Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[gottalovepluto]

https://columbuszoo.org/home/about/...tatement-amid-coronavirus-(covid-19)-concerns
That's not a good sign for other amusement parks.

Zoos all around the world are laying people off and desperately trying to figure out to survive

ETA: I shrugged because I see no relation to this phenomenon and WDW re-opening

 

[Krandor]

I think this could make a 6/1 opening possible, if not probable. If it’s up to wdw & they know it now, then I think they can work to make a 6/1 opening happen since that’s when they have allowed ppl to start booking again. Now I want to know what the modifications will be & when they’ll go from 50% to 75% b/c I’d like to get in at the 50% part.

6/1 still seems too soon. Mass gatherings are still not till phase 3 so things would have to almost go perfect to hit phase 3 by then.

Sounds though like we'll find out soon.

 

[Lewisc]

Yeah, this could have a big impact on all the guidelines in a couple months if it proves to be as effective as it appears it could be, especially for Disneyland. This would fill the therapeutic step Newsome is demanding for stage 4.

FDA to approve Remdesivir as an emergency treatment for COVID-19.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...-coronavirus-drug/ar-BB13nS85?ocid=spartanntp

This is definitely an encouraging development. From what I read it reduced the recovery time from 15 days to 11 days. I'm not sure that's enough of an improvement to justify, by itself, a policy change.

 

[rteetz]

I just want to caution the discussions on possible COVID treatments. Let's try to stick to the topics as best as possible.

 

[Krandor]

Rumor I keep hearing from different people is "it is actually Desantis who is trying to nudge Disney to open up sooner rather than later, knowing that the optics of Disney reopening shows it is safe out there and helps make things seem normal again." He is thinking people will say if Disney can operate safely, going to a local retail store, restaurant, etc.. can not be as risky as once thought a couple weeks ago.

Now I have not heard that Disney is super receptive to just opening for the sake of opening, so I will assume they will make it on their own terms, as most of us own here think. I do feel for Disney though, a lot is on their shoulders with this reopening and perception is everything nowadays.

Those are optics that could help desantis but hurt disney. They already took some heat for staying open as long as they did and that goodbye party thing they did one lasst day. If they open while other places are still mostly closed down I'm not sure that is an optic that is good for disney long term. I know things need to open as quickly as it is safe but I'd hate to see disney become the poster child for opening too early not because people trace cases back to disney but once something like disney can open is there a rationale to keep baseball, concets, etc. closed? If everything else then opens following disney's lead and cases spike they could get the blame. On the flip side if disney opens and other big events stay closed, they could get looked at at putting money over safety.

it is a tough toough decision. Glad I'm not the one having to make it.

 

[aibo]

5 ways Florida’s theme parks will be different when they open again Experts forecast what Disney, Universal, Busch Gardens and others will do once they are allowed to reopen to visitors.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

Rumor I keep hearing from different people is "it is actually Desantis who is trying to nudge Disney to open up sooner rather than later, knowing that the optics of Disney reopening shows it is safe out there and helps make things seem normal again." He is thinking people will say if Disney can operate safely, going to a local retail store, restaurant, etc.. can not be as risky as once thought a couple weeks ago.

Now I have not heard that Disney is super receptive to just opening for the sake of opening, so I will assume they will make it on their own terms, as most of us own here think. I do feel for Disney though, a lot is on their shoulders with this reopening and perception is everything nowadays.

I am not in a place where I would hear these same rumours, but the impression I've gotten throughout is Disney is in general behaving more cautiously than the state. Your rumour makes a lot of sense to me.

This is why I am assuming the guidelines released, although created in part by Disney, are baseline and bare minimum and more (stricter) details are coming. It's also why I'm relieved hearing they're leaving it up to Disney to decide when to open. I trust them more to do this right. Just my opinion though.

 

[Vern60]

I thought I've already read a lot of discussion on who's call it is, or will be to open. Sure, the government could pressure a company to open, or even force it under something like the war powers act, but other than that, it's totally up to the company.
So yes, the Governor can allow the companies to open but it's always been each's own decision. That goes for a barber shop to Disney, right?

 

[WhitneyMB]

I think existing reservations is going to be a very tricky area for Disney to deal with if they have to greatly limit capacity, and it's one of the few areas where it kind of feels like it would be "their fault" that they didn't proactively try to address it sooner. I think people are forgiving of cancellations when everything is closed. People might be less forgiving if their reservation is cancelled and other people's are not for the same time. It's the reason I'm doubtful of plans to only open a few hotels, unless they can reasonably accommodate (by moving or upgrading) all resort reservations for that time period. Unless they have sufficient plans to make the excluded whole, that is dangerous from a P.R. standpoint. Likewise, I'm sure since they were made mostly 180 days before, most of the popular restaurants are already booked for well over 50% capacity during the summer. Do they just cancel them at random? Do they cancel them all and then open up a new set of reservations?

I think this is a real issue for Disney. We have an October trip booked and when I made my reservations first thing at 180 days out, there seemed to be WAY less availability than I have ever seen before. I think they realized they would have to social distance in restaurants and reduced capacity for September & October ADRs, but what can they do for all the June-August ones, except for hope enough people cancel? If I still showed up for my trip because Disney was open and they cancelled my reservations but not other people's, I'd be really angry. It's hard to make it work for everyone.

 

[LSUmiss]

6/1 still seems too soon. Mass gatherings are still not till phase 3 so things would have to almost go perfect to hit phase 3 by then.

Sounds though like we'll find out soon.

I don’t think they’ll count that as a mass gathering with the proposed “modifications”. And with today’s news, it seems wdw can decide to open whenever they feel like they can.

 

[MickeyWaffles]

I think this is a real issue for Disney. We have an October trip booked and when I made my reservations first thing at 180 days out, there seemed to be WAY less availability than I have ever seen before. I think they realized they would have to social distance in restaurants and reduced capacity for September & October ADRs, but what can they do for all the June-August ones, except for hope enough people cancel? If I still showed up for my trip because Disney was open and they cancelled my reservations but not other people's, I'd be really angry. It's hard to make it work for everyone.

If the only people allowed in the parks are Disney resort guests (as rumored), then no off site guests would be able to dine in the parks. All reservations made by off site guests in the parks would then be freed up.

ETA: I’m not saying this is what is happening, just offering a potential theory.

 

[Krandor]

I thought I've already read a lot of discussion on who's call it is, or will be to open. Sure, the government could pressure a company to open, or even force it under something like the war powers act, but other than that, it's totally up to the company.
So yes, the Governor can allow the companies to open but it's always been each's own decision. That goes for a barber shop to Disney, right?

Right. Where I am almost no retaurants are open even though they can. In the end, it will be up to Disney to decide when they want to open. The governer can force them to close or operate under certain regulations but can't force them to open.

 

[Krandor]

I don’t think they’ll count that as a mass gathering with the proposed “modifications”. And with today’s news, it seems wdw can decide to open whenever they feel like they can.

Who is "they"? The government or the public? Both are involved here. The public could very well decide it looks like a mass gathering and Disney take a PR hit for it. The optics of disney being open while smaller things are shutdown could be an issue.

Like I said, glad it's not my decision to make.

 

[SierraT]

Zoos all around the world are laying people off and desperately trying to figure out to survive

Awful, I always think about the animals at Animal Kingdom. I’m not big on zoos in general but the animals are very well cared for in most of them around the country. I do hope they aren’t being caged this entire time. The poor animals are probably having withdrawals from not seeing people, or maybe they are having a vacation. Ha!

 

[Krandor]

Awful, I always think about the animals at Animal Kingdom. I’m not big on zoos in general but the animals are very well cared for in most of them around the country. I do hope they aren’t being caged this entire time. The poor animals are probably having withdrawals from not seeing people, or maybe they are having a vacation. Ha!

They probably are happy not to have people around. I saw an article recently aboout Yosimite and it said the wildwife was venturing out a lot more then they normally do when people were there and it had kinda become their park again.

 

[LSUmiss]

Who is "they"? The government or the public? Both are involved here. The public could very well decide it looks like a mass gathering and Disney take a PR hit for it. The optics of disney being open while smaller things are shutdown could be an issue.

Like I said, glad it's not my decision to make.

I meant the government. Some in the public are going to say what they’re going to say. I think there are 2 camps now. Those who thinks it’s fine to open in June (or sooner) & those who think they should wait indefinitely til things are “better”. I think those in the 2nd camp won’t ever be satisfied. Disney & the other parks are working hard to implement modifications that should help to ensure social distancing. If they can successfully do that, then I think they’ll open especially since they have the ok from the government now.

 

[gottalovepluto]

Who is "they"? The government or the public? Both are involved here. The public could very well decide it looks like a mass gathering and Disney take a PR hit for it. The optics of disney being open while smaller things are shutdown could be an issue.

Like I said, glad it's not my decision to make.

PR doesn’t matter much right now. There’s too many people screaming on both sides to pick one to cater to. What will matter to Disney is if people show up willing to spend money or not.

 

[juice0358]

I thought I've already read a lot of discussion on who's call it is, or will be to open. Sure, the government could pressure a company to open, or even force it under something like the war powers act, but other than that, it's totally up to the company.
So yes, the Governor can allow the companies to open but it's always been each's own decision. That goes for a barber shop to Disney, right?

Of course, that's why I said I heard they are nudging them to open soon, (not forcing them lol). What I hadn't heard or thought of before hearing this today, was the optics of Disney opening may make other things seem safe to consumers as well. It makes sense (from the governments perspective),not to mention if people start traveling to Disney it will stimulate the entire travel industry in Florida which is a HUGE part of Florida's economy obviously.

 

[whodatdare]

I meant the government. Some in the public are going to say what they’re going to say. I think there are 2 camps now. Those who thinks it’s fine to open in June (or sooner) & those who think they should wait indefinitely til things are “better”. I think those in the 2nd camp won’t ever be satisfied. Disney & the other parks are working hard to implement modifications that should help to ensure social distancing. If they can successfully do that, then I think they’ll open especially since they have the ok from the government now.

And those of us who are neutral and just waiting to see if they open so we can see the "new norm" and the effectiveness of the new rules. I'd love to go at the end of July like my current plans are... but, it would be nice to see what things actually look like if they open even mid June and give us later folks a chance to peak it : )

 

[Mit88]

Zoos all around the world are laying people off and desperately trying to figure out to survive

ETA: I shrugged because I see no relation to this phenomenon and WDW re-opening

This is the issue with prolonged closures. Many businesses cant sustain long term closures. Businesses dont just “pause” when the shutdown occurred and the day everything opens back up theyre in the same position the day they reopen whether its 2 months or 2 years, it gets worse for them with every day theyre closes. For instance, Disney would have to be closed for a long time in order for permanent ramifications to occur, but the amount they’re losing from not being open is not chump change, even for them. You’re already seeing smaller businesses coming out and announcing permanent closure. For the health and safety of people, long term lockdowns are smart. But for the future of this country, if these closures continue, its going to cause havoc on businesses moving forward. 2 of my favorite local restaurants and my gym have announced they wont be able to reopen when things get better.