Crowds now and next few weeks

Just got home in the very early hours of this morning. Was there from Wednesday to yesterday. I found that the crowds were not horrible, but crowd control was, and that impacted wait times, moving through the park, etc. I've gone this same week on a few occasions, and there were visibly smaller bus lines, etc, this year, but crowd control was worse than prior years.
 
Just got home in the very early hours of this morning. Was there from Wednesday to yesterday. I found that the crowds were not horrible, but crowd control was, and that impacted wait times, moving through the park, etc. I've gone this same week on a few occasions, and there were visibly smaller bus lines, etc, this year, but crowd control was worse than prior years.
I am just curious what you are referring to by "crowd control"? Are you talking about things like CMs not keeping open walkways before fireworks? or not controlling the lines that extend out of the Q? or not enough CMs working the bus lines at the end of the night?
We are headed down in 4 weeks and just wondering if I should prepare myself for chaos at certain times!?
 
Here now, not wall to wall, but not light crowds either. 40 minute wait for Figment ?
They’re okay. Not Christmas crowded, but honestly, Disney has gotten so expert* at down-staffing that it pretty much “feels” crowded always (vis a vis long wait times, etc. The crowds themselves ebb and flow on the streets from a mob to sparse.) In theory, crowd levels should drop slowly but steadily throughout the month, but I would assume crowded/long waits and develop a touring plan accordingly.

(*Here now, btw, and this is not a compliment. Last week has been med crowds, but felt med-heavy based on such stellar decisions as only operating one side of Pirates, transferring off BTMRR trains early, closing down one side of the Pecos Bill toppings bar despite long lines, etc, only staffing one or two out of four available QS windows, etc. Prepare for busy.)

We are here now as well. Its busier then last year at this time. And staff has been cut, to much in our opinion. I think staff is overwhelmed because it. FP lines have been long. Splash was actually across the bridge.
 
Just got home in the very early hours of this morning. Was there from Wednesday to yesterday. I found that the crowds were not horrible, but crowd control was, and that impacted wait times, moving through the park, etc. I've gone this same week on a few occasions, and there were visibly smaller bus lines, etc, this year, but crowd control was worse than prior years.

I agree with this. It seems like alot of first timers here as well. They haven't done their homework. Asking all kinds of questions to Cm's that are at the FP line which holds it up. Crowd control has been rough where we have been too. Fireworks were so miserable at MK, it felt unsafe. We have seem arguments, my husband broke one up in at Avatar line.

Epcot was full of people who have had to many drinks. There was a family of three in front of us on the Frozen ride. The parents were so drunk they barely could walk. They got in the fast past line. They did not have magic bands. She had to fumble through her purse to find her cards once we got the 2nd check pt. They did not have a FP. The attendant let them through anyway. (I would have too) Then they went on about how they got through and how funny it was and they would continue to do it. It worries me someone is going to get hurt. Both of those adults had zero business on that ride in that condition.

We are having a good time. But it is not the trip we had last year for sure. I am hoping crowds will lesson soon.
 

I am just curious what you are referring to by "crowd control"? Are you talking about things like CMs not keeping open walkways before fireworks? or not controlling the lines that extend out of the Q? or not enough CMs working the bus lines at the end of the night?
We are headed down in 4 weeks and just wondering if I should prepare myself for chaos at certain times!?

Lines were extending out of the queue, because half of the queue space wasn't being used, and in more than one instance, only one side of 2 were being utilized for loading, which didn't help the queue situation. Pre-parade was also pretty bad. I actually found a really impressive amount of CMs working bus lines, particularly at the end of the night. However, it frequently felt like they were not running enough buses.
 
We're there 9/13 - 9/18...hoping with all the kids back in school it will be more manageable!
 
We have been here since 8/11, and comparing this August with August 2017, I think it is busier this year. Not huge crowds, but there is a significant difference in the crowd level. I have to agree with those who mentioned staff shortages; definitely noticed a difference.
 
I think this August has been some of the lowest crowd levels in a long time, for the summer. Mostly 5 and 6's when I was there.
 
In my experience, the summer crowds drop off significantly after the 2nd or 3rd week of August, right around now. You should be fine!
 
Just back from 4 full days at WDW. Crowds were manageable and rope drop IS your best friend. As usual MK and AK were crowded at miserable by 1 pm.
 
Here since Monday, crowds are lower then my last few visits. (Thanksgiving 2017, February 2017, November 2016 and August 2015)
 
Does Disney ever publish information that shows which days of the week certain parks are the busiest? I see lots of opinions about crowd size from other people, but wonder if Disney ever publishes formal stats?

I have seen some non-disney website that estimate future crowd size but I doubt those are very accurate. Disney most likely doesn't provide 3rd parties with reservation information and even for Disney it is probably difficult to estimate crowd size for those staying at a non-disney property. Park tickets don't show a date of first use, so even when people buy tickets, Disney has no way to know when they plan to show up and start using them, except for those staying at a Disney property.
 
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Does Disney ever publish information that shows which days of the week certain parks are the busiest? I see lots of opinions about crowd size from other people, but wonder if Disney ever publishes formal stats?

I have seen some non-disney website that estimate future crowd size but I doubt those are very accurate. Disney most likely doesn't provide 3rd parties with reservation information and even for Disney it is probably difficult to estimate crowd size for those staying at a non-disney property. Park tickets don't show a date of first use, so even when people buy tickets, Disney has no way to know when they plan to show up and start using them, except for those staying at a Disney property.

Good question. x
 
Does Disney ever publish information that shows which days of the week certain parks are the busiest? I see lots of opinions about crowd size from other people, but wonder if Disney ever publishes formal stats?

I have seen some non-disney website that estimate future crowd size but I doubt those are very accurate. Disney most likely doesn't provide 3rd parties with reservation information and even for Disney it is probably difficult to estimate crowd size for those staying at a non-disney property. Park tickets don't show a date of first use, so even when people buy tickets, Disney has no way to know when they plan to show up and start using them, except for those staying at a Disney property.

Well

They (Disney) kinda really do Know now when those old off site resort guests plan to come. They have just recently demanded a 30 day notice so they can plan staffing even better than before. That thing is called the fast pass plus system. Now they even know what park the guest plans to go to on what day. And resort guests, they know two months in advance at which park on what day. Nice.

Wow. They even know what time that guest plans to arrive. Are they morning, afternoon or evening fast passes that day. Wow. If the guest has an adr, they pretty much can say exactly where and when you plan to spend time in the park down to the lands. I am just waiting t if bathroom Dessie's or ft are going to come online. Lol

Not only that, but they 'lock the guests in' to those parks almost regardless of weather. Can you imagine scoring your FoP fast pass two months out, arrive at Disney, and find out that your ak day is forecasted torrential rain. Are you going to switch parks or opt for a down day and change your schedule? Then you have to change another days fast passes too?

I have no idea what percentage of people use the FP+ and organize their trip 1-2 months out in advance with specific dates for specific parks. But I DO know, that number is growing and will continue to grow with time. That my friends is brilliant crowd prediction tools.

Side note: some will say that adrs already told Disney in general about that. But I disagree. People blew off dining reservations all the time and still do. Many resort and no resort guests may do only counterservice in the parks. Many dining reservations are for locations outside of theme parks at different resorts or Disney springs. And a dining reservation at the theme park, even a hard to get one, will not psychologically lock in a guest like FP+

FP+ was the most brilliant thing that the Disney bean counters and forecasters have EVER done. And is time goes by, the will continue to tweak it and improve it (for Disney,) so that they can predict, manipulate and move crowds as they wish - between parks, and inside the park itself.

Edited to add, sorry- its a bit ranty- but the whole system just blows my mind. As always, jmho
 
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Disney internally probably has information available to assist with park staffing, housekeeping, meal capacity, etc. but apparently doesn't share that with the public. Was more interested in what is available to the general public. I have no idea what % of park goers use FastPass and since you can only book a max of 3 at a time, some probably don't even bother with it. I think advance room reservations would be useful, but many stay at non-disney off-site properties or are locals and use their Annual Pass to just show up for the day. Seen a few 3rd party websites who will charge you a fee to provide their estimates. Not interested in those and no idea how accurate they are or how they even make their projections. Doubt Disney provides them any detail future attendance data.

Most likely the general attendance trends follow known holidays, school summer vacations and college spring break.....etc.
 
I agree with you that Disney never gives details in advance, at the time, or any historical details. Ever.

But there is where we part ways. There are good websites that provide historical data that they have collected, and have done some analysis, and can give you some good ideas on better park picks not just over know holidays, but comparitavely every week and month.

There are some websites who use (and I think some still do) to predict crowd behaviour due to crowd psychology and external factors. They ABSOLUTELY worked, as I spent many days in the park with small children, walking on almost every ride, and feeling like a salmon swimming upstream at times because we were exiting a ride or land when the masses were coming.

(If you don't think crowd psychology impacts on which park the masses go to, or how it can show to use that knowledge so you don't wait much, to not at all, in line, then I challenge you two tasks. One,:at your resort, on departure early morning, check and see if one of the parks buses waiting spot is overflowing, some with moderate lines, and usually one with not much at all.

Second challenge on crowd mentality- have you ever been to a park before opening, and some turnstiles have 200 people in them and some are completely empty? Walk past the huge lineups to the empty turnstile and wait- in about a minute you will have hundreds of people behind you, and you are at the front of the pack.)

The probably some don't even bother with it comment- I think that is both a yes and no. Certainly a good portion of guests don't even know or understand it. But a lot do: otherwise certain attractions would not max out the FP limits within minutes or less from being available. And as time goes on, more and more people will be using this system, so Disney's data harvesting will only be growing.

I have really not been on the disboards much, have not been for almost five years, but was thinking of going next year with all my kids that are real adults, 21, not just Disney adults. But this thread caught my attention immediately, because I think the observations of these disboarders of what is going on is an indication that Disney is now working on very specific cost saving issues at low crowd times from the very specific data they are harvesting from FP+. As this is my preferred time to go (end of August, low crowds, hopefully free dining) I think it shows me that low crowds are not an indicator of quick standby times anymore.

Hence, understanding crowd patterns from a couple of good websites (paid or free) are a good idea, jmho.

Darn, I'm so long winded so I had to edit to add one more comment regarding the data harvesting. Disney not only has the tool of upcoming FP+ reservations, but now they have years of historical data on exact crowd movements. Those mickeybands- a lot of people wear those in the parks, right? Disney can track every ride, possibly ever meal,snack and souvineer, every visit in to a gift shop even if nothing is purchased, everything. They can see very specifically of the effect of weather on crowd patterns, even to where people go to in the park during the storms or whatever.

They have some serious data, and they will become experts on this data, and how to use it to forecast staff/ food/ souvenirs, everything.
 
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All that really matters is if I knew (as an example) Magic Kingdom will be less busy than Epcot on a certain Wednesday, it might make a difference in the days we chose to visit those parks. None of that other stuff matters to me.
 
Actually, Disney in a way does have a crowd calendar -- they charge more for certain days and seasons. Check out their chart:

http://www.disneyticketcalendar.com/wdw.pdf

What Disney is telling us is the "value" days are the least crowded and the "peak" days are the busiest.

Your experience on "value" vs. "regular" may not be that much different, however, as Disney shrinks its staff and runs attractions at half-capacity during slower times.

Overall, I think going to Disney is a better experience during non-peak times as you won't be facing as large of crowds. However, it does not mean short lines at attractions.
 


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