Contracts drying up??

[Chili327]

We do have a bug for this broker at the moment. Working on a fix

It’s funny, I bet a lot of them throw a wrench in your gears all the time purposely, but making their contracts not show up just gets less eyes on them, so it seems like a bad plan. lol

 

[VGCgroupie]

It’s funny, I bet a lot of them throw a wrench in your gears all the time purposely, but making their contracts not show up just gets less eyes on them, so it seems like a bad plan. lol

That would for sure hurt them in the long run. I rarely go directly to the broker sites directly. I will start, check one and then get side tracked by something else ( at you disboards)

 

[VGCgroupie]

We do have a bug for this broker at the moment. Working on a fix

aannnddd they are back!

Thanks again for your site!

 

[Brian Noble]

I bet a lot of them throw a wrench in your gears all the time purposely

They are probably constantly changing the site, but certainly not to foil DVC4L, but rather it improves engagement on their site.

 

[CastAStone]

Taps sign

In their defense, automated scraping of data in a consistent and accurate manner is REALLY hard and requires basically constant monitoring and upkeep.

 

[Brian Noble]

I'm also a little surprised that no one has sent them a cease and desist letter yet. Pretty much every web site in existence forbids this sort of thing. For example, one broker says this in their T&C:

You are not allowed to use any robot, spider or other automated process to monitor, data mine or copy DVC Resale Market products, services or information

Smaller brokers probably don't care, because it gives them exposure. But the larger players could potentially see this as just a way to generate visibility for the competition that spends less on advertising.

Edited to add: For example, when I read this post, I see that DISBoards automagically inserts a referral link to DVCRM, and I'm pretty sure that DVCRM pays for it in some way.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I'm also a little surprised that no one has sent them a cease and desist letter yet. Pretty much every web site in existence forbids this sort of thing. For example, one broker says this in their T&C:



Smaller brokers probably don't care, because it gives them exposure. But the larger players could potentially see this as just a way to generate visibility for the competition that spends less on advertising.

Edited to add: For example, when I read this post, I see that DISBoards automagically inserts a referral link to DVCRM, and I'm pretty sure that DVCRM pays for it in some way.

If only DVC would enforce this on these same big brokers that use bots for rental bookings.

 

[CastAStone]

I'm also a little surprised that no one has sent them a cease and desist letter yet. Pretty much every web site in existence forbids this sort of thing. For example, one broker says this in their T&C:



Smaller brokers probably don't care, because it gives them exposure. But the larger players could potentially see this as just a way to generate visibility for the competition that spends less on advertising.

Edited to add: For example, when I read this post, I see that DISBoards automagically inserts a referral link to DVCRM, and I'm pretty sure that DVCRM pays for it in some way.

Under prior ownership, aggregators never seemed to stay off the banned list for very long here.

 

[Ruttangel]

Under prior ownership, aggregators never seemed to stay off the banned list for very long here.

With aggregators you can quickly see that some brokers have 2-5% higher listing prices than others
Lo and behold, they also charge 2-3% more in commission hoping the buyer will pick up the tab

 

[VGCgroupie]

With aggregators you can quickly see that some brokers have 2-5% higher listing prices than others
Lo and behold, they also charge 2-3% more in commission hoping the buyer will pick up the tab

I was thinking what could possibly be the downside… but yep this is it.

 

[ChipTheRescueRanger]

12 contracts just gone up on DVC for less from a broker. non of the have current points. So would this be the broker stripping them

 

[disneylandtour]

12 contracts just gone up on DVC for less from a broker. non of the have current points. So would this be the broker stripping them

They are either renting the points or using MS to transfer them to another account. (I do wonder why MS allows this, though.). In general, loaded contract only change the PP price a little and bring far more value than the price increase.

 

[VGCgroupie]

They are either renting the points or using MS to transfer them to another account. (I do wonder why MS allows this, though.). In general, loaded contract only change the PP price a little and bring far more value than the price increase.

How would transferring even work though? Isn’t it one transfer in or out per year?

 

[Tatebeck]

How would transferring even work though? Isn’t it one transfer in or out per year?

If they bought a bunch of contracts under the same owner on the titles (the company, an owner, etc.) then Disney usually lets you transfer between your OWN memberships/accounts/contracts WITHOUT it counting towards the 1 per year limit.

So they could buy 10 contracts with a bunch of different resorts and use years, transfer all of the points to one of the memberships to hold them for use/rent, then sell the other 9 contracts stripped

 

[disneylandtour]

How would transferring even work though? Isn’t it one transfer in or out per year?

My guess is that this particular broker has a lot of contracts that they own that they use to rent. But again, I don't know.

 

[disneylandtour]

If they bought a bunch of contracts under the same owner on the titles (the company, an owner, etc.) then Disney usually lets you transfer between your OWN memberships/accounts/contracts WITHOUT it counting towards the 1 per year limit.

So they could buy 10 contracts with a bunch of different resorts and use years, transfer all of the points to one of the contracts to hold them for use/rent, then sell the other 9 contracts stripped

Yep, this is exactly what I "think" is happening. But again, I don't know for sure.

 

[VGCgroupie]

If they bought a bunch of contracts under the same owner on the titles (the company, an owner, etc.) then Disney usually lets you transfer between your OWN memberships/accounts/contracts WITHOUT it counting towards the 1 per year limit.

So they could buy 10 contracts with a bunch of different resorts and use years, transfer all of the points to one of the memberships to hold them for use/rent, then sell the other 9 contracts stripped

Ahhh okay. I still need to learn all the rules for transfers etc.

 

[atthebeachclub]

If they bought a bunch of contracts under the same owner on the titles (the company, an owner, etc.) then Disney usually lets you transfer between your OWN memberships/accounts/contracts WITHOUT it counting towards the 1 per year limit.

So they could buy 10 contracts with a bunch of different resorts and use years, transfer all of the points to one of the memberships to hold them for use/rent, then sell the other 9 contracts stripped

I was also thinking an engaged seller might also do this themselves prior to sale.

 

[disneylandtour]

I was also thinking an engaged seller might also do this themselves prior to sale.

If this was common, you'd see these then sprinkled more around to the different brokers. There's a preponderance of them at one particular broker.

 

[Sandisw]

They are either renting the points or using MS to transfer them to another account. (I do wonder why MS allows this, though.). In general, loaded contract only change the PP price a little and bring far more value than the price increase.

The contract allows us to transfer in or out of our memberships, so MS doesn’t have the right to tell someone they can’t, unless they hear one of the owners say there is pay involved.