Dance Moms with daughters in pointe shoe question?

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My 12 yr old will be starting pointe ballet this summer. We just went to go get her fitted for shoes. Now that we are home with the shoes, she says they are uncomfortable :guilty:. I am wondering how these things are supposed to fit. I realize they are not going to be the most comfortable shoes, they aren't made to be. The ladies at the store who fit her seemed more concerned with how the back heel fit into the shoe when she did a releve than how they felt at the toe area. When she walks they are tight and pinch her feet, when she is on pointe they feel better. I know they will break in, but she was much less enthused when she got home and tried them on here. She will have her dance teacher look at the fit at the studio, of course. I am curious if this is par for the course with them feeling not so great, even if the store says they are fit properly? I hate to spend so much for shoes (anyone who knows me knows I always buy them online to try and save a few bucks :upsidedow ) and have them be totally wrong after we sew the ribbons and elastic on them. I guess I am just a little nervous because of the expense. I cringe at how tight the dance teacher wants the girls' shoes to be, I am trying to get over that!
 
I will have to ask my DD if I talk to her tonight or my sister but I do know they have to be incredibly tight. That much I know!


Just think if she becomes a professional ballerina they only dance in them once! 1 performance per pair of shoes.
 
What she's describing is pretty normal. Pointe shoes are an extremely strange sensation to get used to and it takes a while. Obviously talk to her teacher about it, but it doesn't sound like there's anything unusual happening. Especially because she's been in ballet slippers for years, the transition to pointe can be a little uncomfortable.
 
My dd says: if they feel to narrow and hurt have them looked at. But as she wears them the box will soften and feel better. If her toes are curling, that is bad.

Never sew in ribbons and elastics in until her teacher looks at them.

I always think the fitters spend a lot of time looking at the heel also, but they also look at the arch and ask lots of questions about how the box fits also. We drive an hour to go a store that does better fittings and had more styles to choose from. I understand where you are coming from on the expense, we ordered a pair for dd this spring (she had been the same shoe for 2 years) and they sent the wrong size (narrower). Dd tried them on and said they were fine and would stretch. 2 weeks later we were back down at the store getting new ones......... At least I am thinking we can take those to the beach this summer and get some pictures and not ruin her good shoes.

Congrats to your dd!!!!
 

I danced pointe for years and what she is feeling is normal. They are not super comfortable. She will get used to them though and they do get better as you break them in.

Congrats to your DD!
 
I would have her try them on in front of her instructors before sewing the ribbons in. That way they can address any issues with the fit.

Congrats! It is so cool to watch them dance. :goodvibes
 
My DD (12) started pointe last summer and said the same thing at first. Her feet and ankles were sore for the first few classes. We are lucky, her dance instructor goes to every first fitting to make sure they are proper before we buy them. She did start with the lambs wool stuff on the toes and that helped but recently moved to the material toe pieces.

Congrats to her!! The dance is so beautiful when they are on pointe. She just had her first recital on pointe and they danced to songs from "Enchanted." I cried...alot:sad1:;)
 
It doesn't sound unusual but definitely have her teacher check them before you sew. A trip back to the store wouldn't be a bad idea either just to be sure. The heel fit is very important because that is where many people have an issue. DD18 couldn't wear Russian Pointes because they would twist and pop off her heel.

You might consider ouch pouches to make them a bit more comfortable.

Pointe shoes are very specific to each person. DD finally settled on Suffolk's as her shoe of choice. She wore them with ouch pouches and a big tip on her big toes as bruised toe nails were an issue for her.

Good luck! In my experience, the search for the perfect shoe is never ending.
 
Padding, padding, and more padding. My daughter (12) has been on pointe now for 3 years. What you describe sounds normal, they are uncomfortable shoes by their very nature. She needs to develop strength and conditioning and they will become better. At first they will not spend much time actually on pointe... When my daugher started pointe she was taking about 8 hours of class a week and they only spent about 30 minutes or so 2x a week doing actual pointe work... the next year was more time on pointe during classes... and now the majority of her ballet work (5 hours per week) is done on pointe.

If her teacher allows ( my daughert's first teacher only allowed lambswool)... there are foam pads that will help the comfort... also silicon toe covers for the big toes in addition to the foam covers. Keep her toe nails very short... epsecially the big toes, as it is not uncommon for pointe dancers to lose their tonails occasionally (my daughter is regrowing one as we speak).

here are some links to the pads I was talking about:

http://www.amazon.com/Capezio-Women...UTF8&qid=1401330283&sr=8-10&keywords=toe+pads

http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Poin...UTF8&qid=1401330283&sr=8-14&keywords=toe+pads

these are similar to the toe gel cozies we use... I have gotten them through the both a dance supply store and at a local drug store like Rite aid in the foot aisle.

http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Tec-Athle...8&qid=1401330469&sr=8-2&keywords=toe+gel+pads

Good luck and many happy dances for your daughter.
 
I did ballet for 10 years and have been through my share of pointe shoes.

Pointe shoes by nature are uncomfortable. They shouldn't be unbearable, but they're not sneakers. The fit is equally as important in the toe box as the heel. Your DD's toes should be very snug, but not crumpled. The heel is something the fitter will look at a lot because it's a good indication of sizing. You want to have very little fabric to pinch when en pointe. The goal here being that the foot does not slide down in to the box as the dancer goes up on pointe. When a foot is flat on the floor, it is longer and wider than a pointed foot, so the fit of the shoe will be very tight.

I would not be too concerned since your DD said the shoes feel better on pointe than standing normally, which is when the fit needs to be exact. The shoes will break in and stretch a bit and should become more bearable on a flat foot.

But, as others have said, make sure the instructor gets a look before sewing any ribbons or elastics on the shoes.
 
Sounds like a normal fit, but make sure she gets a good toe pad. She may also find different shoe types feel different. My daughter went with a gel toe style which was better for her.

I would definitely make sure that the teacher takes a look at the fit though and always have her fitted by a professional. At her age her feet can grow quickly and the shoes will need to be re-fitted.

Bones in girls feet usually stop around age 14. Until that time it is extremely important to have her feet checked at doctors appointments and by the teacher. You do not want her technique or the shoe fit to cause abnormal bone growth.
 
Padding, padding, and more padding. My daughter (12) has been on pointe now for 3 years. What you describe sounds normal, they are uncomfortable shoes by their very nature. She needs to develop strength and conditioning and they will become better. At first they will not spend much time actually on pointe... When my daugher started pointe she was taking about 8 hours of class a week and they only spent about 30 minutes or so 2x a week doing actual pointe work... the next year was more time on pointe during classes... and now the majority of her ballet work (5 hours per week) is done on pointe.

If her teacher allows ( my daughert's first teacher only allowed lambswool)... there are foam pads that will help the comfort... also silicon toe covers for the big toes in addition to the foam covers. Keep her toe nails very short... epsecially the big toes, as it is not uncommon for pointe dancers to lose their tonails occasionally (my daughter is regrowing one as we speak).

here are some links to the pads I was talking about:

http://www.amazon.com/Capezio-Women...UTF8&qid=1401330283&sr=8-10&keywords=toe+pads

http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Poin...UTF8&qid=1401330283&sr=8-14&keywords=toe+pads

these are similar to the toe gel cozies we use... I have gotten them through the both a dance supply store and at a local drug store like Rite aid in the foot aisle.

http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Tec-Athle...8&qid=1401330469&sr=8-2&keywords=toe+gel+pads

Good luck and many happy dances for your daughter.

These are all good suggestions, but I would definitely talk to her instructor about what she recommends. Being able to feel the floor through whatever padding you are using is essential for a beginning pointe dancer. It is important to their stability en pointe. If you get so much padding in a shoe you cannot feel the floor it can actually make it harder to stay on pointe and can make turning more difficult as it is harder to hold your center of gravity.
 
I danced pointe for many years, many moons ago!! My daughter also danced pointe for many years. Pointe shoes are never comfortable, but I agree with the others that her instructor should look at them before you sew ribbons and elastics on them. We are very fortunate to have a wonderful store and a fantastic fitter in our area (in fact it's the same store Nancy Kerrigan bought a lot of her supplies!), but not all fitters are alike. As an aside and a little tip, if you want to "clean up" pointe shoes for a performance use calamine (maybe bad spelling!!) lotion. Almost exactly the same ballet pink shade.

Good Luck and Happy Dancing!!
 
DD has been on pointe for 10 years and is currently a soloist in one local ballet company and a contributing artist in the other; we have been through more than our share of pointe shoes! Previous posters have made lots of good points (no pun) to keep in mind.

When I fit a shoe, any kid who tells me it feels good is lying! Pointe shoes should fit like a glove. Unfortunately for the paying parents, they can't be fitted with a little space for growth; the dancer will slide in the shoe and will get hurt. Pointe shoes should feel a little too tight when standing, as the foot will change shape slightly when on pointe and the shoe will fit better. Heel fit is as important as anything else; not only does it need to fit snugly, but by looking at how the heel fits, you can tell if the shoe is twisting. Your dancer's shoe should fit snugly as she stands on two feet, with her toes should be flat on the floor, not pointed, curled, or scrunched up.

As far as shoe accessories:
Toe Pads: Check with the teacher and see what she allows for toe pads. Many of the thicker gel pads keep the dancer from being able to feel the floor; NOT a good situation! Also, many of the girls find that the thicker gel pads constrict blood flow and make their toes numb- another bad situation. DD likes the Gellows, which are fabric on one side and a thin gel lining on the other. Toe pads need to be stored someplace where they will dry. DD keeps hers in a mesh bag. IDEALLY, the only thing inside a dancer's shoe should be her foot; keep the padding to a minimum for best control of the shoe!

Ribbons- I recommend Flexors. These have a piece of elastic that you align across the dancer's Achilles tendon (align first, then pin in place). The elastic allows the ribbon to flex slightly and keeps some of the pressure off the tendon, to help avoid tendinitis. Other companies make elasticized ribbon, but you don't want the ribbons to cling tightly; you want them to stretch. It's also really nice to have soft, shiny pink ribbon!

Elastic- most teachers require elastic to keep the heel of the shoe in place. DD likes Gaynor Minden elastic the best; it's soft and stretchy, but strong. Check with the teacher to see what she likes- or ask the older dancers at your studio. The teacher should show your dancer where to place the elastic; although there's a "traditional" placement, it's really more important to find where your dancer's shoe gaps or slips and place the elastic accordingly.

Spacers- Most dancers wear a gel spacer between their big and first little toe. This helps keep the big toe aligned and helps prevent bunions (which are an occupational hazard). You can order these, but DD buys hers at the local pharmacy (Rite Aid) in the foot care aisle. IF your dancer has a little toe that naturally tucks under her other toes, you can buy skinny little spacers to keep that baby toe aligned.

Toe Caps- Most dancers should not be wearing toe caps. It's just another layer of stuff keeping the dancer from feeling the floor. An exception to this is the dancer whose second toe is longer than her big toe. These dancers sometimes need a cap on their big to to even out the length.

Tape- Many dancers tape their toes when they feel chafing begin. Blisters and pointe shoes are an ugly combination! Different dancers prefer different types of tape. DD used to use the clear plastic, slightly stretchy first aid tape (the kind that seems to have perforations and tears evenly). However, during a summer with the Rockettes she learned that they recommend masking tape. It works well and is the cheapest alternative. That's what she now uses most often.

Care of pointe shoes: The boxes (hard front part of the shoe) of the vast majority of pointe shoes are made from layers of muslin or paper and paste. Since feet sweat, point shoe boxes soften up when they get damp. While this is good to some extent as it allows the shoe to mold to the foot, it also weakens the box and shortens the life of the shoe. Pointe shoes need to be dried between wearings to protect their integrity. This means DON"T keep them in anything plastic. Ideally they should come out of the dance bag each night (DD leaves them on top of her dance bag, so she doesn't forget to take them the next day). This is important, when you consider that pointe shoes cost in the neighborhood of $100 a pair, and many will be dead within 6 hours of dance time! Also, anything with gel (toe pads, spacers, etc) should not be kept in plastic bags either (I know lots of kids who keep them is ziplock sandwich bags, but this is a BIG no-no!). DD has a mesh bag (delicates laundry bag from Dollar Tree) that she keeps all toe paraphernalia in.

BUYING- Pointe shoes are expensive. No two ways around it, and they need to be replaced when they start to break down, wear through the platform (this isn't' when the satin wears off… this is when they wear down into the padding so the raw material of the box shows through), the shank breaks, or the kid's foot grows or changes. If the shoe is the wrong size or your kid's foot grows/changes, she should have a new fitting. Once her foot has stabilized, if you choose to order pointe shoes online (that's how DD gets hers), DON"T sew on elastic or ribbon until the teacher approves the shoe if it's a new style or size. Pointe shoes can be returned, but not if you've sewn anything on them. (One year, after DD came back from an injury, she needed a completely different shoe, but our closest pointe shoe store was a 3 hour drive away; I had no fewer than 9 pairs of shoes in my dining room for her to try on. She ended up finding ONE pair that would work temporarily until we had the opportunity to go for a fitting- all the others went back, and yes, I was out the cost of shipping!)

Pointe shoes are an investment, but please don't cheap out. Think about what you are asking your dancer to DO in these shoes. Dancing on pointe is NOT a natural use of your kid's feet, and she is going to need these feet a LOT longer for far more things than she's going to be dancing on pointe. It gets expensive if your daughter is serious about performing. DD's feet are 2 different sizes, so she has to buy two pairs at a time. Some companies are notoriously behind in stock; girls will order 6 pairs of Russian Pointes at a time when their style is back in stock. It is what it is; I am just glad it doesn't cost as much as outfitting a hockey player, even if the dance bag smells as bad or worse than the sports bag!
 
The fact is that dancing on pointe is asking the foot to do something unnatural. I'm not saying it's bad or that she shouldn't do it, but it's going to hurt and it's going to deform her feet over time. I think the most important thing is to check with her pediatrician to make sure he thinks her feet are mature enough. Kids shouldn't go on point until then or they're going to be miserable and the bones will actually sustain damage. Twelve is the earliest I'd expect a girl to be ready to go on point. Look out for your daughter.
 
The fact is that dancing on pointe is asking the foot to do something unnatural. I'm not saying it's bad or that she shouldn't do it, but it's going to hurt and it's going to deform her feet over time. I think the most important thing is to check with her pediatrician to make sure he thinks her feet are mature enough. Kids shouldn't go on point until then or they're going to be miserable and the bones will actually sustain damage. Twelve is the earliest I'd expect a girl to be ready to go on point. Look out for your daughter.

My sister is a professional dancer, and due to the rush to get on pointe, had foot problems by her mid 20s and had to rethink her life. She is still a professional dancer and choreographer, but stays mostly in the other disciplines.

I'd completely agree with this.

As far as the OP? Yeah, they are not going to be comfortable at first. But, then again, neither are Jazz split soles until you break them in...

It's been mentioned, but there is a TON of maintenance involved with pointe shoes.

I am not an expert, by any means (I'm a guy, but I danced and did musical theatre)...I just think, I wouldn't allow her to be pushed into point until her legs (specifically ankles) can handle it. 12 is good, but 13 or 14 is better with more training.

Unless you are trying to create a Russian prodigy whose body craps out by age 30...this may be too early.

But, I don't know the details of your situation, so take that as commentary and well meaning advice, nothing more.
 
My sister is a professional dancer, and due to the rush to get on pointe, had foot problems by her mid 20s and had to rethink her life. She is still a professional dancer and choreographer, but stays mostly in the other disciplines.

I'd completely agree with this.

As far as the OP? Yeah, they are not going to be comfortable at first. But, then again, neither are Jazz split soles until you break them in...

It's been mentioned, but there is a TON of maintenance involved with pointe shoes.

I am not an expert, by any means (I'm a guy, but I danced and did musical theatre)...I just think, I wouldn't allow her to be pushed into point until her legs (specifically ankles) can handle it. 12 is good, but 13 or 14 is better with more training.

Unless you are trying to create a Russian prodigy whose body craps out by age 30...this may be too early.

But, I don't know the details of your situation, so take that as commentary and well meaning advice, nothing more.

From what our original dance teacher stated (American Ballet as a dancer and now a professor at Williams College in Williamstown Ma).... there is not so much a magical age to start like 12... but that the foot/ankle strength must be sufficiently developed first from pre-pointe training. My daughter went on pointe around age 9... she had been doing ballet since age 4.. and gymnastics since she could walk (she went to a daycare at the local YMCA and it was included along with swim lessons... I am not a crazy dance mom lol). Prior to actually going on pointe they spent the better part of the year doing strengthening exercises ... then when they started, the amount of time on pointe was kept very controlled and limited... the goal being to safely increase strength and time on pointe gradually.

Dancers are athletes and sadly being an athlete in most sports is a youngster's game... think about it... we talk about soccer players... basketball players etc. being old or washed at 36. Starting pointe at 14 would be very late training... maybe too late. Dancing is a yourg person's sport... not necessarily 'right'... but the nature of the beast.

It is important that NO MATTER what age your child is... that you have a dance teacher that is respectful and knowledgeable about young growing bodies and not just dance technique... because a child of 12 can be just as easily hurt as a 8 year old... both are still actively growing bone and muscle... and both have bone that can be deformed with improper instruction... and don't even get me started on possible body image issues that can also plague dancers...

Take home lesson... make sure you are comfortable with your dance teacher's background as well as their "philosophy"... becuase sometimes the worst damage is done to the psyche rather than the physical body....
 
My dds are Irish dancers, and they can go "up on toes" in their hard shoes in U13. From what I have read, going on pointe in hard shoes makes pointe shoes look like comfy slippers. I don't know how much pointe shoes cost, but hard shoes cost about $145, and are a nightmare to break in (my girls wear them in the bathtub).

https://www.google.com/search?q=iri...eBrLOsATOjICAAw&ved=0CCgQsAQ&biw=1310&bih=727

Anyway, it always means a ton of blisters, and soaking in epson salts seems to help. Dd13's feet (small - 3 1/2) look like we have been practicing the ancient art of foot binding at this point (she's been dancing since 6). Unfortunately, she is great on toes, so her teacher has her do it. Lots of U13 dancers wait, because it's difficult. And unnatural, like in ballet.
 
So much great information, I appreciate all of it :thumbsup2. My daughter is just starting out, her teacher is not one that is going to have them on their toes for more than a few minutes a week. I am not worried that this is going to be an instant pressure on her and her growing body. The students had to show the instructor how good their ankle strength appeared to be before she would approve them for moving to pointe. We will see how this goes :).
 
It's worth the effort finding a good pointe shoe fitter. I'm lucky to have one close by, and there are always girls from 2-3 hours away in there too. Both my girls are on pointe, one was ready at 10, the other not until 12. They only have pointe class 1.5 hrs a week so don't blow thru the shoes too fast. Neither girl has gotten the exact same shoe from one fitting to the next. As they develop they get different support structure, different shank strength, longer vamp, etc. neither is at the place where they go thru a pair of shoes in a week or 2 and can get multiples of the same shoe online.

As much as I don't like paying full retail, it's worth having them fitted properly.
 












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