Crowd Outlook

[Upatnoon]

Comparative to where they sold out last year, they are actually running pretty far behind. I think most dates will sell out, it’s just a question of when.

Just my take, but the busier Disney is the faster the dates would sell out

Last year was an outlier with so much pent-up demand. In years past I don't recall it selling out so quickly.

In 2019, I recall buying the tickets a few days ahead of time for mid-October party.

Selling out 4 weeks ahead of time still seems pretty brisk. If they price it too low it would also sell out faster, but then you are leaving money on the table.

 

[HokieRaven5]

Comparative to where they sold out last year, they are actually running pretty far behind. I think most dates will sell out, it’s just a question of when.

Just my take, but the busier Disney is the faster the dates would sell out

At this point last year 22 of the 37 parties were not sold out.

For this year 23 of the 38 parties are not sold out.

 

[Suger Mag]

Ok here we are, mid/late august. Do we think we can draw any inferences from MNSSHP party still only having October 31st sold out, and openings in September still?

there have been some room discounts and the 4 day ticket deal that all end at the end of September so I think that is part of the push for selling the Sept and Aug dates first, it will be interesting to see how October sales progress as we go into Sept as last year that is when most of those sold. I know I am excited to go for the first time on 10/29.

2022 Party Days with dates they sold out in BOLD 8/12 (8/7), 8/16 (7/28), 8/19 (8/7), 8/23 (8/8), 8/26 (8/11), 8/30 (8/16), 9/2 (8/1), 9/5 (8/12), 9/9 (8/18), 9/11 (8/29), 9/13 (8/18), 9/16 (8/18), 9/18 (8/23), 9/20 (8/12), 9/23 (8/29), 9/25 (8/29), 9/27 (8/29), 9/29 (9/1), 9/30 (8/23), 10/2 (8/18), 10/4 (8/30), 10/6 (8/31), 10/7 (9/1), 10/10 (8/30), 10/11 (8/29), 10/13 (8/30), 10/14 (9/8), 10/16 (9/5), 10/18 (8/30), 10/20 (9/6), 10/21 (9/10), 10/23 (9/6), 10/25 (9/5), 10/27 (9/5), 10/28 (9.8), 10/30 (8/15), 10/31 (7/2)

 

[Minnie1222]

Yeah, I don't think the "wokeness" is keeping the guests away. Most likely just the cost.

Based on the high attendance this past long weekend, I believe Disney has found a new group that's comfortable with the price.

 

[john7994]

Does no one want to talk about the elephant in the room ??? I mean I know several families that will never visit Disney again unless they get away from the woke stuff. I know my family would LOVE to go back but could not enjoy it the way things are.

Definitely something in THIS room - but not sure if it’s an elephant …

 

[fatmanatee]

 

[Jrb1979]

To get this thread back the newest promo for Spring is kids 3-9 are 50% off on tickets and a dining plan with the purchase of a non discounted 4 night 4 day hotel and ticket package.

This type of discount is not normal, especially that it goes all the way to June

 

[SkyGuy]

To get this thread back the newest promo for Spring is kids 3-9 are 50% off on tickets and a dining plan with the purchase of a non discounted 4 night 4 day hotel and ticket package.

This type of discount is not normal, especially that it goes all the way to June

The way the kids in my family eat, this is not a good deal for us since the normal food budget per child per day is, literally, no more than $10, and that’s probably pushing it. I could take a bag of goldfish crackers into the park and call it a day. I’d rather have the hotel discount!

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

The way the kids in my family eat, this is not a good deal for us since the normal food budget per child per day is, literally, no more than $10, and that’s probably pushing it. I could take a bag of goldfish crackers into the park and call it a day. I’d rather have the hotel discount!

I agree that it is not a great deal, if you know what you're taking about. For a majority of people that sounds like a good deal though

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

i do wonder when Columbus day crowds typically ramp up. I would say that based on today we are still in the quiet before the storm

 

[RivShore]

To get this thread back the newest promo for Spring is kids 3-9 are 50% off on tickets and a dining plan with the purchase of a non discounted 4 night 4 day hotel and ticket package.

This type of discount is not normal, especially that it goes all the way to June

Maybe in recent history its not normal but what about the last time the economy was headed to a possible slowdown with very high (and probably increasing) interest rates? That would be the true comparison.

 

[RivShore]

And I must point out yet again that this is not a Disney only problem:

The price cuts come as the company's U.S.-based parks have seen a slowdown in attendance and hotel room occupancy as consumers face higher costs due to inflation. Disney is not the only company facing these issues. Universal's domestic parks, as well as region players like Six Flags and Sea World, have reported lower attendance this year.

Travel agents have pointed to higher ticket prices and a rise in trips to Europe as the major factors in declining domestic theme park attendance.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/ne...1&cvid=a21e8323647c41768187a31c5943349e&ei=16

 

[Jrb1979]

And I must point out yet again that this is not a Disney only problem:

The price cuts come as the company's U.S.-based parks have seen a slowdown in attendance and hotel room occupancy as consumers face higher costs due to inflation. Disney is not the only company facing these issues. Universal's domestic parks, as well as region players like Six Flags and Sea World, have reported lower attendance this year.

Travel agents have pointed to higher ticket prices and a rise in trips to Europe as the major factors in declining domestic theme park attendance.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/ne...1&cvid=a21e8323647c41768187a31c5943349e&ei=16

I never said it was. The problem I see is that for Disney who is already having issues on the studios side of things is looking to have a slowdown on the parks side of things. In the short term it's not a good thing.

 

[ChipnDale79]

And I must point out yet again that this is not a Disney only problem:

The price cuts come as the company's U.S.-based parks have seen a slowdown in attendance and hotel room occupancy as consumers face higher costs due to inflation. Disney is not the only company facing these issues. Universal's domestic parks, as well as region players like Six Flags and Sea World, have reported lower attendance this year.

Travel agents have pointed to higher ticket prices and a rise in trips to Europe as the major factors in declining domestic theme park attendance.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/ne...1&cvid=a21e8323647c41768187a31c5943349e&ei=16

i think covid opened up different types of travel experiences to people instead of just going to theme parks.

Theme park industry may see a downfall of that for awhile.

I know there are a lot of people on this forum that simply dont go to disney as often as they used to for various reasons.

 

[wabbott]

Earlier in the summer Jeremy Siegel (Wharton School of Business) opined that YOLO spending is what kept the economy going, but will end sometimes soon. YOLO: You Only Live Once.

I tend to agree with him. Since Covid, many people have said to themselves that one day, we'll be too old or sick to go and do, so we better do so now. It has influenced our thinking on travel.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

Earlier in the summer Jeremy Siegel (Wharton School of Business) opined that YOLO spending is what kept the economy going, but will end sometimes soon. YOLO: You Only Live Once.

I tend to agree with him. Since Covid, many people have said to themselves that one day, we'll be too old or sick to go and do, so we better do so now. It has influenced our thinking on travel.

Potentially, personally i believe Covid shook things up for a lot of families and they tried a lot of things they may not have in the past (ie travelling during a time period of the year they wouldn't have in the past) which could have a huge impact on the travel/leisure industry, and how people travel moving forward. I also don't believe there has been a huge pullback in travel (maybe domestically, but not internationally), and if the "YOLO" hypothesis was correct you would expect to see that happening by now especially a year removed from the harshest restrictions

 

[Minnie1222]

This type of discount is not normal, especially that it goes all the way to June

It's perfectly normal since we're expecting a slow down. The only promotion I'm interested in is the AP room discount but that still hasn't matched the pre-Covid level. For the same week, we used to get 35% off, now we get a lowly 10% on a room that had almost doubled in price. This makes me think they're not as desperate as people believe.

 

[Jrb1979]

Potentially, personally i believe Covid shook things up for a lot of families and they tried a lot of things they may not have in the past (ie travelling during a time period of the year they wouldn't have in the past) which could have a huge impact on the travel/leisure industry, and how people travel moving forward. I also don't believe there has been a huge pullback in travel (maybe domestically, but not internationally), and if the "YOLO" hypothesis was correct you would expect to see that happening by now especially a year removed from the harshest restrictions

I agree with that. IMO is why amusement and theme parks are seeing lower attendance. Since parks were one of the first things to open after Covid, many families visited them for a first time.

 

[Jrb1979]

It's perfectly normal since we're expecting a slow down. The only promotion I'm interested in is the AP room discount but that still hasn't matched the pre-Covid level. For the same week, we used to get 35% off, now we get a lowly 10% on a room that had almost doubled in price. This makes me think they're not as desperate as people believe.

I disagree.

IMO why you haven't seen that AP discount yet is that is one of the last levers they will pull. They already know most APs are making a trip or 2.

They're desperate to get out-of-state families back into their hotels, opening their wallets on the regular. That's were the big money is.

 

[Minnie1222]

I disagree.

IMO why you haven't seen that AP discount yet is that is one of the last levers they will pull. They already know most APs are making a trip or 2.

They're desperate to get out-of-state families back into their hotels, opening their wallets on the regular. That's were the big money is.

I agree they're courting new and returning families. What I'm trying to say is if they're truly desperate, they should try to entice BOTH new families and AP holders.