Conspiracy theory's

[dodukes]

It does not sounds you been around a bunch of military before. These are close friends not people who I just meet and if they did not say anything I am sure DH would have told me. That the govt. keep a lot of secrets is not something unknown and it should be like that in certain instances. There is many military secrets that for protection of the soldiers need to be keep that way. And yes they have come out and said some of that but to take it as far as to link to some conspiracy no. They laugh because they think they are ridiculous and many times they will give you the run down why it is not true and why it can't be true from their inside perspective. Many people like to use military and military bases in their theories, because it is a easy way for people to believe since they can not access a military base. Also because you are not allowed to take pictures of buildings on base for security reasons. People like to twist the true and make it fit to what they want to believe. I mean there is a whole psychological approach to the these theories.

No Ive been around some military an d yes some have shared some things but i guess i figured if it was that secretive, they might not even tell you and try to laugh to make you think otherwise (the conspiracy theorist in me....)

UFOs

I must say I believe in UFOs. I believe they are defence prototypes developed out of the public eye. Some background.

The first UFO reports were recorded in World War II, when pilots reported strange lights in the air toying with the aircraft. The pilots even coined a name for them – “foo fighters”. They assumed that they were Nazi technology and all reports were subsequently classified (although they are public now.)

What they were is anyone’s guess.
Surprisingly, during the war the Nazis toyed with – wait for it – disc shaped aircraft.

Interestingly, Nazis also researched into stealth fighter technology – scientifically, they were very far advanced.

They also toyed with the idea of anti-gravity technology in a series of experiments deep under the mountains on the Polish border. Reconnaissance photos first picked up the facility towards the end of the war, picking out the power plant used to supply the facility with energy and an odd structure nicknamed the “Flytrap”.

The Nazi anti-gravity experiments were nicknamed the “Bell” experiments after the shape of central research device. This device was filled with a mercury-like liquid that shone with a violet light when under test. A lot of people died during the testing of this device. The man in charge was one Hans Kammler, a very senior officer in Hitler’s military.

The research was classified as “war decisive” by the Nazi high command – amazing, since not even the atmoic bomb was classed similarly, only the Bell – and was largely destroyed – results and all – as they retreated ahead of the Russians. The Americans seized all technology in the area and initiated a brain-drain on Nazi Germany, a project known as Project Paperclip.

Shortly after the Americans seized the technology, UFO sightings came thick and fast in America.

Kammler, meanwhile, admitted to the whole thing, providing much of the information we have now. Annoyingly, the facility has long since been flooded, making access impossible.

Pity.

I have to say that a lot of stuff of this thread is sort of history I have never even heard of (and if i did in school it didnt seem very interesting at the time). This sounds like some stuff id love to read about today, i had no idea about above.

 

[136368]

I have to say that a lot of stuff of this thread is sort of history I have never even heard of (and if i did in school it didnt seem very interesting at the time). This sounds like some stuff id love to read about today, i had no idea about above.

The Flytrap is weird to say the least. It's made out of reinforced concrete with superconductors stretching up into it's supports. Reconnaissance photographs during the war often picked up disk-shaped things in the Flytrap itself. Goodness knows what they were.

 

[disneylovin24]

What about the the theory about the toxic goo that fell in Oakville washington, very intresting!

Are you referring to the belief that the military dropped it for testing purposes? That I think could have truth to it because really, where else could it have come from

 

[smkiya]

This theory gives me the creeps!!!! It is about the 2012 SOLAR STORM

I love Dr. Michio Kaku:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPdqr2v1rTQ

Jessy Ventura on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gjtkt9sYMU&feature=related

and how to survive:


http://www.solar-storm-warning.com/How_To_Prepare_For_The_Coming_Solar_Storm.html

I looked more into this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_TzIUlaQok

I couldn't sleep last night thinking about it!

 

[dodukes]

I looked more into this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_TzIUlaQok

I couldn't sleep last night thinking about it!

for once, i am NOT going to look into this one!!!

 

[136368]

You know the brace position that the airlines make you adopt in a crash situation? Ever wondered why? Well, it's because on impact you neck is cleanly broken, avoiding suffering, and your dental records are preserved.

 

[Jennasis]

You know the brace position that the airlines make you adopt in a crash situation? Ever wondered why? Well, it's because on impact you neck is cleanly broken, avoiding suffering, and your dental records are preserved.

Myth BUSTED. They covered this very topic on an early episode of Mythbusters and found that indeed the "brace" position provides the best protection and shock absorption in the event of a crash.

 

[136368]

Myth BUSTED. They covered this very topic on an early episode of Mythbusters and found that indeed the "brace" position provides the best protection and shock absorption in the event of a crash.

I (very happily) take it back then!

 

[Jennasis]

I (very happily) take it back then!

Here's the video too. http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-killer-brace-position-minimyth.html

 

[rie'smom]

Somehow, that didn't make me feel any better about it. :creepycrawlies:

Great now my skin is itching!

wow kool, thanks for the info..... im definitely gonna read up more on it just out of curiosity.



At work so can't read the whole thing but just read the top and I agree with PP ..eeww..sounds like heebee jeebees...lol...ill read it later and of course now i want to see pics of the fibers hahaha



I have to say after reading this thread I really want to go and see the grassy knoll too....im going to try to pick up the books mentioned, they sound like a good read.

The book is great. Also, it's been a few years since I visited the area. Areas have been changed. To see the area as it was, you'd have to look at old pictures from before the assasination. Many of the books have these, some do not.

UFOs

I must say I believe in UFOs. I believe they are defence prototypes developed out of the public eye. Some background.

The first UFO reports were recorded in World War II, when pilots reported strange lights in the air toying with the aircraft. The pilots even coined a name for them – “foo fighters”. They assumed that they were Nazi technology and all reports were subsequently classified (although they are public now.)

What they were is anyone’s guess.
Surprisingly, during the war the Nazis toyed with – wait for it – disc shaped aircraft.

Interestingly, Nazis also researched into stealth fighter technology – scientifically, they were very far advanced.

They also toyed with the idea of anti-gravity technology in a series of experiments deep under the mountains on the Polish border. Reconnaissance photos first picked up the facility towards the end of the war, picking out the power plant used to supply the facility with energy and an odd structure nicknamed the “Flytrap”.

The Nazi anti-gravity experiments were nicknamed the “Bell” experiments after the shape of central research device. This device was filled with a mercury-like liquid that shone with a violet light when under test. A lot of people died during the testing of this device. The man in charge was one Hans Kammler, a very senior officer in Hitler’s military.

The research was classified as “war decisive” by the Nazi high command – amazing, since not even the atmoic bomb was classed similarly, only the Bell – and was largely destroyed – results and all – as they retreated ahead of the Russians. The Americans seized all technology in the area and initiated a brain-drain on Nazi Germany, a project known as Project Paperclip.

Shortly after the Americans seized the technology, UFO sightings came thick and fast in America.

Kammler, meanwhile, admitted to the whole thing, providing much of the information we have now. Annoyingly, the facility has long since been flooded, making access impossible.

Pity.

Guess where many of these scientists ended up- yep in the US working on both the bomb and the rocket industry.

I looked more into this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_TzIUlaQok

I couldn't sleep last night thinking about it!

Glad I saw it again. I've read some about the storms over the past few years. It's a good heads up to back up everything important to zip drives. That way once we get back on the grid, we'll still have access. Course if the nuclear plants melt down, we won't have to worry anyway. C'est la vie.
My attitude is fatalistic. When it's my time, it doesn't matter if I'm sleeping in my comfy bed or riding Big Thunder Mountain, it's bye bye.

 

[DopeyDame]

But doesn't gravitational pull increase velocity?

Not arguing, just asking, because it sounds like you have a better grasp of physics than I do.

You're both right - you're just talking about 2 different things. In Newtonian Physics (the normal, every day stuff we experience on Earth), the bigger the mass, the stronger the gravitational pull. Earth is way bigger than the moon, so on the moon, the gravitational pull is 1/6 that of the Earth. That's why the astronauts (and dust and stuff) behave differently on the moon - they can jump higher, the dust scatters more slowly, etc.
In Relativistic Physics, "everything's relative" as Dr. Einstein says. That's when you get into actual time moving at a different rate. So it's not that you experience things differently, it's that the very nature of time itself is different as we approach the speed of light. The best proof of that admitatly weird concept comes from the NASA Satellite Gravity Probe B. Check out: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/gpb/

In the case of the moon landing (and any other human space endeavors), we don't get anywhere NEAR the speed of light, so Newtonian Physics works just fine, even if it's not exactly, 100% accurate. When we get on the Star Ship Enterprise and start travelling warp-speed, then we'll need to worry about relativity.

As for the conspiracy theory, I'm 100% confident that if you find a high school AP Physics student, they'll be able to calculate how fast the dust SHOULD fall to the ground on the moon, and am likewise confident that that's exactly what the video will show.

 

[derricksonb]

I just don't believe in Aliens so that means I don't believe in that or Area 51 I guess.

I understand your questioning the existence of extraterrestrial life, but AREA 51 is a real place that is one section of the Nevada Test and Training Range (formerly Nellis Air Force Range) and managed by the 99th wing at Nellis Air Force Base.

NTTR Mission Statement as per their website:

The Nevada Test and Training Range (NTTR) formerly the 98th Range Wing, operates, maintains, and develops Test and Training on the NTTR. The NTTR provides instrumentation for Green Flag West at the National Training Center (NTC) and Leach Lake Tactics Range (LLTR).

The NTTR also supports the Department of Defense (DOD) advanced composite force training, tactics development, and electronic combat testing as well as DOD and Department of Energy (DOE) testing, research, and development. The NTTR hosts numerous Red Flag and U.S. Air Force Weapons School exercises each year, as well as various test and tactics development missions.

The NTTR coordinates operational and support matters with major commands, other services, DOE and Department of Interior, as well as other federal, state, and local government agencies. The NTTR acts as the single point of contact for range customers.

I believe the main reason why the government has not come out and stated whether or not extraterrestrial life was recovered from the Roswell incident is that the mystique surrounding the incident gives the DoD ample fuel in allowing their continued operations of testing and developing the next generation of fighters, long range bombers and alternative propulsion vehicles.

All the birds falling from the sky and the fish dying reminded me of the begining of some horrible diaster movie from the 90's.

Don't forget the flying cows in Twister....

As I recall, from the various things I've read/seen, there was a train yard parking lot behind a fence at the top of the grassy knoll, and the shooter was supposedly in that yard at the fence.

That is correct. The train yard ws located behind the fence at the top of the hill to the right of the motorcade. At the time of the shooting Dallas police rounded up several hoboes as possible suspects, but all were released. One of the officers recalled that there were Secret Service Agents present at the time. "(he) produces credentials from his pocket which showed him to be Secret Service. So I accepted that and let him go and continued our search. But I regretted it, because he looked like an auto mechanic. He had on a sports shirt and pants, but he had dirty fingernails. Afterwards it didn't ring true, but at the time we were so pressed for time."

 

[136368]

It is practically a statistical impossibility that there are no aliens out there, indeed, intelligent aliens, given the size of the universe. How far away they are from us is another question and whether or not we make contact any time soon is another quandary.

 

[SAHDad]

It is practically a statistical impossibility that there are no aliens out there, indeed, intelligent aliens, given the size of the universe. How far away they are from us is another question and whether or not we make contact any time soon is another quandary.

Plus, the universe is old. Like 13.75 billion years old. Assuming that there is nothing special about humanity, and assuming that there nothing happened in the first 3.75 billion years, then intelligent life could rise up (from primitive hunter-gather to nuclear power - and weapons) over the course of 100,000 years and snuff itself out 100,000 times in that period. And no one said that they had to be close to us, either - space is also really, really, really big.

"Space," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space, listen..."

ETA - So anyway, yeah, there could be aliens. It would be hard to imagine that there is nothing out there in the vastness of space. But, just to be honest - if aliens did come here it would be difficult for a less advanced civilization to keep it quiet. (I do recall a SF author arguing that any aliens visiting us are doing the equivalent of cow-tipping, since there is such a preponderance of "abduct & probe" stories, but darned few - "Hi, we would like to meet the nearest astrophysicist for a discussion on FTL travel" stories.)

 

[disneylovin24]

I understand your questioning the existence of extraterrestrial life, but AREA 51 is a real place that is one section of the Nevada Test and Training Range (formerly Nellis Air Force Range) and managed by the 99th wing at Nellis Air Force Base.

NTTR Mission Statement as per their website:

The Nevada Test and Training Range (NTTR) formerly the 98th Range Wing, operates, maintains, and develops Test and Training on the NTTR. The NTTR provides instrumentation for Green Flag West at the National Training Center (NTC) and Leach Lake Tactics Range (LLTR).

The NTTR also supports the Department of Defense (DOD) advanced composite force training, tactics development, and electronic combat testing as well as DOD and Department of Energy (DOE) testing, research, and development. The NTTR hosts numerous Red Flag and U.S. Air Force Weapons School exercises each year, as well as various test and tactics development missions.

The NTTR coordinates operational and support matters with major commands, other services, DOE and Department of Interior, as well as other federal, state, and local government agencies. The NTTR acts as the single point of contact for range customers.

I believe the main reason why the government has not come out and stated whether or not extraterrestrial life was recovered from the Roswell incident is that the mystique surrounding the incident gives the DoD ample fuel in allowing their continued operations of testing and developing the next generation of fighters, long range bombers and alternative propulsion vehicles.





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Of course I know that Area 51 is a real place. What I meant was that I do not believe that Area 51 is used for the purposes some think it is. I believe it is just a top secret military facility where we are performing tests and other things, not housing aliens.

 

[disneylovin24]

It is practically a statistical impossibility that there are no aliens out there, indeed, intelligent aliens, given the size of the universe. How far away they are from us is another question and whether or not we make contact any time soon is another quandary.

Plus, the universe is old. Like 13.75 billion years old. Assuming that there is nothing special about humanity, and assuming that there nothing happened in the first 3.75 billion years, then intelligent life could rise up (from primitive hunter-gather to nuclear power - and weapons) over the course of 100,000 years and snuff itself out 100,000 times in that period. And no one said that they had to be close to us, either - space is also really, really, really big.



ETA - So anyway, yeah, there could be aliens. It would be hard to imagine that there is nothing out there in the vastness of space. But, just to be honest - if aliens did come here it would be difficult for a less advanced civilization to keep it quiet. (I do recall a SF author arguing that any aliens visiting us are doing the equivalent of cow-tipping, since there is such a preponderance of "abduct & probe" stories, but darned few - "Hi, we would like to meet the nearest astrophysicist for a discussion on FTL travel" stories.)

I guess Im going to change what I said before alittle. I do believe there is a possibility that there was or is life on another planet or far, far away in this universe. But, I do not believe that life from elsewhere in this universe has ever come to earth. I think that if they were technological advanced enough to make it to earth in the first place then they would not have stopped after a few of them were killed by humans. I believe that they would have been able to take care of the humans with the technology they had or they would have been angered and came back in numbers.

 

[marie1203]

No Ive been around some military an d yes some have shared some things but i guess i figured if it was that secretive, they might not even tell you and try to laugh to make you think otherwise (the conspiracy theorist in me....)

There is a big difference in trust to someone they have been in battle with. There is just a special connection.

 

[Cogswel_Cogs]

Quote:
"Space," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space, listen..."
I think this would have been much more effective if you attached the Don't Panic Smiley.

 

[136368]

Another oddity of relativity, I think I'm right in saying that as velocity increases, so does the distance between two points. Sounds peculiar even to me!

I do believe that there *is* life in the Universe that *could* visit or contact us BUT I equally believe that this hasn't happened in living memory because if you do make first contact, you don't pretend you never had! Well, unless they didn't want to be our friends

A few fun tidbits.

First of all, teleportation is real. Scientists have teleported particles in a confined space. That's a LONG way off of transporting something as complex as a human and an qually LONG way off of transporting anything over any kind of distance!

Next, we have a rudimentary invisibility cloak. I have no idea how it works, but it appears to somehow bend light around it. Move over, Harry Potter! We also have a similar cloak that is invisible to sound, using the same trick.

Cool, huh?

 

[derricksonb]

Of course I know that Area 51 is a real place. What I meant was that I do not believe that Area 51 is used for the purposes some think it is. I believe it is just a top secret military facility where we are performing tests and other things, not housing aliens.

Of course not. The military moved the spaceships and bodies to WPAFB, OH. I really need to stop watching so much History Channel.....