COVID super spreading family we know **Our friend has passed away**

[b2k1121]

It's also super easy to say that when you have a bazillion dollars and lockdown won't affect you a bit.

It's also super easy to make this post when you are responding to literal fake news.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I know you didn't ask me, but in reference to tracing, I think the contact tracing ship sailed a long time ago in the U.S. We just have too much of a raging pandemic to do that at this point. And here in NJ, literally 72% of all people who are contacted are not complying with the tracers. My sister and her husband both have Covid now. They've been careful, wearing masks anywhere that they went. They did partake in some outdoor dining recently, but did that throughout the summer as well and didn't get it. But they have no idea where they got it. There's just a ton of virus in most U.S. communities right now.

Yes I know

There is like the poster from NY discussing their area where stricter contact tracing than most places around haven't shown transmission there. It's why I asked what was occurring in the poster's area as different areas might be seeing different things.

So the plan proposed by the prior poster is backed by what? Is transmission seen to be running rampant in Walmart such that the store should be pick up only? Would the blocking off of what is deemed non-essential (which varies based on whoever is deciding that day) lead to a reduction in cases such that the measure was deemed a success and therefore should be replicated? Or at this point is that putting an undue burden on people due to a perceived threat? Arbitrarily deciding what was in the poster's plan (which to be fair isn't just only their idea/viewpoint it's one shared by others) isn't what we should be doing. Things need to be backed by science or else you're running the risk of doing something just cuz and it resulting in negative effects without cause.

I am sorry to hear about your sister and her husband, I remember you just talking about get togethers and having not gotten COVID yet. As I said then and still feel now I wouldn't wish anyone to be positive. Well wishes for your family on a speedy recovery

 

[Jrb1979]

Yes I know

There is like the poster from NY discussing their area where stricter contact tracing than most places around haven't shown transmission there. It's why I asked what was occurring in the poster's area as different areas might be seeing different things.

So the plan proposed by the prior poster is backed by what? Is transmission seen to be running rampant in Walmart such that the store should be pick up only? Would the blocking off of what is deemed non-essential (which varies based on whoever is deciding that day) lead to a reduction in cases such that the measure was deemed a success and therefore should be replicated? Or at this point is that putting an undue burden on people due to a perceived threat? Arbitrarily deciding what was in the poster's plan (which to be fair isn't just only their idea/viewpoint it's one shared by others) isn't what we should be doing. Things need to be backed by science or else you're running the risk of doing something just cuz and it resulting in negative effects without cause.

Which is why I think going forward til the vaccine is widely available they should follow the Stanford University study. Let all businesses be open at 20% capacity. From the study its showed it to be the sweet spot were spread is at the lowest

 

[dvcgirl67]

Yes I know

There is like the poster from NY discussing their area where stricter contact tracing than most places around haven't shown transmission there. It's why I asked what was occurring in the poster's area as different areas might be seeing different things.

So the plan proposed by the prior poster is backed by what? Is transmission seen to be running rampant in Walmart such that the store should be pick up only? Would the blocking off of what is deemed non-essential (which varies based on whoever is deciding that day) lead to a reduction in cases such that the measure was deemed a success and therefore should be replicated? Or at this point is that putting an undue burden on people due to a perceived threat? Arbitrarily deciding what was in the poster's plan (which to be fair isn't just only their idea/viewpoint it's one shared by others) isn't what we should be doing. Things need to be backed by science or else you're running the risk of doing something just cuz and it resulting in negative effects without cause.

I am sorry to hear about your sister and her husband, I remember you just talking about get togethers and having not gotten COVID yet. As I said then and still feel now I wouldn't wish anyone to be positive. Well wishes for your family on a speedy recovery

I hear you....I just think we're at the point where we have to get through this the best we can. In NY, Cuomo shut down indoor dining again in the city without really much evidence that it is the cause of cases going up. They were only at 25% capacity. So I guess it was due to the CDC classifying it as high risk and warned anyone over 65 or with pre-exisiting conditions to avoid any indoor space with unmasked patrons. It felt to me like they made that call simply to do something....anything. I really think it's just impossible at this point. If you don't want to get Covid at this point, avoid people if you can. That's not possible for everyone...I know that.

And yes, I'm the one that mentioned that so far, my family had avoided Covid....until Monday, when I talked to my sister. She's feeling better, as far as fatigue/chills/headache....but today woke up with no sense of taste or smell. Her husband isn't feeling so great...fever, chills, nausea, fatigue....he's pretty miserable. I dropped off a pulse ox there so they'd have it. He has asthma is overweight (but not obese). So, they're both isolated in different rooms now, my teenager niece and nephew are downstairs waiting for their PCR test results. We're dropping off food at the door....and keeping tabs on them. My sister takes Humira for Rheumatoid Arthritis, so it's possible that she got it, even with mask...and then passed it to her husband. But there's no way of knowing. Thanks for the well wishes.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Which is why I think going forward til the vaccine is widely available they should follow the Stanford University study. Let all businesses be open at 20% capacity. From the study its showed it to be the sweet spot were spread is at the lowest

I think that could work in some places probably not others.

Like for instance when Walmart was limiting (which I believe in some places at least they are back to that) it was "five customers for each 1,000 square feet at a given time, roughly 20 percent of a store’s capacity." But my store NEVER hit that threshold. It's a large store. Now if you closed down multiple Walmart locations in my area (of which there are many) you may end up having capacity met because fewer locations means less spreading out of people. And if you arbitrarily decided what was essential and not essential you'd also run into that problem. Less room to move means more people in a confined space.

And FWIW I know a lot of people say "just buy online pick up in store" unfortunately not everything is on a store's web inventory. Tuesday I went to Walmart to buy my husband some slippers for Christmas. One of the slippers I bought I could have bought online pick up in store the other one I'm searching and it's not pulling up. I was in and out of the store in about 7 minutes according to the receipt and what time I remember looking at the clock in my car so that includes the time to walk from the parking spot, to the back of the store where the slippers were at, look over them, find his size and check out in the self-check out. But I do buy online pick up in store often it's just there are limitations to that and time constraints.

20% on the restaurant front is one of the hardest things to do. 20% usually means a place can't be open and the business goes belly up at least after a prolonged time of that. Some of the really small businesses here had such issues with that. But that one is really "between a rock and hard place" ya know? Not an easy answer on that. Of course not every store is big in size like Walmart.

We went to an outdoor indie market this past weekend. It was 200 people admittance-wise but that included the vendors and staff (full capacity pre-COVID would have been 2,500). It wasn't big or anything but masks were required at all times. Entry was time oriented (like our time slot was 4-5pm we could enter between that time). You had to complete a health survey on your phone for the purposes of contact tracing. There were 3 food trucks located outside the vendor area; food and drink was not allowed inside the market area. It was nice to do that when we missed our normal Holiday Boutique that has hundreds of vendors in a convention center and simply was not doable in COVID era.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Which is why I think going forward til the vaccine is widely available they should follow the Stanford University study. Let all businesses be open at 20% capacity. From the study its showed it to be the sweet spot were spread is at the lowest

I just don't think most businesses will follow a rule like that at this point. There are supposed to be restrictions on retail capacity here in NJ. Early on in the pandemic when non-essential stores re-opened there were lines of people outside of those shops and grocery stores waiting to get in. Now, there are more people out and about, and the stores are crowded. Yes, people are wearing masks, but they're getting into each other's space way more now than back in the spring.

Regardless of what the government is telling businesses to do, consumers are avoiding certain parts of the economy to a greater degree. We're at 25% indoor dining capacity, and the restaurants are struggling more and more now that you can't eat outdoors. One of our favorite restaurants put up a huge tent when outdoor dining was approved back in the summer. They took it down a few weeks back, I guess figuring they'd try and get through on 25% indoor and take-out. Well, it went back up two days ago...and it just felt like a move made out of desperation. There are just no easy answers at this point I fear.

 

[Farro]

Hey Covid experts.

Micky's (my guy) dad lives in Arizona. He's 81 and we just found out he tested positive for Covid. He has no idea how he got exposed. Always masked, they stay home.

So he tested positive 3 days ago but currently has no symptoms (no fever, anything). We asked why he got tested and he said just because he wanted to. He called his doctor today who said to stay home as long as no symptoms.

Does that sound right, even at his age, not to go see doctor? I guess so? I suppose it's good he hasn't had any symptoms at all?

 

[mjkacmom]

Hey Covid experts.

Micky's (my guy) dad lives in Arizona. He's 81 and we just found out he tested positive for Covid. He has no idea how he got exposed. Always masked, they stay home.

So he tested positive 3 days ago but currently has no symptoms (no fever, anything). We asked why he got tested and he said just because he wanted to. He called his doctor today who said to stay home as long as no symptoms.

Does that sound right, even at his age, not to go see doctor? I guess so? I suppose it's good he hasn't had any symptoms at all?

Yes, stay home.

 

[Farro]

Yes, stay home.

Okay. We are just nervous for him, but he has absolutely no symptoms.

Hopefully stays that way.

 

[SaintsManiac]

Hey Covid experts.

Micky's (my guy) dad lives in Arizona. He's 81 and we just found out he tested positive for Covid. He has no idea how he got exposed. Always masked, they stay home.

So he tested positive 3 days ago but currently has no symptoms (no fever, anything). We asked why he got tested and he said just because he wanted to. He called his doctor today who said to stay home as long as no symptoms.

Does that sound right, even at his age, not to go see doctor? I guess so? I suppose it's good he hasn't had any symptoms at all?

Any chance you could send him an oximeter via Amazon? That way he can monitor and if it gets too low he can seek medical treatment. I ordered one with my FSA card yesterday and it already shipped.

 

[Farro]

Any chance you could send him an oximeter via Amazon? That way he can monitor and if it gets too low he can seek medical treatment. I ordered one with my FSA card yesterday and it already shipped.

He may have one. We will ask.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Hey Covid experts.

Micky's (my guy) dad lives in Arizona. He's 81 and we just found out he tested positive for Covid. He has no idea how he got exposed. Always masked, they stay home.

So he tested positive 3 days ago but currently has no symptoms (no fever, anything). We asked why he got tested and he said just because he wanted to. He called his doctor today who said to stay home as long as no symptoms.

Does that sound right, even at his age, not to go see doctor? I guess so? I suppose it's good he hasn't had any symptoms at all?

Not an expert, but I'll chime in based on what I know from relatives testing positive this week in NJ.

Did he get a rapid test or the PCR test? Here in my area, they won't currently do a PCR test if you are asymptomatic. Is there a possibility that it was a false positive (if it was a rapid test only).

If he has no symptoms, I don't think there's any reason to see out medical care. I don't think they'd do anything for him since he has no symptoms. I'd make sure he knew to contact a doctor immediately if the slightest symptom popped up.

My sister and brother-in-law both were symptomatic and consulted with a doctor when their tests were positive. They were told to treat symptoms with advil. My brother-in-law developed nausea/vomiting today and so the doc called in a script for that. And we got a pulse-ox to them because my BIL has asthma...just so they could monitor oxygen if he becomes short of breath.

So other than keeping a close eye on your partner's Dad....I don't think there's much more to do right now.

 

[Farro]

Not an expert, but I'll chime in based on what I know from relatives testing positive this week in NJ.

Did he get a rapid test or the PCR test? Here in my area, they won't currently do a PCR test if you are asymptomatic. Is there a possibility that it was a false positive (if it was a rapid test only).

If he has no symptoms, I don't think there's any reason to see out medical care. I don't think they'd do anything for him since he has no symptoms. I'd make sure he knew to contact a doctor immediately if the slightest symptom popped up.

My sister and brother-in-law both were symptomatic and consulted with a doctor when their tests were positive. They were told to treat symptoms with advil. My brother-in-law developed nausea/vomiting today and so the doc called in a script for that. And we got a pulse-ox to them because my BIL has asthma...just so they could monitor oxygen if he becomes short of breath.

So other than keeping a close eye on your partner's Dad....I don't think there's much more to do right now.

It was a drive thru, but took 3 days to get result. Does a rapid test take that long?

They emailed results.

 

[dvcgirl67]

It was a drive thru, but took 3 days to get result. Does a rapid test take that long?

No, he got the PCR test. My sister went to get tested with symptoms...and asked them to do both. By the time she got home they called to say the rapid test was positive....the PCR confirmed it 3 days later. But she was symptomatic.

So, he's likely positive, and a lucky man at 81 to be asymptomatic. Will hope/pray he stays that way!

 

[Farro]

No, he got the PCR test. My sister went to get tested with symptoms...and asked them to do both. By the time she got home they called to say the rapid test was positive....the PCR confirmed it 3 days later. But she was symptomatic.

So, he's likely positive, and a lucky man at 81 to be asymptomatic. Will hope/pray he stays that way!

Thank you!!!

 

[Dan Murphy]

Thanks for the good thoughts/prayers.

His daughter (one of those with the virus) said today he was somewhat confused after waking up. He is on his second day of Remdesivir. Holding his own.

Our friend called me today. He is in ICU, tough case of COVID pneumonia. He says he hopes it does not come to a ventilator. He said his arterial blood gas is low, but stable.

He said he is scared.

Thanks for your continued good thoughts and prayers.

 

[Dan Murphy]

Hey Covid experts.

Micky's (my guy) dad lives in Arizona. He's 81 and we just found out he tested positive for Covid. He has no idea how he got exposed. Always masked, they stay home.

So he tested positive 3 days ago but currently has no symptoms (no fever, anything). We asked why he got tested and he said just because he wanted to. He called his doctor today who said to stay home as long as no symptoms.

Does that sound right, even at his age, not to go see doctor? I guess so? I suppose it's good he hasn't had any symptoms at all?

If asymptomatic, I would say stay home also. 's

 

[dvcgirl67]

Our friend called me today. He is in ICU, tough case of COVID pneumonia. He says he hopes it does not come to a ventilator. He said his arterial blood gas is low, but stable.

He said he is scared.

Thanks for your continued good thoughts and prayers.

Will keep sending prayers and healing thoughts toward your friend Dan. Hoping he can continue to fight!

 

[Kitty 34]

It was a drive thru, but took 3 days to get result. Does a rapid test take that long?

They emailed results.

My son and DIL did the rapid test a couple of weeks ago. They knew within hours.

Dan, sending prayers for your friend. As you know and other DISers, my sister and BIL have been dealing with Covid since Dec 2. She just called us this morning to say she and her DH are finally feeling better so let's, hope, Dan......your friend can spread that kind of news soon.

 

[mom2rtk]

Hey Covid experts.

Micky's (my guy) dad lives in Arizona. He's 81 and we just found out he tested positive for Covid. He has no idea how he got exposed. Always masked, they stay home.

So he tested positive 3 days ago but currently has no symptoms (no fever, anything). We asked why he got tested and he said just because he wanted to. He called his doctor today who said to stay home as long as no symptoms.

Does that sound right, even at his age, not to go see doctor? I guess so? I suppose it's good he hasn't had any symptoms at all?

Prayers for an uneventful and quick recovery for him.