Crash beats Brokeback!!! Yay!

Bob Slydell said:
No no no -- giving homosexuals and pimps awards is the true reason for the moral decline. :thumbsup2 :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

It's all making sense now! Thanks for clearing that up ;) :teeth:
 
I didn't see Brokeback but I really liked Crash and was happy to see it win.
 

I don't know, while I didn't see Crash, so I have no personal opinion on the quality of the movie...I think Roger Ebert loses his point in the final paragraphs of his article.

Of course not. "Brokeback Mountain" was simply a better movie than "Capote." And "Crash" was better than "Brokeback Mountain," although they were both among the best films of the year. That is a matter of opinion. But I was not "discomfited" by "Brokeback Mountain." Read my original review. I chose "Crash" as the best film of the year not because it promoted one agenda and not another, but because it was a better film.

The nature of the attacks on "Crash" by the supporters of "Brokeback Mountain" seem to proceed from the other position: "Brokeback" is better not only because of its artistry but because of its subject matter, and those who disagree hate homosexuals. Its supporters could vote for it in good conscience, vote for it and feel they had made a progressive move, vote for it and not feel that there was any stain on their liberal credentials for shunning what "Crash" had to offer.

In other words, in the first paragraph, he states that Crash being a "better" film (ie, more to offer from a true artistic standpoit, better production values, etc) is simpy a matter of opinion...he then loses that credibility in the 2nd paragraph when he states that for those that wanted Brokeback to win was NOT a matter opinion, but a matter of politics "...those who disagree hate homosexuals." A bit hypocritical to state that your opinion is based on production values, but the opinions of people that don't agree with your are not. Ebert seems to be a bit prejudiced himself.
 
Chattyaholic said:
I don't condone the gay lifestyle at all and for "Brokeback" to win Best Picture would be further proof of the decline in morals and values in people.


I completely disagree with you about homosexuality---I believe that it is natural and completely appropriate for homosexuals. No one chooses a homosexual orientation and it is simply another natural human condition. Period.

As for a decline in morals and values, I question how accurate that is. Every era has had its problems and controversies. Many people look back longingly on the 1950s as a period of morality, but was it moral when minorities were forced to sit in the back of the bus? Was it moral when people were denied opportunities for advancement simply because of the color of their skin? Was the forced sterilization of disabled people in the 1930s moral? Was it moral when intellectually challenged people were lobotomized? How about when homosexuals were sent to mental hospitals? Was that moral?

The arguement about declining moral values could more appropriately be regarded as a loss of power. White heterosexual Christians have lost some of their power in America because they must now share power with others who were wrongfully denied the opportunity to fully participate in our democratic society. And while most people believe in God or a higher power, the Constitution, with its promise of freedom for all, is still the highest law in our land.

There are plenty of things that I don't care for in today's America. However, I also see Americans opening their hearts and wallets to people recovering from natual disasters at home and abroad. Americans generously give their time and money to charity and to helping their neighbors. Millions of Americans toil in government, education, and the scientific community to improve life for their fellow human beings. Our society, while still havings its faults, is far from immoral or lacking in values.

I love the USA.
 
Bob Slydell said:
No no no -- giving homosexuals and pimps awards is the true reason for the moral decline. :thumbsup2 :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:
Ahh gotcha! Thanks for clearing that up. :thumbsup2 :rotfl:
 
LukenDC said:
I completely disagree with you about homosexuality---I believe that it is natural and completely appropriate for homosexuals. No one chooses a homosexual orientation and it is simply another natural human condition. Period.

As for a decline in morals and values, I question how accurate that is. Every era has had its problems and controversies. Many people look back longingly on the 1950s as a period of morality, but was it moral when minorities were forced to sit in the back of the bus? Was it moral when people were denied opportunities for advancement simply because of the color of their skin? Was the forced sterilization of disabled people in the 1930s moral? Was it moral when intellectually challenged people were lobotomized? How about when homosexuals were sent to mental hospitals? Was that moral?

The arguement about declining moral values could more appropriately be regarded as a loss of power. White heterosexual Christians have lost some of their power in America because they must now share power with others who were wrongfully denied the opportunity to fully participate in our democratic society. And while most people believe in God or a higher power, the Constitution, with its promise of freedom for all, is still the highest law in our land.

There are plenty of things that I don't care for in today's America. However, I also see Americans opening their hearts and wallets to people recovering from natual disasters at home and abroad. Americans generously give their time and money to charity and to helping their neighbors. Millions of Americans toil in government, education, and the scientific community to improve life for their fellow human beings. Our society, while still havings its faults, is far from immoral or lacking in values.

I love the USA.


I completely agree with every word you wrote. And I also think that saying things like homosexuality are responsible for the "moral decline" of America is a complete cop out. Instead of trying to become more open minded and learning to discuss our differences like rational human beings, people are hiding behind their holier-than-thou attitudes. If anything, THAT is going to be one of the reasons for the "moral decline" in this country. Hey...now I kinda wish Brokeback had won just so I could see all these people who were so relieved about the "Crash" win get their knickers in a twist ;)
 
Bob Slydell said:
No no no -- giving homosexuals and pimps awards is the true reason for the moral decline. :thumbsup2 :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:


Ooooohhhhh that's how it works! :rotfl: It's just so hard to keep track of...

Transgender? bad. Songs about Transgender- good and much better then songs about pimps. Movies about gays? bad and promoting moral decay. Who knew? thank goodness we have poster on the Dis to help us keep it all straighten out, huh?

:lmao:
 
I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain yet but I saw Crash, I went to see it by myself one afternoon. And let me tell you I am one harda** and I don't usually get caught up in the emotional undertones of movies. Crash had me crying, had me angry and had me thinking. I do not know the factors that they use to choose a movie but maybe it had something to do with the fact that the Crash was relatable(sp?) to more people than Brokeback was. I have had that feeling of helpless when being pulled over by the police with DH, being guilty of nothing but DWB. I have been in sooooo many situations where I have been stereotyed against, I thought Crash was very moving and worthy of winning awards. No to mention the all-star cast who did great jobs in their roles!!!
 
I thought an Oscar is awarded for excellence in a film. Not the topic :confused3
 
Planogirl said:
I find this argument against Brokeback Mountain strange. The whole point was forbidden love and lack of choices IMO i.e. who they really were and pretended to be as Dana said. During that time, a gay man couldn't just go to his "true love". In today's world, it's still difficult particularly for someone in a stereotypical macho world like cowboys.

Keep in mind, the OP hasn't actually seen Brokeback Mountain.
 
HomeSweetDisney said:
I really wanted to reply to that too but thanks for saying something ;) I happened to think Hustle & Flow was an amazing film worthy of many awards and I couldn't help but be happy for Three Six Mafia when their song won for best song from a movie.
I actually saw this movie because I had some free time and it did not cost me anything. I was expecting nothing other than to waste some time and I actually liked it. The song fit perfectly in the movie. I would have shortened the amount of times it was sung.
I saw none of these movies. I tend to like comedies (which never win) and Disney (of course) and never waste my time watching awards shows.
 
Chattyaholic said:
I don't condone the gay lifestyle at all and for "Brokeback" to win Best Picture would be further proof of the decline in morals and values in people.

So, by this logic, we were already beyond hope as a country when "The Godfather" won best picture in '72. Just think about it. That movie was chockfull of murder, drug dealing, racism, adultery, domestic violence, and gluttonous consumption of pasta--not to mention cruelty to animals. (Anyone have any stats on whether or not horse beheadings have increased in the US since 1972?)

I don't think a couple of cowboys in love or a pimp "whooping his trick" is gonna make much difference. Clearly, we're already doomed.
 
So let me get this straight, pimps, who force women to have sex with men for money, beat them, are always on the look out for young run aways that they can get hooked on drugs so that they are then enslaved to them and when these women show any type of back bone these pimps then beat them to death or stab them to death or shoot them to death, this isn't considered moral decline? Aren't most of you women? You think it is ok for these pimps to treat women this way? It could be you, your mother, your sister your daughter. Oh, wait, no it wouldn't be any of YOU, would it? It's ok for this to happen to other people isn't it? As long as they're not gay of course. :lmao: As for the poor souls in Brokeback, they didn't have to get married. The bacheloer cowboy is a huge part of our American mythology. They did not have to ruin those womens lives to avoid being murdered, that is a bunch of crap!!! They could have lived a solitary cowboy existance, maybe picked up a bar skank once in a while to show their buddies what a stud they were( they didn't hate it to much, they managed to have kids :stir: ), and still had their boyfriend. Oh, gee, you don't want to hear that do you? All you ladies out there need to start thinking about the rights of women, if not for you than for your daughters. Pimps are ok? Are you nuts? It's ok for a man to cheat on his wife as long as its with another man and not a woman? Huh? Yes, these are immoral acts. I personally don't care what gays do together, as long as it's with other consenting adults. But our society is shifting to a point where anything gays do is acceptable because they are gay and have been put upon ( very similiar to the urban blacks). The media will report on outrages against gays (like the poor man Mathew Shepard) but they won't report on ourages commited by gays, at the same time as the Shepard story broke there were two gay men who had drugged sodomized and killed a young boy. This would usually have been headline news, but the media kept it quite because it went against their agenda of furthering the gay cause. So does the National Man Boy Love Association. You all are sooo accepting of things that don't even really concern you that I won't be suprised when I see a post on here one day saying, child molesters are born that way, it's NATURAL. As long as it's gay child molesters, a man who is attracted to little girl is still bad, oh, what a minute, unless he's muslim, that ok, because the prophet was right? STOP!!! There is right and there is wrong. You people have to stop sitting around patting yourselves on the back for being so progressive and openminded and look around at what is happening in the world. Yes bad things did happen in the 50's. Yes there were people who were unfairly and unneccesarely discriminated against,detained, and even lobotomized ( the sainted Kennedy's did this to their own daughter/sister, it was a short lived experiment that was tragically flawed) BUT at least my son could go across the street to the park and play without fear. We live in the most expensive part of town, but my husband won't walk the dogs after dark. Yes I miss the 50's, instead of demonizing a time when so much was right, we should just try to fix the things that were wrong with it instead of excepting a culture where everything is horrible for everyone. Wow, equality finally. :rolleyes: Oh, this is kind of rambling so let me sum up. Being gay is not a crime and shouldn't be, but hiding the crimes of gays or making excuses for them to further an agenda is wrong. The whole pimp culture is digusting and wrong. It is beyond me how middle class house wives (or any woman for that matter) could be sucked into this, are you afraid someone is going to think your a biggot because you object to women being brutalized? Or are you just one of those sad individuals that secretly desire to be treated that way?Please someone explain this to me, it's like someone saying night is day. I just don't get it. :sad2:
 
I have one word for ya Spoon full of Sugar: PARAGRAPHS.

Yikes, I can't even read your post without my eyes crossing.
 
Did that post make sense to anyone? I tried,I really tried
 
Ah yes,the glorious 50's..when it was legal to rape your wife..Incest was never talked about . Child molesters were never reported and missing kids never made anything but the local news.
Hey in the 80's when I was young I was allowed to do much more than my kids do now. My mother thought it was safer.It's probably safer now than it was then,because people are aware of them.. we didn't have the worldwide web.People dissapeared and no one even heard about it..There were no amber alerts,no stalking laws..
Ahhhh The good old days
 
JennyMominRI said:
Did that post make sense to anyone? I tried,I really tried


Not to me.

It's so funny. It's a freakin' work of fiction that takes place in the 60's and people are getting all worked up all over the decline of our moral society. They just don't get it. lol :rotfl:
 
JennyMominRI said:
Did that post make sense to anyone? I tried,I really tried

No, not really. I tried, too, though this poster has been spreading so much "sugar" lately that I've pretty much taken to ignoring him/her.

What I did get, though, is that we have a National Man Boy Love Association. Good to know... :rolleyes2
 












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