where people were pleasantly surprised that the revised accommodations worked better than they anticipated. Most have said they still like the DAS better, and that the new accommodations weren't at the same level as DAS (obviously), but there were able to make it work.

I'm also seeing more posts (on other sites) that some people aren't even requesting DAS any more because they either a) assume they won't be approved due to the new criteria or b) realize that the new accommodations will work for them.

That's where my sister is at - now that she knows about AQR, she's not even going to call about the DAS. So long as there is a way for her to leave the line if necessary, she's perfectly happy with leaving if need be and meeting up with the group upon her return.
This. DAS is not the only accommodation.

Disney is now being more clear about this with the DAS revamp.

AQR, RTQ, and expanded definition of Rider Swap in combination will help most of those needing reasonable accommodations. It won't help all for sure.

Disney is changing and hopefully will adjust its processes as more real life data is accumulated at wdw and upcoming go live at DLR.

Visitors too will need to adjust too to this new reality. We may need to our next go around with Disney. We just don't know what Disney will say to our adult so with ASDs needs...we all will adjust to it though
 
This. DAS is not the only accommodation.

Disney is now being more clear about this with the DAS revamp.

AQR, RTQ, and expanded definition of Rider Swap in combination will help most of those needing reasonable accommodations. It won't help all for sure.

Disney is changing and hopefully will adjust its processes as more real life data is accumulated at wdw and upcoming go live at DLR.

Visitors too will need to adjust too to this new reality. We may need to our next go around with Disney. We just don't know what Disney will say to our adult so with ASDs needs...we all will adjust to it though
I know it's needs-based, not diagnosis-based, but, if it makes you feel any better at all, I am an adult with ASD and was both approved for DAS under the new rules AND permitted to add my mom and my husband to my party. They did *not* ask us to use Rider Swap or AQR instead.

The cast member was also extremely kind, patient, and understanding, as well. She didn't speak over me or treat my concerns dismissively.

I hope your CM experience is just as positive.
 

https://nypost.com/2024/03/27/us-news/private-school-students-get-fake-adhd-diagnoses-boost-sat/

Just one example

"One mom of a junior at an elite Manhattan prep school said that out of her daughter’s eight closest friends, six have gotten extra time."
The New York Post isn't exactly the most reputable news source...especially since most of their supposed sources are not named in the article.

If I had written, "One mom of a junior at an elite Manhattan prep school said," (as a souce) my journalism professor would have given me a big fat zero.
 
Per Judy's request, I'll leave point 1 alone as to what I was trying to show with my example vs. what my posts must be reading as.

Just wanted to say thanks for the chat and for being so evidence-forward in your discussions. 👍
This is a complex subject. :)

I am not opposed to DAS reform. DAS has always been an imperfect solution, and Disney has always been free to revise their policies.

Still, Disney could have done a better job of rolling out this change.

I don't like posting rumors, but it has been rumored that Disney plans to change/improve G+. Parkgoers seem to miss the ability to pre-book LL.

That's a big part of why I'm following this thread. If everyone can now use rider swap, that's a change for the better.
 
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My understanding is that is not yet clear in the wording re: Rider Swap for WDW - that DLR's wording has been updated to account for disability and rider swap, but not WDW's
It does not say anything about disabilities, but not reaching a height requirement is not required. From:
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/rider-switch/

What Is Rider Switch and How Does It Work?
If Guests in your party can’t or don’t want to board an attraction, you don’t have to miss out!

If a child does not meet the height requirement or a Guest does not wish to board a particular attraction, no problem.
 
My understanding is that is not yet clear in the wording re: Rider Swap for WDW - that DLR's wording has been updated to account for disability and rider swap, but not WDW's
Yes, DLR is broader and more encompassing. My gut tells me that DAS interpretations will be moreso too; especially with a live team in the esplanade.
 
The New York Post isn't exactly the most reputable news source...especially since most of their supposed sources are not named in the article.

If I had written, "One mom of a junior at an elite Manhattan prep school said," (as a souce) my journalism professor would have given me a big fat zero.
Whether or not the NYP is reputable, saying that 6 of my child's 8 friends get accommodations is beyond being too small of a sample size. Even saying a single school gives 75% accommodation is too narrow. If the article said "a survey of all elite private schools in New York State shows that 75% receive accommodation" then we are starting to get closer to an accurate number.
 
This is terribly concerning for those who suffer from anxiety when being in enclosed spaces and/or in tightly packed crowds. I am not sure how some folks I know will manage the lines and pre-show rooms now. I don't think Disney has thought this through.
I was reading through comments to see if this had been addressed. My friend and I are planning a DLR trip in September. She is blind in one eye and she gets very disoriented in dark, confined or overly crowded spaces.This leads to anxiety and panic attacks. I wonder how many CM's have seen someone have a panic attack? It's downright scary.
 
I’ve heard DAS approved on one coast will be valid for the other coast — so I think they’ll keep the qualifications standard.
True. There's been at least one verified on FB that all they need is call the DLR team and they can pull up the approval and load the DLR app accordingly.

My point was DLR being in California and a more proactive environment tends to be more disability friendly overall than our experiences with wdw overall.

The processes may adjust more with the DLR go live and feedback from those interactions.
 
I'll make this shorter,
1,A broken leg was not a condition covered by DAS.
2. More or less, yes. Expanding Rider Swap is an excellent idea. I've long felt it should be extended in this manner. It has often been asked on this forum if rider swap was an option for children who are afraid of rides like HM, even though they are tall enough to ride. Disney is finally listening.
3. Fraud is never okay. If you say you saw it, I'll take your word.
This is a complex subject. :)

I am not opposed to DAS reform. DAS has always been an imperfect solution, and Disney has always been free to revise their policies.

Still, Disney could have done a better job of rolling out this change.

I don't like posting rumors, but it has been rumored that Disney plans to change/improve G+. Parkgoers seem to miss the ability to pre-book LL.

That's a big part of why I'm following this thread. If everyone can now use rider swap, that's a change for the better.
WDW website has actually said it can be used for guests who are not able to or do not wish to ride as well as too-small children for quite a while - I’d say at least 5 -7 years. My husband and I used it for attractions our adult disabled daughter can’t ride and she can’t be left alone while we ride together. One of us waited in the Standby Line while the other waited with her, then person 2 rode while person 1 waited with her.
The recent change I noticed on the WDW website was it changed for selected attractions to ‘most’
My understanding is that is not yet clear in the wording re: Rider Swap for WDW - that DLR's wording has been updated to account for disability and rider swap, but not WDW's
The DLR listing includes very specific wording:
  • Meets boarding requirement and does not want to ride but cannot wait outside queue on their own
The WDW wording has been changed in the last week or so to say the same:
  • Meets boarding requirement and does not want to ride but cannot wait outside queue on their own
 
Remember this huge scandal in 2019? It had many crazy parts, but a key component was making sure the students took their SAT/ACT at a site with extra time limits, where they were bribing the proctors to correct answers.

https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/college-admissions-scandal
Lori Laughlin and her husband were thoroughly prosecuted. As were many others in the case.

Remember, the original claim was, "Look no further than mainstream classrooms in expensive areas where 75% of kids are granted extra time on tests, for example."

Saying that 75% of 'mainstream students" are granted extra time on 'tests' is a far cry from the 2019 scandal.
 
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The DLR listing includes very specific wording:
  • Meets boarding requirement and does not want to ride but cannot wait outside queue on their own
The WDW wording has been changed in the last week or so to say the same:
  • Meets boarding requirement and does not want to ride but cannot wait outside queue on their own
I'm glad to see it's been standardized between the two parks finally! Thanks for the update!

That said, it seems like in both of these cases it does require that there be someone who does not want to ride. Versus being available as an accommodation for someone who does want to ride, can't wait on their own, but cannot be in the queue either. So it reads like it's not so much an accommodation for the disabled person who cannot wait alone, but rather for their caregiver(s) who may want to ride.
 
I'm glad to see it's been standardized between the two parks finally! Thanks for the update!

That said, it seems like in both of these cases it does require that there be someone who does not want to ride. Versus being available as an accommodation for someone who does want to ride, can't wait on their own, but cannot be in the queue either. So it reads like it's not so much an accommodation for the disabled person who cannot wait alone, but rather for their caregiver(s) who may want to ride.
I agree, but then again, there are other accommodations for the disabled person.

While I would personally like to see them open up rider switch as accommodation in lieu of AQR for some rides, the existing accommodations should work as well.
 
That is where the documentation could make a difference and it is how it works in Europe.
I m just saying that it is nearly impossible for a cm to make a correct judgement. I have the experience with my kid but would not be able to do this for others.
I can think of very few circumstances where people are allowed to pick their own accommodation for a facility. Most people aren't even allowed to do that at work.
 














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