Crash beats Brokeback!!! Yay!

[hubby_of_newtodisney]

I'm glad that Brokeback Mtn didn't win Best Picture! It's basically a picture about cheating and living a lie. Imagine that each of these cowboys was going to the mountains to see their FEMALE lovers that they each truly love, while being married to other women and living a lie. These would not make for sympathetic characters.

A courageous man would either choose to stay loyal to his wife, or be honest with her and go to his true love!

I cannot be the only one that feels this way about the plot.

Crash, on the other hand is a great story about the good and bad within each of us. (At least that's what I got out of the movie).

I hope that this is not too contraversial for this board!

 

[txSleepingBeauty]

wow, I've got to disagree with you on that. I found Brokeback to be a powerful movie about falling and love and what it does to a person to deny that love for so long....in an ideal world yes they would have sucked it up and told their wives, in 1960's rural america- no way....

 

[theSurlyMermaid]

Yes, a movie about how we are all racists deep down and maybe all the stereotypes are right anyway has so much in the way of moral highground.

And it's a terrible movie to boot. Film students could do better.

This was the worst Oscar decision in the history of Oscars. Everyone involved should be ashamed.

 

[pearlieq]

Crash, on the other hand is a great story about the good and bad within each of us. (At least that's what I got out of the movie).

Huh? Did you actually see Brokeback Mountain? Because I kind of got about the same theme of it. These were imperfect people making tragically bad choices. But there was still good in them, and I think they both made an honest effort to do what they thought was "right".

Also, I don't think your idea about heterosexual infedility making for unsympathetic characters holds water. Remember Bridges of Madison County???

 

[SeattleRedBear]

I'm glad that Brokeback Mtn didn't win Best Picture! It's basically a picture about cheating and living a lie. Imagine that each of these cowboys was going to the mountains to see their FEMALE lovers that they each truly love, while being married to other women and living a lie. These would not make for sympathetic characters.

As I said on one of the other threads, I think that's one of the points. 40 years ago, there was no choice. If you didn't live the lie, at some point you'd get killed. Most likely they wouldn't get killed because they were cheating on their wives, but because they were that horrible, unmentionable "thing" that no one could talk about or admit to. DH refuses to see the movie because he doesn't want to "see a movie about a couple closet cases" when in reality it cuts too close to home for him. These men are human and I think the movie's about seeing them cope the best they can with a situation which is emotionally untenable.

 

[Caradana]

The eternal conflict between "who we really are" versus "what we present to the world"
...
anyone who thinks he's immune is fooling himself
That's the resonance behind Brokeback Mountain.

 

[SamRoc]

Well whatever the arguement is, "Crash" was named best picture of the year, the academy voted for it and I am really glad they did. I loved the film.

 

[3princesses4us]

I also liked Crash. I was glad it won too.

 

[janette]

The eternal conflict between "who we really are" versus "what we present to the world"
...
anyone who thinks he's immune is fooling himself
That's the resonance behind Brokeback Mountain.

Very well put and captures the essence of the movie. Really about being something you aren't and how many people are hurt in the process.

I liked Crash but I didn't come away with a the same WOW that Brokeback invoked.

 

[va32h]

Imagine that each of these cowboys was going to the mountains to see their FEMALE lovers that they each truly love, while being married to other women and living a lie.

But they wouldn't have had FEMALE lovers, because if the characters were heterosexual, they could have been content in their marriages.

I haven't seen Crash, so I can't debate the merits of that film, but just because a movie has a plot or subject matter that is "wrong" - i.e. infidelity, doesn't mean it can't be a well done film.

The merits of a movie shouldn't be based entirely upon the subject matter.

 

[Planogirl]

I find this argument against Brokeback Mountain strange. The whole point was forbidden love and lack of choices IMO i.e. who they really were and pretended to be as Dana said. During that time, a gay man couldn't just go to his "true love". In today's world, it's still difficult particularly for someone in a stereotypical macho world like cowboys.

 

[janette]

I agree PG, the story was set in rural Wyoming. The area where Matthew Shepard died in 1998, because he was openly gay. When I did a quick search to see what year he died the first website that came up was this http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/shepard_monument.html No things aren't that much different.

I don't know that the character that played Ennis would have been any different today. He'd have to accept his sexuality himself and I don't see that in the person portrayed in the film.

 

[Beca]

I got a really different story from Brokeback than the OP....I thought it was about the repression of society, and the extreme means that we go to to "fit in" in all areas of our life....even lying to ourselves. I thought it was a tragic story about finding (or, not finding) acceptance for differences...especially the differences in ourselves.



Beca

 

[LoraJ]

I got a really different story from Brokeback than the OP....I thought it was about the repression of society, and the extreme means that we go to to "fit in" in all areas of our life....even lying to ourselves. I thought it was a tragic story about finding (or, not finding) acceptance for differences...especially the differences in ourselves.



Beca

Well, just a guess, I don't think the OP even saw the movie.

 

[Chattyaholic]

I was very glad "Crash" won Best Picture over "Brokeback Mountain."

I don't condone the gay lifestyle at all and for "Brokeback" to win Best Picture would be further proof of the decline in morals and values in people. I know more and more people are accepting the gay lifestyle, but just because people are accepting it doesn't make it right.

I was very disappointed the "pimping" song won for best song, the other two up for the award were MUCH better, especially Dolly's. It is very sad to see a song like that win an Oscar.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Another eye opening thread on the DIS.

So let me check the scorecard:
Racists are better than homosexuals.
And a transgender is better than a pimp.

Okey dokey then.

So homosexuals and pimps are responsible for our moral decline?

I never knew the Academy Awards were so telling.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

I wasn't overly impressed with Crash. I've seen better movies that deal with the racism issue. The Human Stain comes to mind. I feel Crash could have dug a lot deeper than it did BUT from what was nominated this year I was hoping for Brokeback or Crash to win so I wasn't disappointed or anything. I was however, disappointed with the Best Actor win. Not that I don't think Philip Seymour Hoffman deserved the award, but personally I was rooting for Terrence Howard.

 

[LukenDC]

I agree with you that the consequences for married gay men and their wives is tragic. Society, through its discrimination and lack of understanding, pressures these men to ignore their feelings and to enter a life of deceit to oneself and others. Not all gay people live in the progressive urban areas of our nation, nor should they. People coming out face a real threat of violence and intimidation, usually with religion as the justification.

Hopefully Brokeback Mountain will cause people to examine how society treats its minorities and how discrimination can have wide ranging consequences.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

Another eye opening thread on the DIS.

So let me check the scorecard:
Racists are better than homosexuals.
And a transgender is better than a pimp.

Okey dokey then.

So homosexuals and pimps are responsible for our moral decline?

I never knew the Academy Awards were so telling.

I really wanted to reply to that too but thanks for saying something I happened to think Hustle & Flow was an amazing film worthy of many awards and I couldn't help but be happy for Three Six Mafia when their song won for best song from a movie.

 

[Bob Slydell]

So homosexuals and pimps are responsible for our moral decline?

No no no -- giving homosexuals and pimps awards is the true reason for the moral decline.