Conspiracy theory's

[Cogswel_Cogs]

In the process of moving furniture for wood floor installation I had to clean out my study.
The jest of the paper is that Aristotal Onasis in conjunction with The Kennedy Patriarch (can't remember his name) grew in power and wealth via the opium trade followed by bringing booze to America during prohibition and traded with all parties during WWII. It notes that Onasis did not loose a single merchant ship during WWII. They say it was because he was working for both sides. It then follows through Onasis' connection to organized crime and who owned the Washington Post and gaming in Cuba, his hand in the Bay of Pigs incident and claims that the Kennedy assasination was payback from organized crime for John and Robert Kennedy's war on them. It names the gunman on the grassy knoll ad even gives thier escape routes. It talks about Onasis' control over Johnson and the fact that on the Air Force One flight out of Dallas that day where Johnson was sworn into the presidency that he received a call that said he would do certain things and that if he did not agree that "planes crash all the time, even Air Force One"

It is an interesting read and must be taken with a grain of salt because obviously one would have a difficult time proving most if not all of the claims made, but it sure can set your mind realing.

They even clain that Jackie Kennedy marrying Onasis was in keeping with a tradition of mafia leaders taking care of or marrying the widows of their rivals.

And they called it Camelot! Sounds like Godfather to me!!
Did it mention John kissing Teddy as he says "I know it was you, You Broke my heart."

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

ok so i skimmed thru the wiki article but it doesnt say how it got started? was it with evian from the french? I will look more into it, its sounds a little looney but i guess theres lots of people who claim to have it...

Many now believe that this is caused by COLLEMBOLA:

link...

 

[m&m's mom]

OK, about Roswell. I am going to say in advance I am going to sound extremely contridictory in my comments but I am just stating what I know either 1st hand or been told by family or very close friends.
There were 2 supposed sites that different people say the "incident/landing" happened. Our ranch was one of them.
My great grandparents homesteaded our ranch in NM and it was a very large ranch in total (Over 70 sections which are square miles). There were 3 separate ranches owned by my Grandfather, his brother and the other his sister's.
The sister (my aunt), had a lot of hired hands on her ranch. For a few days before she had been getting lots of reports about "something" in the sky that they could not identify and the men were quite scared. Since Roswell was a large military base at the time and they used our land for some weapons testing, she did not think anything about it.
On the night of whatever it was- it was lightning a lot. NM is extremely dry and all ranchers scan their land as high up as they can for possible grass fires so that is what my grandfather was doing.
I am not sure exactly when they were made aware of something supposed happening but the ranch is about 50 miles outside of Roswell and no real communication like newspapers etc.
The terrain in that part of NM is very rugged-cliff drop offs, deep dry river beds, and just general undriveable environment. There is about zero chance the army could have "cross-countried" it as I have read some claim to get to the landing site. I grew up there and sometimes driving on the roads was difficult- ZERO way to even go 5 miles cross-country- more less 50.
The second way to get to the site went directly in front of the ranch house front yard. Again, ZERO way a convoy of trucks could go by unnoticed. Keep in mind- you're out in the middle of nowhere so lights are required to not crash and if 1 vehicle came by, it would be noticed.
My family had always kinda laughed off the whole "alien" thing. The people that bought our ranch are/were supposedly selling "alien dirt". No one in my family has ever seen with their own eyes anything that they found in the least suspicious.

Now, here's where I am contridictory.
One of our old family friends owned the mortuary. He told my Mom and I that he got a call from a friend of his who was a nurse at "the base" and said to bring all children's caskets to the base. He was obviously alarmed at why they were needed but he said she told him "I can't tell you, and even if I did, you would not believe me".
He took the caskets out and tried to talk to her but she was very visibly upset and said she could not talk. He said out of nowhere that lady was transferred a week later.
He also said the base was just hopping with chaos and people just running around in a frenzy.

Now you see why I am contridictory. I have no clue what happened but I REALLY lean towards it NOT being aliens but nothing impossible.

 

[disneylovin24]

OK, about Roswell. I am going to say in advance I am going to sound extremely contridictory in my comments but I am just stating what I know either 1st hand or been told by family or very close friends.
There were 2 supposed sites that different people say the "incident/landing" happened. Our ranch was one of them.
My great grandparents homesteaded our ranch in NM and it was a very large ranch in total (Over 70 sections which are square miles). There were 3 separate ranches owned by my Grandfather, his brother and the other his sister's.
The sister (my aunt), had a lot of hired hands on her ranch. For a few days before she had been getting lots of reports about "something" in the sky that they could not identify and the men were quite scared. Since Roswell was a large military base at the time and they used our land for some weapons testing, she did not think anything about it.
On the night of whatever it was- it was lightning a lot. NM is extremely dry and all ranchers scan their land as high up as they can for possible grass fires so that is what my grandfather was doing.
I am not sure exactly when they were made aware of something supposed happening but the ranch is about 50 miles outside of Roswell and no real communication like newspapers etc.
The terrain in that part of NM is very rugged-cliff drop offs, deep dry river beds, and just general undriveable environment. There is about zero chance the army could have "cross-countried" it as I have read some claim to get to the landing site. I grew up there and sometimes driving on the roads was difficult- ZERO way to even go 5 miles cross-country- more less 50.
The second way to get to the site went directly in front of the ranch house front yard. Again, ZERO way a convoy of trucks could go by unnoticed. Keep in mind- you're out in the middle of nowhere so lights are required to not crash and if 1 vehicle came by, it would be noticed.
My family had always kinda laughed off the whole "alien" thing. The people that bought our ranch are/were supposedly selling "alien dirt". No one in my family has ever seen with their own eyes anything that they found in the least suspicious.

Now, here's where I am contridictory.
One of our old family friends owned the mortuary. He told my Mom and I that he got a call from a friend of his who was a nurse at "the base" and said to bring all children's caskets to the base. He was obviously alarmed at why they were needed but he said she told him "I can't tell you, and even if I did, you would not believe me".
He took the caskets out and tried to talk to her but she was very visibly upset and said she could not talk. He said out of nowhere that lady was transferred a week later.
He also said the base was just hopping with chaos and people just running around in a frenzy.

Now you see why I am contridictory. I have no clue what happened but I REALLY lean towards it NOT being aliens but nothing impossible.

Very interesting /cool that your family was so involved in such history.

I would have to believe that the caskets would be for something else. If they did have dead aliens and buried them in caskets, don't you think they would have been found by now? I think they would have disposed of the aliens via cremation or something along those lines which would not involved caskets. If they were keeping them I don't think they would have put them in caskets but who knows.

I didn't believe it to start but the fact that it was lightening that night makes me even more convined. People tend to think that they see strange things during storms.

 

[disneylovin24]

I will post about Roswell in a sec but I bought "Nemesis: The True Story of Aristotle Onassis, Jackie O, and the Love Triangle That Brought Down the Kennedys". I have no idea if it is true but boy, it was an interesting book.

ETA- I bought this book a few hours after spending half a day at the "Schoolbook Depository" and the site of Kennedy's Assination. The "grassy knoll" is tiny, tiny. I have lived in Dallas for 20 + years and never really paid attention to the actual site even though it was 2 miles from my office.
I read all the conspiracy stuff in the actual museum and then spent time outside trying to reconcile what I had just seen with the teeny, tiny area in front of me (which has not changed since the assination).
I gotta be honest- my 11 year old could have hit someone from that distance- and she has never even seen a gun. Also, I kept hearing where the "secret shooter" was supposed to be and it was a patch of grass that is maybe 15 feet long and maybe 4 feet deep. I just do not see any way possible someone could have shot from there and not been seen by the multitude of people crowding that little patch.
Now if there are all kinds of other theories about who put him up to it and I have no clue about that.

This is interesting. I would love to be able to go and visit the site myself.

I always believed that Oswald could have made the shots they say he did. The human body always has ways to surprise us if we are in need of them. I do believe that adrenaline could have helped him gotten the shot fired.

BUT, what sold me on another gunman is the video. It is pretty clear that a bullet hit Kennedy from the front. There also were people who say they did see someone behind the fence acting suspicious. But, the video is a lot of proof from me. The angle that the bullet comes from is all wrong.



Im going to look up that book. I have read a few on the Kennedys and really have enjoyed every one of them, I feel like that could be another one I enjoy. Im currently in the middle of The Dark Side of Camelot. The Kennedy family was so messed up that really so many people could have killd JFK for so many reasons.

 

[136368]

Word has it that gravity speeds things up. Lack of it makes things move slower.

Unless they are in the desert in Arizona at night wearing a space suit.

I think you may have things the wrong way round. As gravity increases so time slows down and mass increases. At the speed of light, time stands still. This was proven using two atomic clocks and a Concorde - one on earth, one airborne. The one travelling faster than sound recorded a slower passage of time than the clock on earth.

 

[lizabu]

I think you may have things the wrong way round. As gravity increases so time slows down and mass increases. At the speed of light, time stands still. This was proven using two atomic clocks and a Concorde - one on earth, one airborne. The one travelling faster than sound recorded a slower passage of time than the clock on earth.

This matches the theory I've heard where if you have 2 twins and one is travelling through space and the other is on Earth the one on Earth ages more quickly than the one travelling in space.

 

[m&m's mom]

This is interesting. I would love to be able to go and visit the site myself.

I always believed that Oswald could have made the shots they say he did. The human body always has ways to surprise us if we are in need of them. I do believe that adrenaline could have helped him gotten the shot fired.

BUT, what sold me on another gunman is the video. It is pretty clear that a bullet hit Kennedy from the front. There also were people who say they did see someone behind the fence acting suspicious. But, the video is a lot of proof from me. The angle that the bullet comes from is all wrong.



Im going to look up that book. I have read a few on the Kennedys and really have enjoyed every one of them, I feel like that could be another one I enjoy. Im currently in the middle of The Dark Side of Camelot. The Kennedy family was so messed up that really so many people could have killd JFK for so many reasons.

I'm not sure about the fence as I cannot even imagine where a fence would have been there at the time. I mean this whole thing happened in a matter of a 1/4 of 1 block. Kennedy basically travelled RIGHT in front of Oswald and the motorcade was going extremely slow.

I agree on the Kennedy's. Basically you don't care who killed Robert Kennedy by the time you find out the "back story". Their lifestyle was less than respectable.

There is something else I keep in mind. I remember when I saw the set of the Today show and SNL in NY. They are so little bitty and when we expressed our shock, the camera guy showed us how they use lighting and camera tricks to make it appear bigger.

 

[hambirg]

Many now believe that this is caused by COLLEMBOLA:

link...

Somehow, that didn't make me feel any better about it. :creepycrawlies:

 

[FergieTCat]

I think you may have things the wrong way round. As gravity increases so time slows down and mass increases. At the speed of light, time stands still. This was proven using two atomic clocks and a Concorde - one on earth, one airborne. The one travelling faster than sound recorded a slower passage of time than the clock on earth.

But doesn't gravitational pull increase velocity?

Not arguing, just asking, because it sounds like you have a better grasp of physics than I do.

 

[Cogswel_Cogs]

so does any of this mean that looking at the speed and flight of particles could prove or disprove the landing? I have no idea of what you guys are talking about but I am getting flashbacks of junior year of high school. and niot the good parts of jr year.

 

[moburg]

I will post about Roswell in a sec but I bought "Nemesis: The True Story of Aristotle Onassis, Jackie O, and the Love Triangle That Brought Down the Kennedys". I have no idea if it is true but boy, it was an interesting book.

ETA- I bought this book a few hours after spending half a day at the "Schoolbook Depository" and the site of Kennedy's Assination. The "grassy knoll" is tiny, tiny. I have lived in Dallas for 20 + years and never really paid attention to the actual site even though it was 2 miles from my office.
I read all the conspiracy stuff in the actual museum and then spent time outside trying to reconcile what I had just seen with the teeny, tiny area in front of me (which has not changed since the assination).
I gotta be honest- my 11 year old could have hit someone from that distance- and she has never even seen a gun. Also, I kept hearing where the "secret shooter" was supposed to be and it was a patch of grass that is maybe 15 feet long and maybe 4 feet deep. I just do not see any way possible someone could have shot from there and not been seen by the multitude of people crowding that little patch.
Now if there are all kinds of other theories about who put him up to it and I have no clue about that.

As I recall, from the various things I've read/seen, there was a train yard parking lot behind a fence at the top of the grassy knoll, and the shooter was supposedly in that yard at the fence.

 

[rie'smom]

I'm not sure about the fence as I cannot even imagine where a fence would have been there at the time. I mean this whole thing happened in a matter of a 1/4 of 1 block. Kennedy basically travelled RIGHT in front of Oswald and the motorcade was going extremely slow.

I agree on the Kennedy's. Basically you don't care who killed Robert Kennedy by the time you find out the "back story". Their lifestyle was less than respectable.

There is something else I keep in mind. I remember when I saw the set of the Today show and SNL in NY. They are so little bitty and when we expressed our shock, the camera guy showed us how they use lighting and camera tricks to make it appear bigger.

The area at the grassy knoll where the shooter was located was huge. Also, there are some who believe that a shot also came from the sewer drain.
The sign you see-if it's still there- from the school book depository towards where the limo passed was moved w/in a few days of the assasination.

 

[luvsJack]

I'm pretty sure Christians believe God is also the holy ghost. Scientologists believe the evil alien Xenu enslaved people, blew them up in a volcano, and their ghostly remains haunt non-believers (and those short on cash) to this day.

Doesn't seem like anyone is being rude here.

FYI: not all believe the Holy Ghost is the same entity as God. And its hardly the same. He isn't haunting anyone. Don't bring this in to it, there is not reason.

 

[dodukes]

ok so i skimmed thru the wiki article but it doesnt say how it got started? was it with evian from the french? I will look more into it, its sounds a little looney but i guess theres lots of people who claim to have it.


here is some more information:

Thousands of US Families Suffering, Tens of Thousands Worldwide

On December 5th, 2006, Dr. Edward L. Spencer MD spoke to the Berkeley California Mayor and City Council Members on behalf of the Community Environmental Advisory Commission (CEAC).


HERE IS A TRANSCRIPT OF DR. SPENCER'S COMMENTS:

Honorable Mayor and Berkeley City Council Members:

My name is Edward Spencer MD. I have practiced Neurology in Northern California for more than thirty years. I am speaking tonight on the issue of health and nanotechnology.

A very strange disorder named Morgellons disease is among us, and the world wide number of cases is approaching 20 thousand with major clusters in the Bay Area and Southern California.

There now exists strong data indicating that this disorder is associated with nanotechnology, specifically nano machines in the form of nanofibers. The National Science Foundation (NSF) defines nanofibers as having at least one dimension of 100 nanometer (nm) or less.

So-called Morgellons disorder presents as brain fog, fatigue and other neurological symptoms. It is associated with the presence of tiny fibers protruding from the skin, intense itching, the possible appearance of ulcerative lesions ringed by a raised crater rim, and other strange lesions. The fibers have been widely observed to move.


There is no satisfactory treatment, physicians and dermatologists areunfamiliar with this chronic disabling disorder and tend to ignore it. Patients become labeled as having Delusions of Parasitosis, and this psychiatric diagnosis is stuck to the patients by dermatologists who have not examined the skin under magnification, and who have not completed the extensive evaluation necessary to exclude all parasitic skin disorders before making a psychiatric diagnosis.

Pictures of the fibers are provided in the packet and I will direct your attention to the blue fiber with the gold tip. This was removed from a patient. This fiber did not burn until it has been heated to 1700 degrees F. Compare that with hair, which is easily burned producing a characteristic odor and has a cellular structure. The fibers are shed regularly and some grow to long lengths indicating fiber production in the human body. Dr. Janovy has stated of this blue fiber, 'it has no eukaryotic cells, it has no cell membrane, it is not a parasite, it is not biological, it is a machine.' Web article: Gold Nano Anchors Put Nanowires in Their Place is appended. Also included are microphotographs by Dr. Hildegarde Staninger of a blue Morgellons fiber removed from a patient. Note the similarity of structure.

There is evidence that Morgellons disorder(s) is carried by insect vectors, as some type of bug bite frequently precedes the onset of the disorder(s). The agent(s) producing Morgellons are in the sewer systems.

Also included are photomicrographs of very strange skin lesions. Morgellons appears almost biblical in its characteristics…. like something described in Exodus. Dr Randy Wymore of the University of Oklahoma sent fibers to the FBI. No matching fibers were found in the FBI forensic database. A contact in Naval Intelligence has recommended looking into Smart Dust. (Specks in field arrays).

The National Register of Environmental Professionals has assigned a task force to look into environmental causes behind Morgellons Disorder. I ask the Berkeley City Council to request that the University of California devote its considerable intellectual and technical resources to studying these nanofibers and this disease.

Under the wise guidance of Wall Street and insurance companies, American Medicine has fallen into an amazing state of degeneracy. Medical care is unavailable for many, access is limited for most, and research money is frequently unavailable except from major drug companies. Using technical terms, American Medicine is in the toilet. The response of the CDC has been lethargic to the point of being alarming.

A simple electronic microscope such as you see here allows inspection of the skin at 50x to 400x and allows the clinician to document the existence of fibers. Eyeballs at two feet won't do it, and simple equipment like this should be available in the UC Clinics. And, of course, we need methods of treatment. Get Conscious, Help Save Our earth, and Yourself.
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About the Evian Water, I dont remember were I read that, but as soon I find it ,I will post it.

wow kool, thanks for the info..... im definitely gonna read up more on it just out of curiosity.

Many now believe that this is caused by COLLEMBOLA:

link...

At work so can't read the whole thing but just read the top and I agree with PP ..eeww..sounds like heebee jeebees...lol...ill read it later and of course now i want to see pics of the fibers hahaha

The area at the grassy knoll where the shooter was located was huge. Also, there are some who believe that a shot also came from the sewer drain.
The sign you see-if it's still there- from the school book depository towards where the limo passed was moved w/in a few days of the assasination.

I have to say after reading this thread I really want to go and see the grassy knoll too....im going to try to pick up the books mentioned, they sound like a good read.

 

[DisneyBamaFan]

Somehow, that didn't make me feel any better about it. :creepycrawlies:

The difference - it is no longer some nefarious scheme or government experiment gone bad. There are lots of disgusting ailments out there, but they aren't conspiracies.

 

[marie1203]

bolding mine: well its not like if something were true, they are going to come right out and be like oh yeah that is true and move on to dessert. I think theres a lot of things our govt. keeps from other parts of govt, including those that are elite military. Its easier to cover it up.

It does not sounds you been around a bunch of military before. These are close friends not people who I just meet and if they did not say anything I am sure DH would have told me. That the govt. keep a lot of secrets is not something unknown and it should be like that in certain instances. There is many military secrets that for protection of the soldiers need to be keep that way. And yes they have come out and said some of that but to take it as far as to link to some conspiracy no. They laugh because they think they are ridiculous and many times they will give you the run down why it is not true and why it can't be true from their inside perspective. Many people like to use military and military bases in their theories, because it is a easy way for people to believe since they can not access a military base. Also because you are not allowed to take pictures of buildings on base for security reasons. People like to twist the true and make it fit to what they want to believe. I mean there is a whole psychological approach to the these theories.

 

[FergieTCat]

so does any of this mean that looking at the speed and flight of particles could prove or disprove the landing? I have no idea of what you guys are talking about but I am getting flashbacks of junior year of high school. and niot the good parts of jr year.

You and me both!

 

[136368]

UFOs

I must say I believe in UFOs. I believe they are defence prototypes developed out of the public eye. Some background.

The first UFO reports were recorded in World War II, when pilots reported strange lights in the air toying with the aircraft. The pilots even coined a name for them – “foo fighters”. They assumed that they were Nazi technology and all reports were subsequently classified (although they are public now.)

What they were is anyone’s guess.
Surprisingly, during the war the Nazis toyed with – wait for it – disc shaped aircraft.

Interestingly, Nazis also researched into stealth fighter technology – scientifically, they were very far advanced.

They also toyed with the idea of anti-gravity technology in a series of experiments deep under the mountains on the Polish border. Reconnaissance photos first picked up the facility towards the end of the war, picking out the power plant used to supply the facility with energy and an odd structure nicknamed the “Flytrap”.

The Nazi anti-gravity experiments were nicknamed the “Bell” experiments after the shape of central research device. This device was filled with a mercury-like liquid that shone with a violet light when under test. A lot of people died during the testing of this device. The man in charge was one Hans Kammler, a very senior officer in Hitler’s military.

The research was classified as “war decisive” by the Nazi high command – amazing, since not even the atmoic bomb was classed similarly, only the Bell – and was largely destroyed – results and all – as they retreated ahead of the Russians. The Americans seized all technology in the area and initiated a brain-drain on Nazi Germany, a project known as Project Paperclip.

Shortly after the Americans seized the technology, UFO sightings came thick and fast in America.

Kammler, meanwhile, admitted to the whole thing, providing much of the information we have now. Annoyingly, the facility has long since been flooded, making access impossible.

Pity.

 

[mombrontrent]

What about the the theory about the toxic goo that fell in Oakville washington, very intresting!