Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[yulilin3]

Good points and brings up the issue of what happens when CMs in the Parks, Chefs or Waitstaff start testing positive? Where I live if a staff member of a restaurant providing take out tests positive the restaurant is usually voluntarily shut right down. Would/should Disney have to do the same?

This is an awful situation and must be keeping many a Disney Exec up at night.

Reopening phases has a specific number of expected positive cases, i mean it makes sense, people start going out and gathering again the cases will go up.
The uniqueness of Disney is that it's not a required destination, you don't have to come to Disney, you come at your own risk, same way you might be infected at a supermarket. The PR repercussions will come, no matter when Disney opens it'll be too soon for some. For those that do come, if you get infected, it was your own choice, sorry you take the risk by coming. You don't want the risk, don't come. Disney will have contingencies to deal with whatever lawsuits are to come

 

[MichelinMan]

Yep ive seen articles about air conditioning being a spreader - nightmare scenario for FL.

Not true. The design of most air conditioning systems means that the virus wouldn't spread. The air in AC systems goes through filters and cooling coils which helps to filter out the virus. So AC in restaurants and attractions is a bit of red herring - it is purely the proximity of customers in those spaces.

 

[rpb718]

Reopening phases has a specific number of expected positive cases, i mean it makes sense, people start going out and gathering again the cases will go up.
The uniqueness of Disney is that it's not a required destination, you don't have to come to Disney, you come at your own risk, same way you might be infected at a supermarket. The PR repercussions will come, no matter when Disney opens it'll be too soon for some. For those that do come, if you get infected, it was your own choice, sorry you take the risk by coming. You don't want the risk, don't come. Disney will have contingencies to deal with whatever lawsuits are to come

New tagline for advertisements: "Come to family-friendly WDW, but leave the grandparents at home"

Can't wait for those WDW commercials like all those drug ads on TV - you know the ones that with the fast-talking part with all the side-effects "may cause extreme sickness or death".

 

[jknezek]

That is a major problem and a loophole the system needs to address.

If you don’t want to work that’s fine, but making more than you did before for doing nothing is completely reckless and will cause more issues than its fixing.

It's only until the middle of July. If you are going to give up a long term job for an extra amount of money in essentially one or two months, and then have to subsist on the much lower state unemployment benefits and pay for healthcare, well... you didn't think things through and will be much poorer in just a few months.

And if you are furloughed, like the Disney folks, as soon as you choose NOT to go back when called, you have then chosen to quit your job and are no longer eligible for unemployment.

People simply don't understand how this works. You don't get unemployment when you quit a job, only if you are fired or, as in today's case, are furloughed. They CAN'T choose to stay home and continue to get the benefit if their job is calling for them.

I know it really annoys people that for a very short period some people in a crisis situation are making more at home by not working, but it won't last by the legislation and you can't actually CHOOSE to be in that situation. You were forced into it, and you will be forced out or will time out in a pretty short period of time.

 

[MickeyWaffles]

The uniqueness of Disney is that it's not a required destination, you don't have to come to Disney, you come at your own risk, same way you might be infected at a supermarket. The PR repercussions will come, no matter when Disney opens it'll be too soon for some. For those that do come, if you get infected, it was your own choice, sorry you take the risk by coming. You don't want the risk, don't come. Disney will have contingencies to deal with whatever lawsuits are to come

That’s all fine, but the scary part is that people from areas with very few cases may go to WDW, pick it up and bring it home, starting outbreaks in communities that had done very well. Sadly, it’s not only the person who goes to WDW that is affected if they pick it up. These people aren’t going to go home & quarantine for 14 days.

 

[yulilin3]

That’s all fine, but the scary part is that people from areas with very few cases may go to WDW, pick it up and bring it home, starting outbreaks in communities that had done very well. Sadly, it’s not only the person who goes to WDW that is affected if they pick it up. These people aren’t going to go home & quarantine for 14 days.

And that can happen anywhere

 

[Warm Hugs]

That’s all fine, but the scary part is that people from areas with very few cases may go to WDW, pick it up and bring it home, starting outbreaks in communities that had done very well. Sadly, it’s not only the person who goes to WDW that is affected if they pick it up. These people aren’t going to go home & quarantine for 14 days.

Agree with MickeyWaffles. It’s not just your risk.. if it was just YOUR risk, then I would be go for it. But it’s not just your risk as MickeyWaffle says. You risk giving it to others by your actions and therefore not just your risk... by people thinking it’s their risk only selfishly, they endanger others who aren’t willing to take that risk. The key is to limit this risk. Grocery stores are sometimes needed.. but Disney is not. You take an unnecessary risk going to Disney and that is what is trying to be limited.. the unnecessary risk to others from other people’s actions.

 

[Sarahslay]

That’s all fine, but the scary part is that people from areas with very few cases may go to WDW, pick it up and bring it home, starting outbreaks in communities that had done very well. Sadly, it’s not only the person who goes to WDW that is affected if they pick it up. These people aren’t going to go home & quarantine for 14 days.

Someone could go visit a family member in the next town and bring it home, that why my town is currently seeing a rise in cases, people just had to go and visit family for Easter.

 

[Pickle Rick]

And that can happen anywhere

So, what if one park greeter tests positive, does everyone he or she came into contact with including managers, co workers, etc, have to go into self quarantine for 14 days?

 

[yulilin3]

Agree with MickeyWaffles. It’s not just your risk.. if it was just YOUR risk, then I would be go for it. But it’s not just your risk as MickeyWaffle says. You risk giving it to others by your actions and therefore not just your risk... by people thinking it’s their risk only selfishly, they endanger others who aren’t willing to take that risk. The key is to limit this risk. Grocery stores are sometimes needed.. but Disney is not. You take an unnecessary risk going to Disney and that is what is trying to be limited.. the unnecessary risk to others from other people’s actions.

Do you take precautions when going to the grocery store? Wear mask? Sanitize your cart? Sanitizer everything you touch? Sanitize your steering wheel? Get back home and take your clothes off and take a shower right away?
You can take the same precautions when visiting anywhere.

 

[tlmadden73]

Do you take precautions when going to the grocery store? Wear mask? Sanitize your cart? Sanitizer everything you touch? Sanitize your steering wheel? Get back home and take your clothes off and take a shower right away?
You can take the same precautions when visiting anywhere.

You beat me to a reply. We are ALL currently taking risks going out today. Going out to work, grocery store, visiting family, getting take-out, going to the drug store, etc.

It is simply unsustainable to stay "locked up" until this all goes away. Does it mean Disney should open tomorrow with no restrictions? No, but it means they should look at re-opening and let their guests take the risk of coming or not.

 

[Cramden]

Do you take precautions when going to the grocery store? Wear mask? Sanitize your cart? Sanitizer everything you touch? Sanitize your steering wheel? Get back home and take your clothes off and take a shower right away?
You can take the same precautions when visiting anywhere.

I do all that but it will be tougher for guests at Disney to change out of their cloths each time after heading out in public. Families will be traveling with 10 pieces of luggage.

 

[MickeyWaffles]

Do you take precautions when going to the grocery store? Wear mask? Sanitize your cart? Sanitizer everything you touch? Sanitize your steering wheel? Get back home and take your clothes off and take a shower right away?
You can take the same precautions when visiting anywhere.

I mean ... I don’t go to the grocery store. So I order my grocery items online and someone puts them in my trunk, lined with a garbage bag. I disinfect the groceries in my garage. I haven’t walked into a building that was not my home since 3/13, when our state announced schools were closing. Grocery stores are clearly necessary but way less people are actually going inside them, at least where I live. I don’t want to get it and I especially don’t want to spread it to others. People are taking this very seriously here.

 

[yulilin3]

I do all that but it will be tougher for guests at Disney to change out of their cloths each time after heading out in public. Families will be traveling with 10 pieces of luggage.

Then that family should not come, it's that easy, the rumored plan is for Disney to reopen to locals at the beginning, encouraging staycations and then wait and see when they can open to everyone else

 

[yankeesfan123]

If they don't manage to open June 1st like they said, then that has lots of issues like all the rebooking and refunding they'll need to take care of, but what about if they only partially open with lots of restrictions and attractions not running. Will they offer people the option of a refund or rebooking next year. A appreciate that this is just speculation and they could open in June with everything open as normal, however unlikely that may be.

No one said they’d open June 1st.... but yes they invited rebooking and stayed open for booking. Wishful thinking. We will see what they do. We are all on the edge of our seats!

 

[Warm Hugs]

Do you take precautions when going to the grocery store? Wear mask? Sanitize your cart? Sanitizer everything you touch? Sanitize your steering wheel? Get back home and take your clothes off and take a shower right away?
You can take the same precautions when visiting anywhere.

You only look at the precautions instead of the actual event. Is going to the grocery store, eating, etc a necessity? Yes.. we need to eat last I checked. Is going to Disney a necessity? Some would say yes on this board but really... we do not need to go to Disney to survive.

You cannot completely eliminate the risk but you can limit it by not going or preventing unnecessary risks. By going to Disney and other non-essential activities, you increase the risk for yourself and others.

I can completely understand the frustration of having to stay at home and the impact on families financially. And that frustration may be clouding people’s logic on this. The main point is people cannot go on thinking it’s only their risk... it’s not just your risk... people have to understand that. That is all I would have to say on this.. so I’m off to other forums. Stay safe for yourself and others.

 

[MickeyWaffles]

But Covid is never going away. You will ALWAYS have a chance of getting it.

What's your solution? Not trying to be rude, trying to understand. No one is saying open while cases are still high. What number of positives are you comfortable with?

It only takes one.

My opinion is ... of course we cant all stay locked up forever. When the time is right, I believe in phased openings of businesses and making strides to a new normal.

I definitely see a difference in someone going to a grocery store if they need to vs. traveling to a theme park vacation destination. Because of the size, number of people, travelers etc. I think it has to be later than when many other businesses have the ok to open. There are people here who are still pushing a pretty aggressive opening timeline for WDW. Social distancing ideas sound fine, but are going to be very difficult to implement on that scale.

I don’t have the answers. This is just my opinion. Time will tell.

ETA: I’m ok being wrong. In fact, in this case, I very much hope I am wrong and things can get back to normal more quickly than I expect.

 

[yulilin3]

You only look at the precautions instead of the actual event. Is going to the grocery store, eating, etc a necessity? Yes.. we need to eat last I checked. Is going to Disney a necessity? Some would say yes on this board but really... we do not need to go to Disney to survive.

You cannot completely eliminate the risk but you can limit it by not going or preventing unnecessary risks. By going to Disney and other non-essential activities, you increase the risk for yourself and others.

I can completely understand the frustration of having to stay at home and the impact on families financially. And that frustration may be clouding people’s logic on this. The main point is people cannot go on thinking it’s only their risk... it’s not just your risk... people have to understand that. That is all I would have to say on this.. so I’m off to other forums. Stay safe for yourself and others.

If you didn't read i posted above that going to Disney is not a necessity, it's someones choice

 

[Jrb1979]

You beat me to a reply. We are ALL currently taking risks going out today. Going out to work, grocery store, visiting family, getting take-out, going to the drug store, etc.

It is simply unsustainable to stay "locked up" until this all goes away. Does it mean Disney should open tomorrow with no restrictions? No, but it means they should look at re-opening and let their guests take the risk of coming or not.

Agreed and it's why I think the measures they are putting in place in Shanghai will happen here. You have to imagine if one person is already asking these questions, there is probably thousands more.

 

[mshanson3121]

I don't even remember who said it, but the comment came up again that we don't "know" there will be 2nd waves. Except we do. Because every country that has reopened so far has had outbreaks.

https://trib.al/k7y3rhL

Now, take the source for what you will... The NY Post has published the story as well (same caveat)...

I'm definitely NOT saying to stay shut down until it's gone. But... I think this is also so far from over. It'll be interesting to see what Disney's plans are for dealing with secondary and third waves, as well. I wonder if it's something they'll address in their announcements (whenever they come).

It's definitely something they really need to be considering. You can't just hire ppl back and then furlough them again in a couple months when cases spike again and keep doing that over and over.