Country singer Mindy McCready died

[violetrose]

Such a sad outcome, but it seems inevitable. She suffered with depression and dependency issues for so long. With the death of her fiancee, I guess she felt that there was just no reason to go on. Probably felt that her sons would be better off without her.

My thoughts exactly. It's all very sad. I hope her sons are able to go on and lead normal lives with people equipped to care for them.

 

[momto2girls]

How very sad. She must have felt so hopeless. I hope that she has found peace now.

 

[alex9179]

No more personally than anyone else on this thread regurgitating things that have been put out in the press throughout the years about her. Which makes me just as entitled to my opinion as you are yours. There is no right or wrong opinion here. It's a discussion board, and we are doing just that. Again, I feel very sorry and sad for her children. Her, not so much, I can't feel sorry for someone who attempted to commit suicide by overdosing on pills WHILE she was pregnant. That is selfish. Could you imagine if she were successful in that particular attempt? She would have not only taken her life, but that of her unborn son. I wonder if the "I feel sorry for her troubled soul" people would still feel same had that been the situation. I'm thinking not.

In regards to the part I bolded....yes, I would still feel sorry for her. My personal opinion is that she was a very sick, desperate, troubled woman, which is why she did what she did back then and yesterday. I don't agree with what she did (either time) but I can still feel compassion for her.

Same here. I don't expect an irrational person to make rational decisions. I'd just try to do what I could for the child(ren) and work to get them to a safe place.

 

[LiveYourLife]

I agree with all, it is such a tragedy for her two boys and I hope they are placed in a loving, stable environment.

I do have to question why someone who was so fragile, was released after only two days of a mental health and alcohol abuse/dependency evaluation, especially with her two previous failed suicide attempts, arrests, and trying to kill her former Ex (the one who allegedly abused her). I also have to question why her Father felt it was ok to leave her alone so soon after her release.

Her boys were removed from her care on Feb 9th, this was ordered by a judge. I guess I am "ignorant" on State laws surrounding child placement, however, I've seen cases where children were temporarily placed with a family member rather quickly. Makes me wonder if Mindy's parents were not suitable enough for temporary placement of her boys with them.

 

[alex9179]

I agree with all, it is such a tragedy for her two boys and I hope they are placed in a loving, stable environment.

I do have to question why someone who was so fragile, was released after only two days of a mental health and alcohol abuse/dependency evaluation, especially with her two previous failed suicide attempts, arrests, and trying to kill her former Ex (the one who allegedly abused her). I also have to question why her Father felt it was ok to leave her alone so soon after her release.

Her boys were removed from her care on Feb 9th, this was ordered by a judge. I guess I am "ignorant" on State laws surrounding child placement, however, I've seen cases where children were temporarily placed with a family member rather quickly. Makes me wonder if Mindy's parents were not suitable enough for temporary placement of her boys with them.

Was her treatment part of a court order/sentence? I haven't read any information about it. If not, then the facility couldn't hold her against her will.

As to the relative placement, the parent has to agree to it and give the state permission (at least where I am). Otherwise, the kids are placed in a licensed foster home. Procedures vary by state, though.

 

[Starbrite]

Is she the one that was abused by her boyfriend? I remember watching a special/reenactment a few years back about a country singer who was beaten so badly her face was unrecognizable.

 

[LiveYourLife]

Was her treatment part of a court order/sentence? I haven't read any information about it. If not, then the facility couldn't hold her against her will.

As to the relative placement, the parent has to agree to it and give the state permission (at least where I am). Otherwise, the kids are placed in a licensed foster home. Procedures vary by state, though.

Go to tmz.com who are relatively accurate in their information sharing. I don't think I've ever seen them have to retract information, as they are pretty good about fact checking.

I'd be interested to know what the Arkansas State procedures are in regards to this type of situation. Maybe since they were removed from Mindy's care on 2/9, Mindy did not want them placed with a relative? However, how does a judge allow someone in that state of mind allow dictation of where their children are placed, especially when that person was ordered for an evaluation of their mental health and alcohol abuse.

 

[alex9179]

Go to tmz.com who are relatively accurate in their information sharing. I don't think I've ever seen them have to retract information, as they are pretty good about fact checking.

I'd be interested to know what the Arkansas State procedures are in regards to this type of situation. Maybe since they were removed from Mindy's care on 2/9, Mindy did not want them placed with a relative? However, how does a judge allow someone in that state of mind allow dictation of where their children are placed, especially when that person was ordered for an evaluation of their mental health and alcohol abuse.

It's her right as a parent, even though her judgement had been called into question. The courts are very careful when Constitutional rights are involved. Her rights would have to be terminated in order for the court to override her objections. Or, the family household seeking custody could become licensed but that's a long process and wouldn't guarantee placement.

Edit: as far as her commitment, she could have been taken there by a relative/friend who feared for her. The facility wouldn't be able to hold her past 48 hrs unless she agreed to stay. The article was vague about the circumstances, so I'm just guessing.

 

[LiveYourLife]

It's her right as a parent, even though her judgement had been called into question. The courts are very careful when Constitutional rights are involved. Her rights would have to be terminated in order for the court to override her objections. Or, the family household seeking custody could become licensed but that's a long process and wouldn't guarantee placement.

Which therein lies the problem. Someone with her history of mental instability, drug and alcohol abuse, her parental rights should have been terminated a looooong time ago, with the first incident. I feel the same way towards convicted criminals - once you do the crime, your Constitutional rights go out the window. I'm sorry if this rubs people the wrong way, but for me (individual me) this is my opinion. There are stories like this in the news time and time again. I am thankful her children were not harmed as a result of her Constitutional rights as a parent.

 

[alex9179]

It can be frustrating, but moving to make a child an orphan shouldn't be the first course of action. CPS's defining job is to try to help a family remain whole. I'm sure the families that were able to overcome their problems and stay together were grateful that they were given the opportunity to make changes.

Also, the court and CPS wouldn't be allowed to contact or talk to anyone outside of the family case due to confidentiality. So they wouldn't be able to place the kids with relatives without express permission given.

 

[LiveYourLife]

Model parent at its finest:

8/2004: Arrested in TN for using a fake prescription to buy OxyContin, to which she plead guilty.

5/2005: Arrested for DUI, driving with a suspended license. Found non-guilty of the DUI, but guilty of driving with the suspended license.

7/2005: Charged in Arizona with identity theft, unlawful use of transportation, unlawful imprisonment and hindering prosecution.

8/2005: Arrest warrant issued for probation violation when she left TN w/out her PO's permission. Also charged with failure to report to her PO for the entire month of 7/2005.

7/2007: Arrested in Ft.Myers, FL for battery and resisting arrest for a fight with her Mom.

7/2007: 1week after the above arrest, she was taken into custody at the Nashville Int'l Airport for probation violation.

9/2007: Sentenced to 1 year in prison, plus rec'd 2 more years of probation.

12/2007: Released from jail.

6/2008: Arrested in TN for violation of probation from 9/2007.

9/2008: Served 30 days in jail for the above probation violation.

Let's not forget about her multiple suicide attempts, overdoses, and her affair with Roger Clemens.

She was a criminal and a drug addict.

As I've mentioned before this is tragic for her Children, and I hope they are able to grow up healthy, happy, well-adjusted boys.

 

[LiveYourLife]

Oh, and I truly believe that if she wanted real help for her issues and to get better, she would have done so OUT of the spotlight and not on a reality television show.

Add fame monger to the list, IMO.

 

[Octoberbride03]

It's her right as a parent, even though her judgement had been called into question. The courts are very careful when Constitutional rights are involved. Her rights would have to be terminated in order for the court to override her objections. Or, the family household seeking custody could become licensed but that's a long process and wouldn't guarantee placement.

Edit: as far as her commitment, she could have been taken there by a relative/friend who feared for her. The facility wouldn't be able to hold her past 48 hrs unless she agreed to stay. The article was vague about the circumstances, so I'm just guessing.

That's just it! The article i read about her commitment was posted on Thursday or Friday BEFORE she died. Her father went to court and got a judge to sign off on a 3 week stay. How on earth did that turn into 1 day

 

[alex9179]

Oh, and I truly believe that if she wanted real help for her issues and to get better, she would have done so OUT of the spotlight and not on a reality television show.

Add fame monger to the list, IMO.

Agreed. I'm not defending her actions, she was a mess. Just talking about the law. There are very specific criteria that has to be met in order for the state to move to terminate rights. These laws are in place for all of us so, by extension, people with serious issues get that protection, too.

 

[LiveYourLife]

Agreed. I'm not defending her actions, she was a mess. Just talking about the law. There are very specific criteria that has to be met in order for the state to move to terminate rights. These laws are in place for all of us so, by extension, people with serious issues get that protection, too.

Oh, I know you're not defending her actions. It needs to be put out there to show those that she was not just someone with a mental illness. She was, by definition of law, a criminal and a drug addict. That is why my sympathies do not extend beyond her two children (and the poor dog) to her.

 

[alex9179]

Oh, I know you're not defending her actions. It needs to be put out there to show those that she was not just someone with a mental illness. She was, by definition of law, a criminal and a drug addict. That is why my sympathies do not extend beyond her two children (and the poor dog) to her.

Ah. I see that list pointing directly at a serious imbalance. I guess it's a case of the chicken or the egg. I have to admit that my compassion for her is directly related to my experience with my friend and a relative who started to head down the McCready road and lost her kids as a consequence. I hold them responsible for their actions, yet grieve for them at the same time.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

A report about the dog:

But according to Mindy's close friend and private investigator Danno Hanks, the country singer's decision to take her dog's life was only fueled by her love for Wilson.

"I'll tell you why she would have done it—if she did it—why she would have done it is...her discussions about leaving her life wasn't that she wanted to end her life but she wanted to join David and David loved that dog and so she'd be taking the dog with her," Hanks told E! News.

http://www.eonline.com/news/389691/...-her-dog?cmpid=par-121113-outbrain-paid-links

 

[handinpocket]

Thank goodness her kids had been taken away.

 

[Deb in IA]

A report about the dog:



http://www.eonline.com/news/389691/...-her-dog?cmpid=par-121113-outbrain-paid-links

Why the dog?

Well, we are not exactly talking about a rational person here, now, are we?

 

[DVC-Don]

Why the dog?

Well, we are not exactly talking about a rational person here, now, are we?

I was in law enforcement and saw many suicides and killing the family dog is common. I think the person does not want the pet to lap up blood, which I've also seen.