Crazies on the Community Board

[smartestnumber5]

Has anyone seen the thread about letting convicted criminals but not gays enlist? The thread has brought out the crazies

One person thinks seeing rainbows makes children gay! If only--then we could carry out our evil plan to gain world domination by making everyone gay with total ease.

That's just amusing in it's craziness, but there's also a person suggesting that to stop gays from whining about not be allowed in the military we be let in, and then sent on the most dangerous missions on the front lines so that we all die.

Where do these nutcases come from?

 

[JennyMominRI]

Has anyone seen the thread about letting convicted criminals but not gays enlist? The thread has brought out the crazies

One person thinks seeing rainbows makes children gay! If only--then we could carry out our evil plan to gain world domination by making everyone gay with total ease.

That's just amusing in it's craziness, but there's also a person suggesting that to stop gays from whining about not be allowed in the military we be let in, and then sent on the most dangerous missions on the front lines so that we all die.

Where do these nutcases come from?

I'm sorry..I'm truly sorry.. That post about putting gay people on the front lines so they come home in body bags is just vile.. It's a new low. Sometimes I really lose faith in humanity

 

[smartestnumber5]

I'm sorry..I'm truly sorry.. That post about putting gay people on the front lines so they come home in body bags is just vile.. It's a new low. Sometimes I really lose faith in humanity

Thanks Jenny.

I'm really convinced I'm somehow misunderstanding what that poster is saying. (But then, if that were the case, wouldn't s/he have cleared things up by now?) I just can't believe somebody would openly say things like that.

 

[singingpixie]

I'm thinking that the poster is trying to say that she believes the federal government would stoop so low as to assign GLBTQ folks to more dangerous missions. If so, I'm horrified to think of the people she relates to on every day that she thinks wouldn't care- even the most hardcore conservative people I know would have a problem with such a blatantly discriminatory gesture (granted I don't hang around with the Fred Phelps of society very often). If there are places where homophobia is that rampant, that makes me ill.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Thanks Jenny.

I'm really convinced I'm somehow misunderstanding what that poster is saying. (But then, if that were the case, wouldn't s/he have cleared things up by now?) I just can't believe somebody would openly say things like that.

No misunderstanding... I think the sentance about how gay people would come out and beg for *discrimination* once they started coming home in bodybags...Clearly she thinks gay people must be weaker and more cowardly than straight people

 

[singingpixie]

Oh and the rainbow thing?

I wonder how many rainbows someone must see before spontaneously becoming gay? Or maybe it's a sliding scale.... if someone only sees a moderate amount of rainbow, that person ends up bi?

That's truly one of the most bizarre things I've read in my years of reading threads like this on the CB.

 

[ConcKahuna]

No misunderstanding... I think the sentance about how gay people would come out and beg for *discrimination* once they started coming home in bodybags...Clearly she thinks gay people must be weaker and more cowardly than straight people

Is it everyone's favorite girl from Conneticut?

Anyone have a link to this thread?

Never mind, everyone's probably still asleep I'll go find it...

 

[VMK_MagicalLadee]

I'm from the Teen Board, and I am also doing a project where in our Candian government, we discuss issues, and I chose homophobia. I have a rainbow in my logo for my political party..

I guess thats going to make people in my class gay?

Honestly, people are disgustingly ignorant these days. I was told not to be rude in my speech, but I'm going to make my presentation VERY interesting, and this is something I can include.

 

[OrlandoMike]

The CB is what it is, and yes it has it's fair share of people who dont agree with our cause. All you can do is post your opinion in a nice friendly mannor.

Now if we could only get more spinning rainbows over there...oh wait, then our board will get more crowded....never mind!

 

[meandtheguys2]

Yikes. Was going to post a statement about God making rainbows, but just didnt' want to deal with another crazie.

 

[NYBlue1]

Oh boy this is what I miss going to bed early, how dare I let having to get up for work in the way of my DISing!!! Must go see what happy friends there are to play with on the good old community board today!!! Im sure they will be open and refresing as always!!

HI JENNY!!! Good to see you here as always! What do you think about the comments manny made yesterday, personally I think they were taken a bit out of context! You have to be bitting your nails today!

 

[DVC~OKW~96]

Queer folk are already fighting and dying for their country (in the armed forces) so what makes anyone think they aren't already coming home in "body bags?"

Jaysus. Deliver me from Evil...

 

[minicoopercraig]

Hmm, my thoughts?

(1) The stereotype that we're the weaker of the species is SO UNTRUE! LOL. Who else can have, well, relations the way gay men do and still want to bake a cake afterwards?! Putting us on the front line would cause two issues: (1) We'd reorganize the enemies fox holes to get the best lighting before killing them all for wearing last years Army Fashions. And (2) the war would probably never even start, we don't fight for oil, we use hair gel
(2) By not letting gays into the military, and by enforcing "Don't Ask. Don't Tell." They've eliminated over at least 10,000 men/women from doing their duty for the country. And since they now need that many people to enforce their current war policies, they've lowered their standards to accepting felons and illeagal immigrants with the promise of allowing citizenship.
Hmm, that says something about our country. We'd rather let someone into our country who we don't know where their loyalties lie then let a bunch of "poofs" into the military to "distract" and "undermine" the others in our company from actually fighting, they'd be too busy thinking about sex.

Sorry! I'm ranting! *takes 3 Pirin tablets with a chaser of Maker's Mark* Ahh, all done. Discuss!

 

[DisneyMomOK]

I am old (50-something), so maybe at one time I knew , but senility set in...but, what could be the reason behind not letting any US citizen wanting to serve...uh, serve? It couldn't be: sexual harassment; it couldn't be: someone would tattle on you and "embarass" you (because there would no longer be a "don't ask, don't tell" policy). So, why, would there be any problem? I just don't understand.

 

[minicoopercraig]

I don't think that the actual enlisted men and women have any problem with serving next to a gay/lesbian soldier, I think it's the higher ups, who don't have the tolerance and the understanding to accept, that the times are changing, and the gays should be allowed to do their civil duty and serve. In the long run, many other countries have already allowed gays and lesbians into their military operations and have had no problems whatsoever with it. I think, IMO, that they are looking farther down the line and thinking that when any servicemen retires, they get the benifits of the Army, Marines, Navy what have you, and SO DO THEIR SPOUSES. They don't want that! It's another strike against Gay Marriage, and Equal Rights. Does that make sense to anyone else but me?!
I guess I still don't understand, and no offense to anyone by this, but, I don't understand how we as US citizens, born and raised here, can be told what rights we can and can't have, I'm reckoning back to the 60's here with the Civil Liberties case, and wishing we could get into the 21st century with our military, and stop looking to untrue stereotypes to keep us out of the "masculine" egocentric machine.

 

[Got Quattro?]

Oh and the rainbow thing?

I wonder how many rainbows someone must see before spontaneously becoming gay? Or maybe it's a sliding scale.... if someone only sees a moderate amount of rainbow, that person ends up bi?

That's truly one of the most bizarre things I've read in my years of reading threads like this on the CB.

I am the one who wrote that and feal compelled to answer.

First, I am not homophobic. But believe, likemost people, that in nature, man and woman are mates. I belleive in god, but also undertsand that nature takes it's course. We as a species could not propigate if same gender sex was "normal".

That being said.....I have no problem with people wanting to go be with someone of their own gender.

But, as a father, trying to raise a 6 year old daughter, it is difficult to explain when she knows mommy and daddy as partners he entire life, then see's to men kissing in public. Then sees shows on TV with men being gay (will and grace). (yes, we controll her TV, but stuff happens).

My point was, children are bombarded with gay and lesbianism on TV, in the movies, in print. And yes, the rainbow which has been adopted by the community.

Now if you say that gay and lesbians were born with that orientation, I can understand that. But again, most of the worlds population is not orientated that way and having to defend our children from that type of content is hard. If they see enough of it, then there may be a "choice" to go that way. So that is why i dont by the a "we were bron this way".

It is a choice for most, and it's not how nature / god intended the hman species.

I am entitled to my view points just like you are. It's not hate to have believes that dont match yours.

Eventually, a common ground will be found. Untill then we all just have to ride the waves.

Thanks

 

[RickinNYC]

I am the one who wrote that and feal compelled to answer.

First, I am not homophobic. But believe, likemost people, that in nature, man and woman are mates. I belleive in god, but also undertsand that nature takes it's course. We as a species could not propigate if same gender sex was "normal".

That being said.....I have no problem with people wanting to go be with someone of their own gender.

But, as a father, trying to raise a 6 year old daughter, it is difficult to explain when she knows mommy and daddy as partners he entire life, then see's to men kissing in public. Then sees shows on TV with men being gay (will and grace). (yes, we controll her TV, but stuff happens).

My point was, children are bombarded with gay and lesbianism on TV, in the movies, in print. And yes, the rainbow which has been adopted by the community.

Now if you say that gay and lesbians were born with that orientation, I can understand that. But again, most of the worlds population is not orientated that way and having to defend our children from that type of content is hard. If they see enough of it, then there may be a "choice" to go that way. So that is why i dont by the a "we were bron this way".

It is a choice for most, and it's not how nature / god intended the hman species.

I am entitled to my view points just like you are. It's not hate to have believes that dont match yours.

Eventually, a common ground will be found. Untill then we all just have to ride the waves.

Thanks

Thinly veiled homophobia.

 

[MrVisible]

If no-one minds, I'm going to attempt to answer this one calmly and respectfully.

I am the one who wrote that and feal compelled to answer.

First, I am not homophobic. But believe, likemost people, that in nature, man and woman are mates. I belleive in god, but also undertsand that nature takes it's course. We as a species could not propigate if same gender sex was "normal".

Define 'nature.' You are aware, of course, that most animal populations have just as many homosexual individuals as human populations tend to. In what way is homosexuality 'unnatural?'

As to not being able to propagate if we were all gay, we wouldn't be able to propagate if we were all female. Or all male. Or all pre-pubescent, or very old. That doesn't mean that females, males, children or the elderly are unnatural, or that they don't have a role to play in the human experience.

That being said.....I have no problem with people wanting to go be with someone of their own gender. .

Your next few statements show that you do have a problem with people wanting to be with others of the same gender, though.

But, as a father, trying to raise a 6 year old daughter, it is difficult to explain when she knows mommy and daddy as partners he entire life, then see's to men kissing in public. Then sees shows on TV with men being gay (will and grace). (yes, we controll her TV, but stuff happens).

Why is seeing men kiss in public worse than seeing a man and a woman kiss in public? What about seeing two women kiss in public? If your daughter inadvertently sees a straight sex scene, you'd explain it in a manner which was appropriate to her age, something like "Two people who love each other very much sometimes do things like that." What's wrong with using the same explanation for seeing two men kissing? Believe me, the bigger deal you make of it, the more she's going to be curious.

My point was, children are bombarded with gay and lesbianism on TV, in the movies, in print. And yes, the rainbow which has been adopted by the community.

Oh, man, I wish. Do you have any idea how few positive gay role models there are out there? Straight kids have all sorts of people in the media they can use as role models; gay kids have zilch. Gay people exist. We live our lives, we do our laundry, we pay our taxes, we are a part of this culture. Why is the portrayal of a gay person a bad thing to have in the media?

Now if you say that gay and lesbians were born with that orientation, I can understand that. But again, most of the worlds population is not orientated that way and having to defend our children from that type of content is hard. If they see enough of it, then there may be a "choice" to go that way. So that is why i dont by the a "we were bron this way".

If you assume that we weren't born that way, then you're assuming we're liars. I can tell you, flat out, that I never chose to be gay. I've made myself a great life as a gay person, but the orientation was something that I had no say in. Why would an eleven-year-old kid who had no idea what being gay even meant choose to be gay? Just to piss off bigots?

If you take my word for it, and realize that gay people are telling you the truth when we say it's not a choice, then you have to realize that there are gay kids out there. No matter how they're brought up, no matter what they're exposed to, they grow up gay. There are gay kids in Iran, where the penalties against being gay are incredibly harsh and they're never ever exposed to any positive portrayals of homosexuality whatsoever. How did they get to be gay?

It is a choice for most, and it's not how nature / god intended the hman species.

I am entitled to my view points just like you are. It's not hate to have believes that dont match yours.

You're entitled to your beliefs. Others are entitled to point out that your beliefs don't make much sense, and to urge you to reconsider them in the light of additional facts.

Eventually, a common ground will be found. Untill then we all just have to ride the waves.

Thanks

I really hope you're right on this one.

 

[Princess_Michelle]

I am old (50-something), so maybe at one time I knew , but senility set in...but, what could be the reason behind not letting any US citizen wanting to serve...uh, serve? It couldn't be: sexual harassment; it couldn't be: someone would tattle on you and "embarass" you (because there would no longer be a "don't ask, don't tell" policy). So, why, would there be any problem? I just don't understand.

There are a few, albeit trivial, reasons why allowing gays into the military could be a problem. I was in Basic Training seven years ago. The first week or two, soldiers are put in "retention" while they get their uniforms, take their first PT tests, learn the ins and outs of military life, etc. We slept in huge bays with 50 or so girls, guys with guys, etc. While I personally didn't give a crap who I slept in the same room with, I do know of many girls that went through Basic with me, who would feel uncomfortable sleeping in the same room with a lesbian, just like they would feel if guys were allowed to sleep in the room.
The only part I would have an issue with, would be the shower situation. The older facilities have giant shower "rooms". A big room, tiled, no stalls...just about 10 spouts and a few drains. I would not feel comfortable showering with anyone who was attracted to the female sex, man or woman. I would constantly feel self conscious about my body. As would most girls. I imagine so would most guys. Once you make it to your company, you are put with a smaller amount of girls, like 30. The bathrooms are newer, at least they have stalls, not that they have doors.....Basically, at night, we would have to toe the line, Drill Sgt. would go over stuff for the day, and next day, etc. We had SEVEN (we got more time as we got farther along in the course) minutes to get showered, ready for bed, and back on the line. She would say go, we would all run for the bathroom, strip, get in line buck naked, and file into the showers, sometimes, 2 or 3 to a stall. We're talking rubbing bodies here people. I imagine that's why so many close friendships are made in the military But, that's the only thing I ever thought of when the whole "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" thing was talked about. It would mean that they would have to have, a male bay, a female bay, a gay bay, a lesbian bay, etc. in order to make everything comfortable for everyone....that's a lot with an already stretched budget. Not to mention the extra time involved policing 4 bays, as opposed to two. They spent a lot of time keeping the sexes seperated. You only have 9 weeks to take some 18 yr. old kid, fresh out of high school, and turn them into a soldier, they don't have time for that crap. I only knew of 2, (one guy, one girl) fellow soldiers who let it out on the "down low" that they were gay. I was friends with the guy, didn't have to shower with him, so no problems. And if I did, it wouldn't bother me, cause he's gay. Luckily I didn't have to shower with the girl, but it would have made me uncomfortable....

It's just a lot of red tape to go through for such a small percantage, I guess it's easier to just turn them away. I think the "alternative" of Don't Ask, Don't Tell is good short fix. After all, I don't really assume that girls I'm showering with are checkin' me out, so, as long as they don't tell me they swing that way.....ignorance is bliss, ya' know? I have to say though...I wouldn't feel comfortable in Basic with a convicted rapist either, or some girl that had a bad habit of beating people to a pulp.

 

[minicoopercraig]

Hmm, my only question is, why in my high school were the boys all forced to shower together without any curtains under seperate shower stalls? In your opinion then, they should make EVERY school that was built before 1990 go back, and tear out their locker rooms and put in newer shower stalls so everyone can be comfortable and the same thing goes for the military? I don't get it. Personally, the only time that I would ever consider paying attention to someone in the shower would be if it were just one on one. I'M PERSONALLY VERY SHY AND HATE TO THINK PEOPLE KNOW THAT I'M GAY IN PUBLIC! That's the way society has raised me, I'm forced into the corners, to shy away from holding my boyfriend of 6 years hands in public. I can't even give him a peck on a cheek at our friends house!
I don't care if other people feel uncomfortable with gay/lesbians in the showers, if we enlist WILLINGLY to serve our country during a time of war, we should be allowed to be ourselves and help others fight for us. I just don't see why people can't accept us for who we are and what we are. Other countries already have, and these countries are considered by our standards lower than our own, but, they are fine with having gays and lesbians in their military services WITHOUT making special arrangments in any way.

I'm just confused I guess.