Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[UOAP]

One has to be realistic and practical. The security CMs are searching bags, not preparing for a surgical operation. Similarly rides, auditoriums, loos etc., are not operating theatres.

They should be using sanitizer in between each search at the very least. You can put hand sanitizer on gloves. We do it all the time at the hospital when double gloving.

 

[UOAP]

Two things, one more known than the other.

1. You can't get Covid just by touching something contaminated. It has to enter your body through an opening. So, if you have a bag and need to get something out of it, keep sanitizer handy, and sanitize your hands after going into the bag and befure using what you grabbed.

2. Less unknown is how much the virus can be transferred through physical contact. First, you would have needed someone to cough/sneeze directly onto their belongings. If security were to touch this, say even 30 minutes later, how much of that viral load is being transferred? It is not going to be 100%. Then if they touch something else, it would be less 100% of that last amount that transferred. How much of that is required to actually get you sick?

Think of the same concept as going grocery shopping, and touching stuff that others have touched. If it were such a big issue, there would be large outbreaks with grocery stores being the epicenter. We aren't seeing that. I'd be more concerned with needing to be face to face with security while they check.

We are seeing outbreaks among the staff though. Harder to trace outbreaks to the store guests because stores aren't collecting that information right now. Before I left my last shift, we had a new patient who had gone out only to the grocery store in the previous month. No family living with her. No one was asking her about which store, etc, because she was unconscious and all we had was the ED report. Disney can easily reduce fomite spread by requiring some hand sanitizer rather than roll the dice on this one. Yeah, we don't KNOW, but we should reduce the odds, especially when it is cheap and easy to do so.

 

[Fitzwoman27]

I wonder if we are going to be able to bring a 6-8 oz sanitizer bottle in or limited to 3oz like planes, since it’s so hard to get them.

 

[Joe in VA]

A friend was hired by UO for in park retail management prior to Covid, he is moving from the northeast. He has finally been called in for the job, but will have to quarantine for 14 days due to the restrictions for certain states, and then begin training after that.

Not sure what this means as far as dates, but I'd imagine he'd be working in the parks a month from now based upon being called down now.

 

[Janet McDonald]

There is way to much finger wagging and criticism toward others that are in positions that we have no clue what it’s like. Dissecting videos of cast members in Shanghai etc. it must be very difficult to change all behaviors you have ever known and try to cope in this situation. Let people put cameras on all of us and talk about us every time we touch our nose out of habit. Sheesh.
*Also idk why this typed out in italics I’m sorta technology stupid so there’s that.

 

[Eric Smith]

I wonder if we are going to be able to bring a 6-8 oz sanitizer bottle in or limited to 3oz like planes, since it’s so hard to get them.

Worst case, you can buy 3 oz empty bottles at Target and then transfer things in to them. It's not an ideal situation but might be a decent workaround.

 

[ENJDisneyFan]

I wonder if we are going to be able to bring a 6-8 oz sanitizer bottle in or limited to 3oz like planes, since it’s so hard to get them.

Into Disney? I don't believe they have any restrictions on it. I believe TSA is also allowing sanitizer in larger quantities for the time being.

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/hand-sanitizers

 

[Craig Larson]

We are seeing outbreaks among the staff though. Harder to trace outbreaks to the store guests because stores aren't collecting that information right now. Before I left my last shift, we had a new patient who had gone out only to the grocery store in the previous month. No family living with her. No one was asking her about which store, etc, because she was unconscious and all we had was the ED report. Disney can easily reduce fomite spread by requiring some hand sanitizer rather than roll the dice on this one. Yeah, we don't KNOW, but we should reduce the odds, especially when it is cheap and easy to do so.

But is it from touching things? Or being in close contact with the other workers for extended periods of time that staff are getting it? In my grocery store, they have cashiers and then someone usually helping bag. The baggers will work a few different lanes as necessary, but will be within 6 feet of the other worker for longer durations.

Are cashiers, who are touching all of your products and the 100 other people they scanned that day applying sanitizer/changing gloves after every shopper? If not, that is 0 difference than bag checks. I have yet to see evidence that people are getting the virus en masse due to physically touching the same products as others.

I do agree with potentially using sanitizer between checks to reduce risk further, but I just don't believe the risk factor is high enough to be grossed out over the fact that it's not being done.

 

[markiemark]

I wonder if we are going to be able to bring a 6-8 oz sanitizer bottle in or limited to 3oz like planes, since it’s so hard to get them.

If that were the case, you wouldn't be able to bring water bottles now.

 

[Tjddis]

I watched the new video about how social distancing measures are being implemented in Shanghai. In the video, they show how all of these pieces of tape and stickers will show guests where to stand and where not to stand. That’s all fine and dandy for adults. But, I don’t see how guests with children or larger groups will manage within these guidelines. I have 3 children of school age. When we have gone before, keeping kids within a contained area and not touching handrails is nearly impossible. Also, most rides exit through the gift shop. How do they expect children to not touch things when they want to grab and show Mom/Dad the prize they want. I just don’t see it working. I also don’t want a Disney World without children in it. Thoughts?

Yep. It will be rather impossible to deal with exuberant children at WDW. And I know somebody will say “control your children”. Much easier said than done, even for the most involved of patents

 

[crazy4wdw]

From WDWMagic:

Walt Disney World Senior VP Thomas Mazloum told the Orange County Economic Recovery Task Force this morning that Disney does not have an opening date or anything further to report at this time.

Mazloum specifically stated that by taking bookings for July 1, it does not mean that Walt Disney World will be open at that time. He made similar comments a few weeks regarding the June 1 booking window that Disney opened and has since closed.

Thomas Mazloum reports to Walt Disney World President Josh D'Amaro, specifically overseeing operations for Transportation, Resorts and Premium Experiences.

 

[cakebaker]

They should be using sanitizer in between each search at the very least. You can put hand sanitizer on gloves. We do it all the time at the hospital when double gloving.

That would take forever to get guests through security. If you apply sanitizer correctly, it has to be rubbed in until dry, it’s not instantaneous. It would be much easier for guests to carry sanitizing wipes and stop and go through their bags wiping their own items down if it concerns them.

 

[courtney1188]

From WDWMagic:

Walt Disney World Senior VP Thomas Mazloum told the Orange County Economic Recovery Task Force this morning that Disney does not have an opening date or anything further to report at this time.

Mazloum specifically stated that by taking bookings for July 1, it does not mean that Walt Disney World will be open at that time. He made similar comments a few weeks regarding the June 1 booking window that Disney opened and has since closed.

Thomas Mazloum reports to Walt Disney World President Josh D'Amaro, specifically overseeing operations for Transportation, Resorts and Premium Experiences.

Not looking good for summer trips. At this point, I'm going away from hoping they're open for my mid-July trip to hoping they don't open so I can get a bigger partial refund on my AP, since it's definitely looking like we won't be able to use them again.

 

[gottalovepluto]

Since I’ve always been somewhat of a germaphobe, contents of my bag are separated into big ziplocks. It’s very efficient for security to grab the 2 or 3 ziplock bags and they can see all the contents without digging around in the dark bag. I started this on my daughter’s first visit so they weren’t digging around and touching things like burp cloths, bottles/cups, pacifiers, sunglasses, etc. I still do this even though my kids aren’t babies anymore.

This is a good option if you’re concerned about germs at security, especially since you can always wipe down the outside of the ziploc bags after security if you want.

I LOVE this idea. THANK YOU! I am constantly in and out of my bag all day and I don't even have a kid lol.

I'm thinking ziploc bags are going to become my new best friend. I really have no other idea how one would handle taking off a mask to eat stuff and putting the same mask back on safely otherwise. Anything it touches is contaminated. New ziploc bag each time I take it off sounds like the safest method to prevent contaminating myself...

 

[gottalovepluto]

Not looking good for summer trips. At this point, I'm going away from hoping they're open for my mid-July trip to hoping they don't open so I can get a bigger partial refund on my AP, since it's definitely looking like we won't be able to use them again.

Obligatory: means nothing for summer trips.

WDW isn't dumb enough to let the commission break their big news when it comes.

 

[Eric Smith]

Not looking good for summer trips. At this point, I'm going away from hoping they're open for my mid-July trip to hoping they don't open so I can get a bigger partial refund on my AP, since it's definitely looking like we won't be able to use them again.

Pete said last Friday that he had six different sources saying the date is June 1. I expect they'll open sometime in June. They likely don't want to commit to anything in case there's a sudden breakout and they have to back off.

 

[MusicalAstronaut]

Pete said last Friday that he had six different sources saying the date is June 1. I expect they'll open sometime in June. They likely don't want to commit to anything in case there's a sudden breakout and they have to back off.

Pete?

 

[cakebaker]

Pete said last Friday that he had six different sources saying the date is June 1.

This is the best evidence that “ sources” are unreliable at best. Someone just posted on the cancellation thread she just got the email from WDW for her early June trip. So much for June 1 and so much for the idea that they stopped bookings due to capacity. Unless it comes directly from Disney, I believe nothing.

 

[cakebaker]

Pete?
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Owner of the Disboards and Dreams Unlimited TA.

 

[armerida]

Pete said last Friday that he had six different sources saying the date is June 1. I expect they'll open sometime in June. They likely don't want to commit to anything in case there's a sudden breakout and they have to back off.

Was that in the Disney Springs episode? I didn’t listen to the whole thing...