Controversial topics board....did I do something wrong?

[DCLMP]

Agreed. I joined that board in the hope of in-depth discussion of topics not allowed on the CB. What I found was an echo chamber for a small group of posters. There have been a few posts that provided in-depth information but those have been few and far between. It's honestly kinda boring as you read the same rants, name calling and platitudes over and over. I look at it as a failed experiment.

I enjoyed the interesting debates on the CB board. They were mostly civil because they had to be, but nonetheless they would get shut down.
Hence, the controversial board was born. It's really is a failed experiment. It's been taken over by as one poster put a group of "like minded people". Every thread is a rant against one person. There are no interesting debates over there. Anyone that doesn't agree with them gets drowned out. I'm guessing it's so one-sided now is because people like yourself have given up.

 

[soccerdad72]

I've driven cars where the idle was so bad I had to put it in neutral to keep it from stalling out. On my really old beater (back in the day), I might have to push the gas a bit too. I know, that's a bad example, but i've been there.

My new car does do the auto-stop at red lights, well, sometimes anyway. I swear sometimes it decides to and sometimes it doesn't. I hate it when it does it, but the arrow is already on, so I am going to go imminently. It shows me how much gas I've saved, and over a about 16 months, it's still something like .02 gallons.

When driving a manual car, if I'm on a slight uphill slope, I'll usually just keep it in 1st gear and tap the gas slightly to stay in place, so in that case, I'm not using the brake pedal.

My current car, which we just got a few months ago, also has a weird auto-stop mind of it's own. I have no idea why it decided to do it and why it doesn't do it other times. I probably will just end up turning it off at some point.

ETA: As far as thread veers go - this one's pretty high up there, BTW

 

[lanejudy]

it's more than start -stop.. most who drive auto, dont put the car in neutral when at a light.. they put the foot on the gas while engine is running not just idle.I am probably using the wrong terms here.

I understand what you are saying.

You must be. I personally put my foot on the brake while stopped. Not sure why someone would have their foot on the gas.

After applying the brake pedal to stop, you can "balance" the clutch and the gas to remain idle rather than using the brake. It's particularly helpful if stopping going uphill.

 

[BrianL]

When driving a manual car, if I'm on a slight uphill slope, I'll usually just keep it in 1st gear and tap the gas slightly to stay in place, so in that case, I'm not using the brake pedal.

My current car, which we just got a few months ago, also has a weird auto-stop mind of it's own. I have no idea why it decided to do it and why it doesn't do it other times. I probably will just end up turning it off at some point.

ETA: As far as thread veers go - this one's pretty high up there, BTW

Well, yeah, in a manual that's different. These were automatics.

Yeah, I can turn it off, but it always turns back on, so I just live with it. I have learned that If I don't press the brake deeply, it won't allow it, so I have some level of control. A little light on my dashboard tells me.

 

[_19disnA]

Start/stop feature seems to work differently on each brand of car. On mine, it is very quiet when in operation and you barely notice the engine restarting. I think the main reason for the feature is to provide slightly better fuel economy in stop/go city driving. I have ridden in other brands of cars and it is very noticeable when the engine restarts (car will shudder/shake). Mine allows for that feature to be turned off if for some reason it bothers you and you don't want to make use of it.

 

[TippyThomas]

The start-stop feature the other poster's talking about (I think) is a newer feature on some cars where the engine basically turns off at stop lights and then kicks back on when the driver takes their foot off the brakes.

I have that feature on my car and had to turn it off. It was so annoying.

 

[hertamaniac]

The start-stop feature the other poster's talking about (I think) is a newer feature on some cars where the engine basically turns off at stop lights and then kicks back on when the driver takes their foot off the brakes.

Correct. It turns off the engine when the vehicle is stopped IF the battery has enough capacity to run the electronics/heat/AC/etc. for a period of time. Once the battery gets depleted to a minimum "a safe, targeted value of enough capacity to restart the engine", it restarts the engine. It relies on an overdesigned battery and starter to, in theory, keep cycling for many years.

Me? My vehicle allows me to, and I do, disable the feature as I don't want my vehicle cycling at all.

 

[DCLMP]

Start/stop feature seems to work differently on each brand of car. On mine, it is very quiet when in operation and you barely notice the engine restarting. I think the main reason for the feature is to provide slightly better fuel economy in stop/go city driving. I have ridden in other brands of cars and it is very noticeable when the engine restarts (car will shudder/shake). Mine allows for that feature to be turned off if for some reason it bothers you and you don't want to make use of it.

Does it save you money on fuel? We will be buying a new car in the next year and I drive a lot for work.

 

[TippyThomas]

Does it save you money on fuel? We will be buying a new car in the next year and I drive a lot for work.

I worried about the life span of my starter. Not sure the fuel savings would be the same.

 

[tvguy]

Does it save you money on fuel? We will be buying a new car in the next year and I drive a lot for work.

It must because mail delivery trucks have shutdown when they stop for almost 40 years. Can you imagine how many times they start and stop every day?

 

[Jangles]

I enjoyed the interesting debates on the CB board. They were mostly civil because they had to be, but nonetheless they would get shut down.
Hence, the controversial board was born. It's really is a failed experiment. It's been taken over by as one poster put a group of "like minded people". Every thread is a rant against one person. There are no interesting debates over there. Anyone that doesn't agree with them gets drowned out. I'm guessing it's so one-sided now is because people like yourself have given up.

That’s not true and, with respect, it is a somewhat blinkered view. It isn’t just an American political board. Posters from all over the world are contributing and discussing all manner of topics. If one finds them interesting one reads and perhaps contributes; if not one scrolls on by.
we are definitely not.

 

[Jangles]

Correct. It turns off the engine when the vehicle is stopped IF the battery has enough capacity to run the electronics/heat/AC/etc. for a period of time. Once the battery gets depleted to a minimum "a safe, targeted value of enough capacity to restart the engine", it restarts the engine. It relies on an overdesigned battery and starter to, in theory, keep cycling for many years.

Me? My vehicle allows me to, and I do, disable the feature as I don't want my vehicle cycling at all.

Well, one learns something new every day. Thank you.

 

[hertamaniac]

Well, one learns something new every day. Thank you.

No problem and you're welcome. I retired from the battery industry where we worked on start-stop technology in its infancy. In some commercial applications, the fuel savings can be decent. But the thrust for most everyone else, is the emissions compliance. I'm just not a fan of mechanically cycling my starter regardless of the touted life expectancy from the manufacturers.

 

[_19disnA]

Does it save you money on fuel? We will be buying a new car in the next year and I drive a lot for work.

Have no idea if I save on fuel, not sure how I would ever measure that. If you are buying a new car, I believe they ALL have this feature. On mine, you can turn that feature off when driving, but it resets each time you shut off the vehicle. I don't find the feature that big of deal either way.

 

[Christine]

Have no idea if I save on fuel, not sure how I would ever measure that. If you are buying a new car, I believe they ALL have this feature. On mine, you can turn that feature off when driving, but it resets each time you shut off the vehicle. I don't find the feature that big of deal either way.

Yeah it drove my husband crazy for quite some time ( Subaru Outback) and he wanted to turn it off but had to be done each time you get in the car. He's learned to deal with it. I'm not sure how much of a savings the feature is contributing to.

 

[TippyThomas]

Yeah it drove my husband crazy for quite some time ( Subaru Outback) and he wanted to turn it off but had to be done each time you get in the car. He's learned to deal with it. I'm not sure how much of a savings the feature is contributing to.

When I complained to the dealership about how much I hated the option and that I had to turn it off every time I drove, they were able to make some sort of change in my cars computer that made it turn off automatically and you had to turn it on if you wanted it. I never have to worry about it again. I don't know how they did it but I love that they did.

 

[Jangles]

Yeah it drove my husband crazy for quite some time ( Subaru Outback) and he wanted to turn it off but had to be done each time you get in the car. He's learned to deal with it. I'm not sure how much of a savings the feature is contributing to.

My daughter’s car ‘reads’ the speed limits and slows her manual car automatically. Wales is predominantly 20 mph (a controversial topic in itself), and the Welsh government, on some signs made the 2 of the 20 replicate a dragon. Her car cannot cope with that at all!

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[BrianL]

Have no idea if I save on fuel, not sure how I would ever measure that. If you are buying a new car, I believe they ALL have this feature. On mine, you can turn that feature off when driving, but it resets each time you shut off the vehicle. I don't find the feature that big of deal either way.

My car tells me. When it's on, a little timer shows up. It displays the total time I have spent using the feature and the fuel savings. It is not much.

 

[ford family]

You must be. I personally put my foot on the brake while stopped. Not sure why someone would have their foot on the gas.

Why, don't you have the option to put the car into park? At night you will be blinding the person behind you in addition to wasting fuel and increasing emissions at all times.

ford family

 

[Jangles]

Why, don't you have the option to put the car into park? At night you will be blinding the person behind you in addition to wasting fuel and increasing emissions at all times.

ford family

When you stop at traffic lights or a give way junction do you put your car into park? I just put my foot on the brake.