Conspiracy theory's

[disneylovin24]

Just because the Earth goes through cycles of heating and cooling, it's OK for us to just dump pollutants into the air and water when we can otherwise avoid it?

I don't think anyone here is constituting polluting the earth. I think we are just trying to say that what we have done on this planet is not causing global warming but instead it is a natural process. Personally, I don't think we can really stop it either by stopping all that we do but that does not mean that I encourage people to pollute the earth.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Read about the Georgia Guidestones. Scary Stuff there.

OK, so what's the conspiracy? Some nutjob with a pseudonym and gobs of money hires some company to build a monument in '79. And?

 

[jrmasm]

Yeah, if not where did Flight 77 and its passengers go??

Area 51

 

[disneylovin24]

3000 people die in a few minutes every day. Seeing huge buildings fall leaves a huge impact.


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But 3000 people do not die everyday due to a plane hitting a building. I think 9/11 would have left a huge impact if the buildings fell or not.



Here is my BIG question to those of you who believe the government is covering up the truth about 9/11..... What about Bin Laden? He admitted being behind the attacks and took great pride in it. Was he a person created by the US government? If that is so then the government would have to had been planning it for years considering that Bin Laden had been a public enemy of the US for years. And if he really wasn't behind it why would he just claim to be? Why would he claim to be behind an attack that he did not cause when if the truth about the attack was known the US government which he hated could have crumbled? Think about what would have happened if the US immediately knew that the government was behind 9/11, it would have been exactly what Bin Laden wanted.

 

[pioneer89]

No the ice core records show that the level of co2 FOLLOWS temperature change not the other way round

First, a major correction for you. The ice core studies show that CO2 levels do lag temperature changes. They do not in any way show "not the other way around". This is a common mistake, thinking that by proving A causes B, you have somehow proved that B does not cause A. There is quite a bit of evidence and study which shows that in fact high CO2 can cause higher surface temperatures. Part of the issue centers around the fact that our current CO2 levels are about 133% of the high point over the past 420,000 years per the Vostok samples, and for much longer than that per other studies.


You should be clear that ice core samples only extend back about 800,000 years, and data predating that are from othere methods.

During this time period, and extending back about 20 million years (via geochemical testing), CO2 has been relatively stable at levels below 300 ppmv. CO2 levels before this time were much higher, but the entire atmosphere was different, and plants were different in major ways as well. (Mainly in C3 vs. C4 fixation.) If you want to look at the conditions of earth beyond about 20 million years ago, you have to somehow account for the huge differences in atmoshpere and biosphere. Sure, 300 million years ago the CO2 levels might have been 6000 ppmv, but what does that mean to us today?

The rest of the article you quoted was pretty much random rambling, with points that if taken one-by-one are easily refuted as I have shown, or completely irrelevant to any discussion about the effects of CO2 on climate.

 

[Disney Doll]

Just because the Earth goes through cycles of heating and cooling, it's OK for us to just dump pollutants into the air and water when we can otherwise avoid it?

I don't believe that's what the poster said.
He/she said that the Earth goes through cyclical climate changes.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

3000 people die in a few minutes every day. Seeing huge buildings fall leaves a huge impact.

I disagree. Look what happened after Oklahoma City. 187 people are killed. The building does not collapse. Yet it was still a tragedy.

I don't see how the entire nation would go "meh" after the towers and the Pentagon were hit, along with the fourth plane that was crashed. And the threat of getting caught placing charges is still too big.

Did I day we shouldn't pollute? I absolutely think we should conserve resources and not pollute. My point was the Earth has gone and will continue to go through climate changes.

OK, this is a good point (and somebody else mentioned it, too). I guess my problem is I don't understand what the point would be to fake climate change. The only thing I could think of is scientists came to the wrong conclusion and the "conspiracy" is attempt to not make themselves look dumb.

 

[rie'smom]

But 3000 people do not die everyday due to a plane hitting a building. I think 9/11 would have left a huge impact if the buildings fell or not.



Here is my BIG question to those of you who believe the government is covering up the truth about 9/11..... What about Bin Laden? He admitted being behind the attacks and took great pride in it. Was he a person created by the US government? If that is so then the government would have to had been planning it for years considering that Bin Laden had been a public enemy of the US for years. And if he really wasn't behind it why would he just claim to be? Why would he claim to be behind an attack that he did not cause when if the truth about the attack was known the US government which he hated could have crumbled? Think about what would have happened if the US immediately knew that the government was behind 9/11, it would have been exactly what Bin Laden wanted.

Bin Laden was financed by the US at one time. He was an operative but not an agent of the CIA.

 

[rie'smom]

This is what I want to know!!
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The Atlantic Ocean

 

[disneylovin24]

Bin Laden was financed by the US at one time. He was an operative but not an agent of the CIA.

This is not known for sure. The US financed the Afghan Mujahideens at the end of the 1970s but it is still unclear whether or not they financed the Arab group Bin Laden was apart of.

 

[disneylovin24]

The Atlantic Ocean

So besides sending a missel into the pentagon to kill hundreds the US also purposely crashed a plane into the ocean to kill hundreds to make it look like an act of terror.


Im sorry but at a certain point you can forget facts and just listen to yourself and hear how crazy it all sounds!

 

[pioneer89]

The building core is 47 large steel vertical columns in a space 87 feet by 135 feet. These columns go from the foundation bedrock all the way to the top. Even with the floors collapsing down on each other, it makes no sense that the core just crumbles into nothing.
When buildings are collapsed for new construction, most of this steel is already cut, leaving only a small piece left for the explosives to cut. If this is not done the building will not come down.
I mean at the very least the core would have at least put up a fight and the one tower would not have collapsed into it's own footprint.

I don't think I will post in this thread anymore, it is getting to divided in here. I am going back to the happy threads about Disney now.

You did catch the part about the steel core was weakened by heat to about 15% of it's original strength? This is not a guess, this is from samples taken of he actual core beams from the fire floors.

Everyone would agree that there is some amount of force that would just instantaineously collapse the core beams.

The core beams below the fire area did "put up a fight" as you say, they just lost that fight instantaineously because the kinetic energy of the upper section was at least 10x the energy the beams were designed to withstand. Engineers know the capacity of the beams, physics can show you the kinetic energy of the falling building. There is no guessing involved.

Anyway, I really hope you reconsider not posting in this thread any more.

 

[DopeyDame]

3000 people die in a few minutes every day. Seeing huge buildings fall leaves a huge impact.

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But WHY???? A huge impact for what? What was the goal of the US government that day in this 9/11 conspiracy plot?

As for climate change, I really have no idea. Climetology is HARD to predict. Science is generally AOK with uncertainty and ambivilance - all of the best scientists in history have eventually been proven wrong. that's just part of the process. Unfortunately, the public and policy makers aren't OK with an answer of "this is how we think the models look and this is our best guess now, but as we get more data and understand things better we'll be able to give you a better guess." It's unfortunate that some scientists themselves have far overstated their case (in both directions) causing conspiracy and dishonesty to enter what really is a normal part of the scientific process.

I, personally, think we should limit pollutants for all sorts of reasons, but that's not really what this thread is about...

 

[derricksonb]

I love Conspiracy Theories. I especially love the sound they make as they go whizzing by.

"Political dissension is doubtless a less evil than the lethargy of despotism: but still it is a great evil, and it would be as worthy the efforts of the patriot as of the philosopher, to exclude it's influence if possible, from social life. The good are rare enough at best. There is no reason to subdivide them by artificial lines. But whether we shall ever be able so far to perfect the principles of society as that political opinions shall, in it's intercourse, be as inoffensive as those of philosophy, mechanics, or any other, may well be doubted." Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Pinckney, 29 May 1797

How about Plum Island? I don't believe anything to do with that one at all and that's due to the fact that I have had quite a few family members work there. It's just another one out there that people here might have opinions on.

Plum Island is interesting to me given it's relative proximity to where the Montauk Monster washed up on shore during the Summer of 2008. It's already common knowledge that the US Military uses animals for testing purposes (See also "Monkey House Reston, VA"), so I do not find it completely out of the realm of possibilities that they would also use animals for the purposes of conducting experiments in genetic manipulation.

I believe there had to be more to the Kennedy assassination and I'm skeptical of Area 51...

I have never subscribed to the Magic Bullet theory as presented by the Warren Commission. Kennedy was against involvement in Vietnam and war equates to a substantial amount of tax dollars flowing into the DoD, various agencies and billions of dollars being fast tracked towards military contracts.

Why couldn't it have been part of Bin Laden's plan to have people take other bombs in there but we never knew about it?

That's actually an very interesting question. Suicide bombers with backpacks or briefcases with concealed explosives in the WTC towers on the day of the attacks would have been a a grwat tactical backup plan. Given the number of buinessmen and ordinary people who frequented the buildings they probably would not have been viewed as out of the ordinary or caused much suspicion.

I don't but into that one, but it is an interesting twist. Instead I believe the "explosions" on the lower floors are nothing more than increasing air pressure caused by the collapsing floors above blowing out at the weakest point of escape.

Area 51

Given the path of Flight 77 the most likely place for the plane to have landed was nearby Reagan International Airport. However I have friends who worked at the Pentagon, who were in the parking lot and personally witnessed the plane hit the exterior.

 

[crashbb]

I have a question for those who believe in a conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination.

Is it that you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't actually fire the shot that killed JFK, or is it that you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald did kill JFK, but was acting on behalf of others?

 

[derricksonb]

I have a question for those who believe in a conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination.

Is it that you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't actually fire the shot that killed JFK, or is it that you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald did kill JFK, but was acting on behalf of others?

My personal belief is that Lee Harvey Oswald was most likely involved in the assassination and very likely fired the second shot that hit Kennedy's neck along with Governor Connellys back and wrist when comparing the trajectory of the shot to the location of the motorcade in footage from the Zapruder film. However, I have a hard time believeing that the fatal head shot came from behind. The entire back of his skull blew out which tells me that it was most likely an exit wound.

 

[rie'smom]

So besides sending a missel into the pentagon to kill hundreds the US also purposely crashed a plane into the ocean to kill hundreds to make it look like an act of terror.


Im sorry but at a certain point you can forget facts and just listen to yourself and hear how crazy it all sounds!

I'm being respectful of other's opinions and I'd appreciate you being respectful of mine.

But WHY???? A huge impact for what? What was the goal of the US government that day in this 9/11 conspiracy plot?

As for climate change, I really have no idea. Climetology is HARD to predict. Science is generally AOK with uncertainty and ambivilance - all of the best scientists in history have eventually been proven wrong. that's just part of the process. Unfortunately, the public and policy makers aren't OK with an answer of "this is how we think the models look and this is our best guess now, but as we get more data and understand things better we'll be able to give you a better guess." It's unfortunate that some scientists themselves have far overstated their case (in both directions) causing conspiracy and dishonesty to enter what really is a normal part of the scientific process.

I, personally, think we should limit pollutants for all sorts of reasons, but that's not really what this thread is about...

Did it get people's attention? That's the reason.

I have a question for those who believe in a conspiracy surrounding JFK's assassination.

Is it that you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't actually fire the shot that killed JFK, or is it that you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald did kill JFK, but was acting on behalf of others?

As I posted back on page 1 or 2, my dad worked with Jim Garrison on the Clay Shaw trial. While he would not share a lot with us, he did suggest reading Dr Mary's Monkey. Dad said that the book did not cover the whole story but it does explain that Oswald was set up to take the fall and I know that he thinks so. There's a good bit from a woman, Judyth Baker, who had an affair with Oswald. She was a brilliant cancer researcher. There's a video where she explains some of her story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJrCOXNWtdo

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Did anybody mention the Reptilian shapeshifters yet? Or the Reticulians?

You'd be surprised how much of those conspiracy theories end up getting used in The X-Files.

 

[DopeyDame]

Did it get people's attention? That's the reason.

OK, so you have my attention. Now what? What, exactly, is the government doing (or not doing or planing to do or whatever) to which I am supposed to be paying attention?
WHY would they want to kill thousands of their own people? What was their end-game? their goal?

 

[MsPeggySue911]

My personal belief is that Lee Harvey Oswald was most likely involved in the assassination and very likely fired the second shot that hit Kennedy's neck along with Governor Connellys back and wrist when comparing the trajectory of the shot to the location of the motorcade in footage from the Zapruter film. However, I have a hard time believeing that the fatal head shot came from behind. The entire back of his skull blew out which tells me that it was most likely an exit wound.

In the film that shows JFK's head being blown off it is the right side of his head that blows outwards.

Look at the pictures http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/head.htm