Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[cakebaker]

I think when the media is showing numbers of cases, it should be more precise and deconstructed.
How many testing were done.
Of those numbers. How many positives.
Of those positives. How many were sick at home. How many went to the hospital.
Of those going to the hospital. How many were treated. How many were hospitalized. How many were in the ICU.
Then the picture is clearer.

You don’t need to depend on the media. The Johns Hopkins covid website breaks the numbers down very clearly.

 

[TakesFaithTrust&PixieDust]

Maybe post a link to it.

It’s updated every day. Also, OC mayor gives exact stats most days on fatalities (age, race, etc) and hospitalizations. I’ve not seen any hint of hiding stats.
https://tallahasseereports.com/2020...ive-trends-for-florida-in-coronavirus-battle/

 

[cakebaker]

If they’re right and the issue (if at least a big part of it) really is crowded bars/nightclubs with no social distancing and no masks, the numbers may go down now that they’re closed. As for Disney, the only way I see them not opening is if contact tracing begins to point to cases coming from Universal and the other open parks. If that doesn’t happen, I think they’ll open on time.

As I understand it, the bar closings only apply to those whose revenue is more than 50% alcohol. It’s easy to blame the bars being open, but as far as I know, bars never opened in southern Florida.

 

[cakebaker]

I’ve not seen any hint of hiding stats.

What they are clearly trying to hide is ICU bed availability. The other stats are easily found.

 

[AmberMV]

What they are clearly trying to hide is ICU bed availability. The other stats are easily found.

https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABI...RedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y&:mobile=true

 

[Krandor]

As I understand it, the bar closings only apply to those whose revenue is more than 50% alcohol. It’s easy to blame the bars being open, but as far as I know, bars never opened in southern Florida.

Yeah the number of places affected is very small and unlikely to make a big difference. Most bars around where I am are restaurants with bars attached or at least serve enough food to be over that number. I know of zero places I go to drink that would be closed by this order. They would simply have fewer tables/bar stools. But your classic "sports bar" would not be affected by this - they are going to be more affected by no sports being on.

 

[Anna_Sh]

What they are clearly trying to hide is ICU bed availability. The other stats are easily found.

It’s not coronavirus-specific, but here’s the link for hospital and ICU beds.
https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABI...RedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y&:mobile=true

 

[SaintsManiac]

So this morning I tried booking Pop for the 50th and still can’t. Bummer. Guess that rumor isn’t true.

 

[Anna_Sh]

Yeah the number of places affected is very small and unlikely to make a big difference. Most bars around where I am are restaurants with bars attached or at least serve enough food to be over that number. I know of zero places I go to drink that would be closed by this order. They would simply have fewer tables/bar stools. But your classic "sports bar" would not be affected by this - they are going to be more affected by no sports being on.

I’m not completely clear on whether this is the case, but it may also have closed the physical bar area in the restaurants. Tables seem to be more easily socially distant than bar style seating.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

If they’re right and the issue (if at least a big part of it) really is crowded bars/nightclubs with no social distancing and no masks, the numbers may go down now that they’re closed. As for Disney, the only way I see them not opening is if contact tracing begins to point to cases coming from Universal and the other open parks. If that doesn’t happen, I think they’ll open on time.

Contact tracing doesn't work when you've got 10k positives a day. It's too many people to contact trace.

 

[Krandor]

I’m not completely clear on whether this is the case, but it may also have closed the physical bar area in the restaurants. Tables seem to be more easily socially distant that bar style seating.

I don't know the specifics of the FL order, but the one in GA had bars closed for weeks after others things could open and all my sports bars had bar areas open with less stools or modified configurations.

 

[Anna_Sh]

Contact tracing doesn't work when you've got 10k positives a day. It's too many people to contact trace.

I can’t speak to how successful it is, but Florida seems to be giving it a try. If hundreds of Universal guests get sick, I’m fairly confident we’ll know.

 

[Spridell]

ALL of this information is made available by the state of Colorado on an easily navigable website. Does the state of Florida have one? And if not, why? DeSantis isn’t exactly winning any transparency awards here, and that isn’t the media’s fault.

Yes all of that information is available here. Updated 11am everyday

https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/

 

[Marionnette]

FL really needs to report hospitalizations & deaths. If those aren’t going up, there is a good chance the virus is weakening so more ppl having it isn’t as relevant.

Not necessarily weakening so much as the demographics of those who are reported positive is shifting to a younger age group. Hospitalizations among the trending age group, 19-29 years of age, has been low from the beginning. Even if the hospitalization rate and deaths aren’t spiking, that doesn’t mean that the virus is less virulent. It just means that more patients with stronger immune systems are testing positive.

If you want to really assess whether the virus is attenuating, you have to look at the effect of hospitalizations and deaths among the most vulnerable groups that are testing positive (over age 60, multiple co-morbidities, etc). If that rate goes down, then we are truly seeing a weaker form of the virus.

 

[wombat_5606]

Yes all of that information is available here. Updated 11am everyday

https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/

Try opening the Dashboard that supplies county specific information from that page. Almost every page says: "Not fully configured" and shows no data.

 

[Dulcee]

It’s not coronavirus-specific, but here’s the link for hospital and ICU beds.
https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABI...RedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y&:mobile=true

This is a nifty little tool. It would be nice to see cases admitted due to covid (versus non covid/and tested for covid but in for other reasons) but helpful none the less.

 

[Amy11401]

These were Saturdays number's.

Tomorrow we will get today's number's which will most likely be lower

The more concerning part is miami had had mandatory masks for almost 2 months now and numbers still getting higher and higher.

Not to bring up a whole mask debate but even though masks have been required in miami is it actually being inforced and are people wearing them? I know around where I live they are required and unfortunately many people are not wearing them. Plus with the all the bars that were opened the people in them did not need to have them on since they were eating/drinking. Maybe it will improve there with the bars shut down?

 

[EmJ]

Yes all of that information is available here. Updated 11am everyday

https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/

Is it though? Where am I missing it? I see daily cases, testing, and percent positive, but I don't see daily hospital admissions, total hospital admissions, ICU bed availability, vent availability, or daily deaths except for in nursing homes. All of that is very important data. I'm completely willing to admit user error on this one, I just don't see it. If I go to my own state's website, I can have all of that information in under sixty seconds. I check it every day after it is posted at 4:00 pm.

 

[Krandor]

We probably need to move this discussion back to disney world

 

[hereforthechurros]

I can’t see park hopper coming back before Jan. They may raise the capacity at parks in Sep/Oct, but that is as far as they will go, imho.

All speculation but I wouldn’t be surprised to see hopping to Epcot implemented this year if park demand remains low.