Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[jenjersnap]

Then they may be doing a first come first served spaced out thing for shows or no shows all together

EDIT Realize now that would not explain being able to choose before hand dates

Exactly! I was surprised the shows were offering any FPs in July because I expected steep capacity restrictions or no showings. The sudden stop seems like a clue. Of what, no idea! It coincides exactly with our trip so I am a little apprehensive (aren’t we all?)

 

[Tandy]

Didn't we read NBA earns 500 million on TV revenue...the parks are losing 30 million a day...Unless there is SIGNIFICANT income we're missing (we're not) the NBA at WDW would not be a logical replacement for loss of income by opening the resort to the general public

Edit: The addition of the NBA would be a significant plus to recoup losses in conjunction with parks opening. Separate as a substitute doesn't seem like a viable alternative to opening.

I agree. I have no clue why NBA keeps getting brought up here. It is a way of additional revenue / completing that contract, not the alternative to it.

 

[xuxa777]

Didn't we read NBA earns 500 million on TV revenue...the parks are losing 30 million a day...Unless there is SIGNIFICANT income we're missing (we're not) the NBA at WDW would not be a logical replacement for loss of income by opening the resort to the general public

Exactly, no reason they can't open the parks and have the NBA games at Disney, plus it is looking like only the east coast teams would be at WDW and west coast in Vegas, rumored start will be July 15th

 

[atricks]

Also Universal's reopening presentation to the county will be broadcasted here Around 2pm EDT:

The meeting agenda is listed here https://m.box.com/shared_item/https://ocfl.box.com/s/jcwvdt5dxyekx2a8nx5ym0khgm65e6hh/view/667936457578

Disney will have to do one of these at some point, also.

 

[Tandy]

But you're assuming they'll actually get enough reservations to pay what the NBA/MLS will. General public (aka not Disboard fanatics ) surveys have strongly indictated that many/most will not be traveling right away, or until there's a vaccine.

They have no reason to keep EVERYTHING closed still to fulfill space needed for one complex and at most 2 hotels

 

[MassJester]

But I don't like Universal . I'm really glad other people do, my grandson is so excited to get to go now that he can actually ride something, but it's not my kind of park. I'm not interested in spending money to go to Dollywood or a theme park where the focus is on extreme thrill rides. My money is already where my mouth is- WDW. That doesn't mean I'm wearing rose colored glasses, it means I like what they sell. Why don't we just let everyone make their own choices about where they want to spend their money and not insult them for their choices.

That was very well said. Perhaps there could be less tolerance for thinly veiled disparaging remarks.

 

[yulilin3]

I don't see Disney not reopening for months. There's too much pressure coming from all around for them to reopen and almost all of their furloughed cm are still waiting, a month later, for their first unemployment check. Meaning they're not paying their bills meaning more pressure for Disney to reopen

 

[wareagle57]

Honestly...? I see the parks not opening until after the NBA is done. So... perhaps August, September. I mean, we've already got half of June cancelled. They've also already said/indicated several times it will be a staged re-opening...

I just can not imagine Disney delaying opening the parks even if the NBA asked for and paid for that when Universal is likely opening in June. I’d they cancel hundreds of thousands vacations from happening just to accommodate the NBA it will create a lot of negative feelings from their loyal guests. If they out of safety don’t want to open until August anyway, fine. But if it’s just for the NBA there is no reason not to open the parks.

 

[mshanson3121]

They have no reason to keep EVERYTHING closed still to fulfill space needed for one complex and at most 2 hotels

The parks are EXTREMELY expensive to run, and Iger, Chapek, whoever, said they will not re-open them until they can make a positive contribution. So, they're not going to open the parks until they think they can make enough money off them to make it worthwhile. I know we here have all assumed that they would feel that opening and still losing $10M a day is better than staying closed and losing $30M a day, but it's possible Disney doesn't see it that way. Or, that they have a wee bit more knowledge of their finances than we do It's also possible they don't want to have to shut everything down again for a second wave - maybe they want to use the NBA to tie them over and see how it goes with the other parks re-opening etc.... Disney was always the industry leader. Now they are intentionally allowing Universal to take the lead, and are being purposely quiet. There's a reason.... but what?

 

[Sarahslay]

And if this is the case, we will be done for good. I have no interest in continuing to support a company who ditches its loyal customers for a one time pay day all the while stringing those customers along in hopes of a bigger pay day.

ETA: The best part is some ppl thought their hesitation to open too early was the bad PR it would bring. But I have to think a move like this would bring equal or worse PR.

I said this yesterday, staying closed to allow for the NBA to have their precious bubble would be a horrible PR move. They are angering more and more of their loyal guests by the minute, and if they don't realize it then they're are in for a ruid awakening when they do open.

 

[Pickle Rick]

I said this yesterday, staying closed to allow for the NBA to have their precious bubble would be a horrible PR move. They are angering more and more of their loyal guests by the minute, and if they don't realize it then they're are in for a ruid awakening when they do open.

Doubt it. Guests will come no matter what.

 

[Tandy]

But that would be irrelevant to the NBA. Keeping things closed due to not being able to break even with capacity limitations is different then keeping them closed so they can play games off at the ESPN complex.

 

[FlagrantFleur]

But I don't like Universal . I'm really glad other people do, my grandson is so excited to get to go now that he can actually ride something, but it's not my kind of park. I'm not interested in spending money to go to Dollywood or a theme park where the focus is on extreme thrill rides. My money is already where my mouth is- WDW. That doesn't mean I'm wearing rose colored glasses, it means I like what they sell. Why don't we just let everyone make their own choices about where they want to spend their money and not insult them for their choices.

I definitely agree with you, we should not be shaming others for their choices. Like what you like, and live your life. However, I think some frustration is valid. You are not responding like this, but others on this board are giving us frustrated fans the "well, you should've known better than to book, so quit complaining". It's frustrating to come to the boards where you think everyone can vent together, but the 2 camps come out instead: 1 camp loves everything that Disney does and they can do no wrong, while the other camp hates everything that Disney does.

 

[AmberMV]

Start the speculation. Why, starting June 7, are the hours showing for only: Disney Springs, DHS, Epcot and Typhoon Lagoon? First week of June only Springs has hours. 3rd week of June all 4 parks have hours.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

I said it yesterday, but I think the only reason NBA deal would cause a longer closure than otherwise would be if money is enough to allow them to push the opening date out closer to where they would want it to be if not for financial concerns.

I don’t think it’s likely NBA causes WDW to remain closed longer. I do think there’s a good chance they’re waiting on it to be finalized before they announce opening dates because they know they’re going to need to move around peoples reservations.

 

[yulilin3]

I definitely agree with you, we should not be shaming others for their choices. Like what you like, and live your life. However, I think some frustration is valid. You are not responding like this, but others on this board are giving us frustrated fans the "well, you should've known better than to book, so quit complaining". It's frustrating to come to the boards where you think everyone can vent together, but the 2 camps come out instead: 1 camp loves everything that Disney does and they can do no wrong, while the other camp hates everything that Disney does.

Maybe not a camp, but i open my small tent to anyone that's stuck in ther middle, loving both parks but acknowledging when any of the two parks do wong to their guest

 

[Pickle Rick]

Start the speculation. Why, starting June 7, are the hours showing for only: Disney Springs, DHS, Epcot and Typhoon Lagoon? First week of June only Springs has hours. 3rd week of June all 4 parks have hours.
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While I don't think this means anything, it would be VERY interesting if Epcot opened up first. I've always said Epcot, even in it's current form, would be the best park for social distancing, with DHS being the worst.

That said, if they do open up the parks in phases, or one by one, I have no doubt MK would be first. It's by far their biggest money maker.

 

[JacknSally]

I know we here have all assumed that they would feel that opening and still losing $10M a day is better than staying closed and losing $30M a day, but it's possible Disney doesn't see it that way.

Keep in mind, though, that Chapek said in that call that they're looking for a positive contribution, not necessarily a profit. Positive contribution basically just means not losing as much money.



If they're losing $30 million right now but can make up $10 million by opening, they'll have a positive contribution even if they're still losing money. It's not practical for long-term operations, no, but it might be enough to get them open again. Just depends on how all the numbers play out.

 

[mshanson3121]

Keep in mind, though, that Chapek said in that call that they're looking for a positive contribution, not necessarily a profit. Positive contribution basically just means not losing as much money.

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If they're losing $30 million right now but can make up $10 million by opening, they'll have a positive contribution even if they're still losing money. It's not practical for long-term operations, no, but it might be enough to get them open again. Just depends on how all the numbers play out.

So... basically... exactly what I already said

 

[AmberMV]

While I don't think this means anything, it would be VERY interesting if Epcot opened up first. I've always said Epcot, even in it's current phase, would be the best park for social distancing, with DHS being the worst.

That said, if they do open up the parks in phases, or one by one, I have no doubt MK would be first. It's by far their biggest money maker.

Alcohol by far is the best profit margin at any alcohol-serving establishment. Everyone knows Epcot for the adult beverage options. It would maybe be the best money maker